Hello,

3 days away from Halloween, I think it’s safe to say that the next version of Messenger Plus! will finally be released in November, and not before we start seeing snow falling from the sky of the old city of Quebec. Beta tests will begin next week and the translation teams will get their due in the middle of the month if everything goes as expected.

In the meantime, you’re invited to take a look at the very first public screenshot of the new software. In my opinion, the new GUI complements the new features and options perfectly. That being said, my own opinion doesn’t matter much here, yours is the one that counts so we’ll be monitoring your reactions very closely once this version is released.

Happy Halloween! it’s candy time again!
This is Halloween, this is Halloween…

Awesome news Patchou! I can't wait to get my hands on that beta version .

awesomess at its best!

I am the shadow on the moon at night
Filling your dreams to the brim with fright

Yayz feed me compiled beta code!

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Originally posted by Patchou
This is Halloween, this is Halloween…

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* Supersonicdarky impatiently waits for beta

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Originally posted by Patchou
Beta tests will begin next week and the translation teams will get their due in the middle of the month if everything goes as expected.

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Looks nice so far, now feed me betas .

All hail king patchou!

I find it funny how everyone that has replied so far is a beta tester =P

In this town we call home
Everyone hail to the pumpkin song

Looks good patchou!

Woot! Nightmare Before Christmas! I love that movie.

Looks nice, btw.

* warmth is excited and can't wait for it...

Hot.
* MeEtc wants now

wow..!*
Looks very nice 

can i have MsgPlusLiveRes.dll =p

Well done Patchou (:

Great News

Very good news Patchou!!! I'll be still waiting to a public release...

cookie hasn't been online in two months on messenger

Very Exciting, it looks nice.

Wow wow wow      It seems I'll get the feature I always wanted with this version.

Good news...

i just hope i can fix my Messenger problem

Looks great Pachy. Can't wait till' the beta, good luck .

I want to be a beta tester .

Btw looks nice, good luck!

Awesome stuff .

Old

* markee runs from the banhammer

Looks nice patchour well done!

Looks Cool

Looks great Patchou, I like the new location of Script Debugging

Keep up the great work, looking forward to the Beta

mmm cant wait for 4.50 but i hate the new windows ]=

That looks really cool, Patchou! Can't wait to try out all the new features!

Love the new windows

Can't wait =D

Excellent news patch. Can't wait to receive the new Beta build.

*Salem stares at his e-mail inbox waiting for the new Beta build*

~Salem

The new window-style fit for Windows Live Messenger 8.1, not 8.5. However, I really like how you can see the script debug output in the script editor!

Good work!

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Originally posted by vikke
really like how you can see the script debug output in the script editor!

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Originally posted by SpunkyLoveMuff

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Originally posted by vikke
really like how you can see the script debug output in the script editor!

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As co-creator I think I should get the BETA before everyone else anyway... Right Patch?

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Looks kewl i guess, gl testers and stuff.

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Originally posted by vikke
Stop begging for betas, we all want them.

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Originally posted by Patchou
and not before we start seeing snow falling from the sky of the old city of Quebec.

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Looks great, cant wait for the other new thngs at Plus!

;D
YEAH.. damn cool.. can't wait for it to be released.

Looks great!

Patchou, you know what I want

Ooh ehh ehh almost forgot: Trick or Treat!!!

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Originally posted by Voldemort
cookie hasn't been online in two months on messenger

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The new interface looks nice, though I prefer the one we have now much much more. By the way, shouldn't it look more 8.5'ish? It reminds me of 8.0/8.1 more...

wow, this looks great , great work patchy

though theres one thing I'm wondering about, will there be a registry setting to change the default action of clicking the script errors? (for people who use a different script editor)
eg to call a command line like

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I hope Patchou listen to me and bring the option of show the status of your contacts in the cleaner windows... ... (that was the only dissapointing thing I saw in the screenshot)

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=77...d=856013#pid856013

and my big suggestion of forum bug reports help

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=70...d=772549#pid772549

No because if you look at the screenshot the debugging window is built into the Script Editor... only downfall of that is you now need to close it to be able to save the file then reopen the debugger.

Looks awesome.

Nice work, Patchou.
Could it be that the buttons will yet be customized, as the current screenshot you gave, has still MPL 4.2x-style buttons...?

Regards

I really think this looks great. I wonder what surprises Patchou has waiting for us.

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Originally posted by warmth
I hope Patchou listen to me and bring the option of show the status of your contacts in the cleaner windows... ... (that was the only dissapointing thing I saw in the screenshot)

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=77...d=856013#pid856013

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Originally posted by warmth
I hope Patchou listen to me and bring the option of show the status of your contacts in the cleaner windows... ... (that was the only dissapointing thing I saw in the screenshot)

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=77...d=856013#pid856013

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Tbh, i still don't get the point of having the contacts status displayed in the contact cleaner window

~Salem

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Think it wouldnt be really important to see the status in the cleaner window.

Why not? It won't get in the way, and might be useful to some.

lol cool. the debugger is attached to the script window

i wonder if we could edit multiple scripts now...

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Originally posted by .Lou
Awesome news Patchou! I can't wait to get my hands on that beta version .

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Nice work, Patchou.
Could it be that the buttons will yet be customized, as the current screenshot you gave, has still MPL 4.2x-style buttons...?

Regards

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Originally posted by mynetx
Nice work, Patchou.
Could it be that the buttons will yet be customized, as the current screenshot you gave, has still MPL 4.2x-style buttons...?

Regards

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If I understood you right, you want to customize the Plus! interface. It's already possible.

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Originally posted by vikke
I think he wants the designers to redesign the buttons default-style, so they look different from the current version in all windows.

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Originally posted by Jimbodude

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Originally posted by vikke
I think he wants the designers to redesign the buttons default-style, so they look different from the current version in all windows.

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Couldnt you change this with reshakcer or something?
And lol, i thought you were patchou at first nice av

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Originally posted by Jimbodude

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Originally posted by vikke
I think he wants the designers to redesign the buttons default-style, so they look different from the current version in all windows.

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Couldnt you change this with reshakcer or something?
And lol, i thought you were patchou at first nice av

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Originally posted by vikke
I'm not sure if you can use Reshacker, since the buttons doesn't have to be images.

Edit: Avatar removed.

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No because if you look at the screenshot the debugging window is built into the Script Editor... only downfall of that is you now need to close it to be able to save the file then reopen the debugger.

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Hey Patch, this is looking good.

I am looking forward to testing the beta.

Et merci d'avoir intégré le déboggeur dans la fenètre de l'éditeur, très sympa.

Aww i wish i was a beta tester

It looks very nice - but does look more 8.0/8.1ish lol

Well done.

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Originally posted by warmth
If you wanna talk to people direct from there with the send message buttom maybe would be very useful to know their status... don't you think???

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Originally posted by markee

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Originally posted by warmth
If you wanna talk to people direct from there with the send message buttom maybe would be very useful to know their status... don't you think???

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It would be silly to be implemented because the window doen't continuously update and the status of your contact can easily change while you are looking at the information.

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Originally posted by Sunshine
I know. He's been very busy at work...yep I contacted him... I miss him

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looks sweet patch , good work

Makes me want to be a Beta Tester =(
Looks sweet, especially the "Clean up"

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Originally posted by warmth
If you wanna talk to people direct from there with the send message buttom maybe would be very useful to know their status... don't you think???

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It would be silly to be implemented because the window doen't continuously update and the status of your contact can easily change while you are looking at the information.

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maybe a refresh button will solve it... look at the contact info card in the patchou's screenshot !!!

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Beta for my tummy.

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Originally posted by Salem

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Originally posted by warmth
I hope Patchou listen to me and bring the option of show the status of your contacts in the cleaner windows... ... (that was the only dissapointing thing I saw in the screenshot)

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=77...d=856013#pid856013

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Tbh, i still don't get the point of having the contacts status displayed in the contact cleaner window

~Salem

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If you wanna talk to people direct from there with the send message buttom maybe would be very useful to know their status... don't you think???

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Originally posted by markee
It would be silly to be implemented because the window doen't continuously update and the status of your contact can easily change while you are looking at the information.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns I would think it will update the last situation about contacts, I mean I would think it will change for instance "Has You" part, "Yes to No" or "No to Yes",  because that window's main purpose is Cleaning contact list, not starting conversation with people and we already use Contact List for that purpose.

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Originally posted by SalemI honestly don't think so, i mean if you're using the Contacts Cleaner you are wanting to remove people from you contact list, not chat to them. Although that's my opinion.

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Well you could always implement the things Warmth is talking about in an "advanced tab" sort of thing. Whoever wants to use it can and whoever doesn't want to be bothered won't see the options.

My take is that anything that makes an action like "opening a chat window with someone from your cleanup list" easier by implementing shortcuts, buttons or links is worth it. There's always someone somewhere that will absolutely love the function.

Great screenshot Patchou. Love the new stuff and good luck coding everything you planned on.

Have fun!

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Originally posted by warmth
I can think LOTS of situations where you can use this info displayed there

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Originally posted by warmth
I can think LOTS of situations where you can use this info displayed there

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So name some...

If you found them and wanted to talk to them, find them on your contact list, which is why it is there. The Contact cleanup window is there to review who you have or have not spoken to recently.

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ALL of those only require minimal effort of looking at the contact list. It is unlikely you would close it after opening the contact cleanup window. I just think it would be pointless. There is no situation that you cannot just quickly glance at the CL and get the status of a contact.

just get the email address... open the contact list... tpye some of the email into the search bar... WTF FOUND THE CONTACT!?!?!?!?!

ffs... your idea just isnt going to be liked dude...

Contact List = look at contacts status/chat/sort/ect
Contact List Clean Up = delete contacts in a mass way with ease

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well is your point of view it... I respect it... but I don't share it... cause I found it very useful to avoid what are you saying...

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Originally posted by warmth
well is your point of view it... I respect it... but I don't share it...

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Originally posted by warmth
...cause I found it very useful to avoid what are you saying...

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No it isn't if you are talking of one contact... but how about 50 contacts???

the suggestion of warmth is valid, I don't think I will add it for this version but still, don't spend pages arguing with what somebody would like to see, everybody has his ideas.

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Originally posted by Patchou
the suggestion of warmth is valid, I don't think I will add it for this version but still, don't spend pages arguing with what somebody would like to see, everybody has his ideas.

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Sounds great! Can't wait ;D

lol i missed this post . (mmm can't wait to test)

looks good.. w8ting to the beta =]

Awesome! Can't wait for final version!

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Originally posted by warmth
3. a friend/partner you removed from your contac list for any reason (either intentionally or by an error), and you wanna talk to him... and you need to know if he is online/busy/etc... [THIS IS WITH THE NEW FEATURE PATCHOU ANNOUNCED IN THE SCREENSHOTS]

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Originally posted by warmth
3. a friend/partner you removed from your contac list for any reason (either intentionally or by an error), and you wanna talk to him... and you need to know if he is online/busy/etc... [THIS IS WITH THE NEW FEATURE PATCHOU ANNOUNCED IN THE SCREENSHOTS]

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If that option is added despite my dislike to it(for more info read The new option in Contact List Clean-Up window), I believe it will make everthing more difficult due to the contacts who we don't have.

warmth, your third reasoning is not valid because that contact is not in your contact list, so Plus! can't know his status. So what will Plus! show for them while displaying others' statuses? There must be a special buddy that doesn't exist in normal Messenger. And that special buddy which noone knows will confuse people's minds.

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lol i missed this post . (mmm can't wait to test)

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Originally posted by warmth
I hope Patchou listen to me and bring the option of show the status of your contacts in the cleaner windows... ... (that was the only dissapointing thing I saw in the screenshot)

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=77...d=856013#pid856013

and my big suggestion of forum bug reports help

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=70...d=772549#pid772549

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I highly agree with the (!PVER) idea, though I do believe it should just be in (!VER) so that it is easier for people to get all the information at once when reporting bugs on the forum.

After looking at the picture of the windows again it makes me wish I was a tester to be able to use that debugger, it would save me so much time looking for the lines, especially when I change the .js file and forget to click in the text box before scrolling

Anyway, I'm sure we'll have a really good quality product coming our way really soon, but some of these little ideas would be really nice too.  If Patchou doesn't do something about listing scripts and their versions then I might try to write a script to do it....

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Originally posted by markee
especially when I change the .js file and forget to click in the text box before scrolling

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Nice! Looking good as always! Good job!

cant wait for the new version, i'm looking on this page every day

Glad to see the interest in Plus! is as strong as ever.

Well done Patchou   

Windows Live Messenger 8.5 final release is out... and MP!L 4.5 is coming... this will be a very good christmas for messenger lovers!!!

UPDATE: UNICODE contact list display name problems are still in the final release of messenger I'm not so happy anymore...

also watching for the update

Well They had better release it soon! Cuz the current version of msgplus doesnt work with WLM 8.5 final. Well at least for me... When I upgraded to WLM 8.5 Final and reinstalled Msgplus's latest version, the songs I was listening to on  WMP didnt appear on WLM although the plugin was on and moreover I couldnt send any files to my friends. I deleted Msgplus and WLM started working properly again.I could see my songs on my personal message and I could send files to my friends again.Is there a solution for this? No1 replied me on forums aswell.

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Well They had better release it soon! Cuz the current version of msgplus doesnt work with WLM 8.5 final. Well at least for me... When I upgraded to WLM 8.5 Final and reinstalled Msgplus's latest version, the songs I was listening to on  WMP didnt appear on WLM although the plugin was on and moreover I couldnt send any files to my friends. I deleted Msgplus and WLM started working properly again.I could see my songs on my personal message and I could send files to my friends again.Is there a solution for this? No1 replied me on forums aswell.

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Yes Ive tried many times. But It didnt work so I had to delete it=[

is working and compatible with WLM 2008 (8.5.1302.1018).

Here's my (!VER):
Windows XP Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600)
Windows Live Messenger 8.5.1018
Messenger Plus! Live 4.23.0.276

In the contrary, the shared folders didn't work in Beta 2, but now with the Final they do re-work

Well I am using Windows Vista Home Premium tho. So the files of WLM are different....

Mine is working fine too (On XP). And I don't think WLM files differ from one OS to another, but looks like there is really a problem with the latest version for you. I believe Patchou will investigate the issue before the release.

WLM files do differ.
Just compare the top right window edges, at the system buttons.

How? Do I have to have two computers, on one of them Windows Vista installed, on the other Windows XP?

No. I'll just fetch some screenshot. Wait a minute

Ok I tried to download and install msgplus again but no result so I sent a screenshot to u guys check this >>>>

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aftermsgplusbm9.jpg
(when I installed plus)
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aftermsgplusbm9.jpg
(deleted plus again)

Both links are the same

as it is seen the song I was listening to didnt appear when I installed msgplus but when I deleted it.It seems to be working well

They?
is the work of a single person: it's         

I am so sorry I am really new to this. I apologize from Patchou too

hi..
when next version is goint to be release ???
im waiting for new  version...
Any one knows... i read a article that says start of november month new version will release...but now today is 10 still i cant see any update after 28th october...[b]

Just be patient. We all wanna have it asap, preferably yesterday, but we all wanna have a working and unbuggy release, don't we?

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hi..
when next version is goint to be release ???
im waiting for new  version...
Any one knows... i read a article that says start of november month new version will release...but now today is 10 still i cant see any update after 28th october...[b]

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AFAIK it's still planned end of this month like thread start says.

oh thats cool! not much left then =P I hope the new version works for me The current version doesnt work. I am really excited

hi every body...
Please any one who knows any  thing about the new version please keep us posted..
There is some question on my mind, i saw the screenshot and i wonder if the thats final, it would be better to have the new look and feel of WLM 8.5 (don't you agree with me) , and another; i want to know if the beta testing begins or yet to ...
so any body has information please share it with us

I think, those windows have already a similar look to WLM 8.5.
So on what must I agree with you? Whatever

Beta testing has begun, still in progress.

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Originally posted by evilkosmoz
hi..
when next version is goint to be release ???
im waiting for new  version...
Any one knows... i read a article that says start of november month new version will release...but now today is 10 still i cant see any update after 28th october...[b]

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Sorry, you'll just have to be patient. It was supposed to be release in the beginning of December, however this has been pushed back a bit.

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Originally posted by MenthiX
AFAIK it's still planned end of this month like thread start says.

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Originally posted by mynetx
No. I'll just fetch some screenshot. Wait a minute

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Originally posted by mynetx

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Originally posted by mynetx
No. I'll just fetch some screenshot. Wait a minute

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Here it is finally:

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well. i can say one thing. .

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Originally posted by mynetx

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Originally posted by mynetx
No. I'll just fetch some screenshot. Wait a minute

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Here it is finally:

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stop teasing us with screen shots lol!!!!!

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Originally posted by mynetx

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Originally posted by mynetx
No. I'll just fetch some screenshot. Wait a minute

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Here it is finally:

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13

That's just due to Windows Vista's theme-ing engine. The WLM icons have actually been ninjaed from Vista's Aero theme anyway.

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Originally posted by mynetx
No. I'll just fetch some screenshot. Wait a minute

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Here it is finally:

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Eventually but

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Originally posted by andrewdodd13

That's just due to Windows Vista's theme-ing engine. The WLM icons have actually been ninjaed from Vista's Aero theme anyway.

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So am I correct now? Do WLM files differ from XP to Vista? Or they're still the same files, but operating system can change some themes in windows?

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Originally posted by Salem
The files are the same (at least as far as i know), it's just that due to the differences between XP and Vista graphics display functionality (the graphics engine) that it looks different.

That's at least how i understand it.

~Salem

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Thanks Salem and Guido, now I can safely say that I meant the same thing like you when I wrote

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And I don't think WLM files differ from one OS to another...

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Cant wait for the new Release would like to see a new Screenshot.
Hope the Betatests and after that the Translations will be over soon!

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Yeah, I believe the binary files are the same, but WLM detects that you are running Vista with Aero and shows you more Vista-ish window buttons, nothing else. Both button styles are probably within WLM, and shown or not automatically

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Cant wait for the new Release would like to see a new Screenshot.
Hope the Betatests and after that the Translations will be over soon!

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Yeah, I believe the binary files are the same, but WLM detects that you are running Vista with Aero and shows you more Vista-ish window buttons, nothing else. Both button styles are probably within WLM, and shown or not automatically

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If you make a program in Visual Basic and run it on Windows 98, it will look "98-ish"; the same for Windows XP (I think you need to make a manifest file though). The caption buttons and other things (I would imaging are drawn by Windows itself using it's own internally stuffs

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Yep, but Windows XP doesn't have Aero buttons internally, right? At least Windows Live Messenger has built in those icons in case it's running on Windows XP, whereas on Windows Vista, it relies on the system's windowstyle functions and graphics.

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Yep, but Windows XP doesn't have Aero buttons internally, right? At least Windows Live Messenger has built in those icons in case it's running on Windows XP, whereas on Windows Vista, it relies on the system's windowstyle functions and graphics.

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Just like the difference between the normal Plus windows drawn by the built-in interface, and the custom ones WLMWebStatus or Web2Live are using.

Also as far as I see on some Vista installed computers, those close, minimize buttons shines overflowly from the original windows frame, I mean the shiny effect crosses the frame of windows when we hover the mouse on them. But on XP, they can't display that effect, only the color of the button changes, that is it. There is no shine effect on XP normally. Can't it be done, or don't they simply want to do it?

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Cant wait for the new Release would like to see a new Screenshot.


me toooooo i would like to see a new Screenshot too,

And guys how's the beta testing donig ?

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There is no shine effect on XP normally. Can't it be done, or don't they simply want to do it?

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Also as far as I see on some Vista installed computers, those close, minimize buttons shines overflowly from the original windows frame, I mean the shiny effect crosses the frame of windows when we hover the mouse on them. But on XP, they can't display that effect, only the color of the button changes, that is it. There is no shine effect on XP normally. Can't it be done, or don't they simply want to do it?

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Just like the difference between the normal Plus windows drawn by the built-in interface, and the custom ones WLMWebStatus or Web2Live are using.

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WLMWebStatus and Web2Live are just websites that generate the status images

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Originally posted by Salem
WLMWebStatus and Web2Live are just websites that generate the status images

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I mean, their settings interfaces inside the client script

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Originally posted by SpunkyLoveMuff
If you make a program in Visual Basic and run it on Windows 98, it will look "98-ish"; the same for Windows XP (I think you need to make a manifest file though). The caption buttons and other things (I would imaging are drawn by Windows itself using it's own internally stuffs

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But how is this related to this thread?

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Ok, let's go back to the topic. There are maximum 15 days left as to Nov 30.

oh it will be released at the end november?

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oh it will be released at the end november?

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oh it will be released at the end november?

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oh it will be released at the end november?

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Well I hope so!!!! Cuz  I wanna use messenger plus so muchhhhhhhh. The current version has some bugs on vista I hope Patchou will fix them at 4.50

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Originally posted by boomy2008
Well I hope so!!!! Cuz  I wanna use messenger plus so muchhhhhhhh. The current version has some bugs on vista I hope Patchou will fix them at 4.50

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Yeah I did Patchou tried to solve it. But it didnt work aswell. I guess He will fix it at 4.50 I cant see what I am listening to or send my files to my friends when I install Messenger Plus I had to delete it

ohhhhhh I remember your case... It's ok...

Hi,

News screenshots on www.msncreative.net. Thanks to Patchou

Some news features like skins for Messenger Plus Live !! Very Good Idea

Note: Patchou lifted the ban against disclosing beta information (of course the leakage of actual software is NOT allowed still) so please stop reporting posts and saying they leak beta information.

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Note: Patchou lifted the ban against disclosing beta information (of course the leakage of actual software is NOT allowed still) so please stop reporting posts and saying they leak beta information.

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God damn, Messenger Plus! Live goes skinning! My god, that's just great! Mess.be already has a post about it!

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Originally posted by Mnjul
Note: Patchou lifted the ban against disclosing beta information (of course the leakage of actual software is NOT allowed still) so please stop reporting posts and saying they leak beta information.

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I have the right to post it.


I received an email of Patchou who accords me to make some screenshots ...

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This means that you can talk about anything you want concerning the software, the skinning documentation and so on. You can take screenshots of Plus!....

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Sunshine's Web - Coming soon: Messenger Plus! Live 4.50

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Sunshine's Web - Coming soon: Messenger Plus! Live 4.50

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nobody cares about the new script editor? snif

Thanks for the nice posts Sunshine and Poska.

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Originally posted by Felu
Noting about the awesome new script editor ?

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Originally posted by Patchou
nobody cares about the new script editor? snif

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Thanks for the nice posts Sunshine and Poska.

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Originally posted by Jimbodude
Nice sunshine, oh i so cant wait for this, i cant wait to see how many skins will be created, im so looking forward to this release

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Nice sunshine, oh i so cant wait for this, i cant wait to see how many skins will be created, im so looking forward to this release

Ooh...skinning!!!


That'll be the coolest feature from Plus! in a while!

When will be the Final Version ready hope soon. Is it right that we have to wait till the first week in December?
I cant wait for it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, that's right..estimated time of release first week of December.

I think you forgot the awesome new features in the Quick Icons menu

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Originally posted by Patchou
nobody cares about the new script editor? snif

Thanks for the nice posts Sunshine and Poska.

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* i stopped develop my own script editor

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Originally posted by Rolando
I think you forgot the awesome new features in the Quick Icons menu

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Glad to see that skining was added.

I was wondering if that was going to be added.

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Originally posted by Patchou
nobody cares about the new script editor? snif

Thanks for the nice posts Sunshine and Poska.

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Originally posted by markee
can we do skinning on the fly through a script now?

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Originally posted by MenthiX

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Originally posted by markee
can we do skinning on the fly through a script now?

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Messenger will have to be restarted for the changes to apply.

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Originally posted by NanaFreak
thats so gay, why cant he just force it =\

or load up the xmls when the window is needed...

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It would be nice if Patchou had toasts skinable on the fly.  I think this would become quite popular with script developers, especially when they have cutomized windows (this would be quite nice with all of the features that the new script window engine has and helping for deelopers).  I just think this would be really nice and makes it easier for toasts to get recognised for the script it belongs to (you could also limit the dimensions of the toasts so they don't get too big and annoying).  I can see why all of the other windows can use this method perfectly and dont need this exception, but toasts are the only windows that are used by both Plus! and scripts then i think this fuctionality would be very good, we don't want dodgy methods being used which don't allow for other toasts or use an unconventional placement (I personally was thinking of making one scrolling from the middle of the top of the screen for one, but I was too lazy to try and write the statements for all of the exceptions).

Sorry for the long post, but I really would like to see this added and surely it can't be that hard to make the exception, even if it is just when scripts generate a toast....

I'm now 1337

markee: Visual features should be left with skinners and functionality should be left to scripters.
The last thing I would want is some annoying script forcing me to view something other than the skin which I have applied.

If we can have fully customized windows in scripts, why can't that functionality be in the toasts that it generates as well?  If he wants to get tricky then we could always write the XML for it and store it in the scripts folder under a specific name so as to avoid read-write errors and things like that.

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Originally posted by Rolando
I think you forgot the awesome new features in the Quick Icons menu

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@markee: That was exactly what I had requested in pid=861505 and the 4 following ones.
Patchou didn't reply.

Is there a way that plus can reduce the mem usage or WLM?

http://www.msgpluslive.net/scripts/view/194-ReduceMEM/

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Originally posted by mynetx
http://www.msgpluslive.net/scripts/view/194-ReduceMEM/

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So prepare guys my time is coming skinning will be my feature to explode... as for many of you is scripting... you will see... I can't wait for it...

HI my friends,

First of all i want to say that i can't wait to get my hands on the the new version....

Then I want to know if there is a way to know if your contacts are login in from a computer or from their mobiles because i leave WLM on and go away from my desk so when they log in and then log out and when i come back i open the event viewer but the ((EVENT VIEWER)) does not show that information.

So i wonder if the new release will have this feature, and if not is there a script to do that ?   THANKS IN ADVANCE

I have a few questions in reguards to skinning:

1. What file format will the images we need be in?

2. In the screenshots of Sunshine's skylines skin, the corners of the skin are black, so my question is: Is transparency supported (.png preferably).

3. Will all the parts of WLM be skinable just as if we had 'hacked' the resources ourselves? Will more things be modifiable (contact list colors?)

4. Will the buttons (dashboard, and chat window) be editable?

5. With the skinning engine, is it possible to REMOVE stuff from WLM? Such as the DP container and stuff like that? Not that I'd want to, just using that as an example.

6. Can the skinning engine modify the position of window elements (such as centering, aligning to the right, moving the DP's to the LEFT side of the screen etc?).

My main concern is if the skinning engine will support transparancy however. If we can use .png images that will make me happy. I am looking forward to this release more than ever now ^__^!

Keep up the amazing work Patchou ^_^

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Originally posted by Keikonium
2. In the screenshots of Sunshine's skylines skin, the corners of the skin are black, so my question is: Is transparency supported (.png preferably).

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Originally posted by Keikonium
5. With the skinning engine, is it possible to REMOVE stuff from WLM? Such as the DP container and stuff like that? Not that I'd want to, just using that as an example.

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Originally posted by the sad eye
HI my friends,

First of all i want to say that i can't wait to get my hands on the the new version....

Then I want to know if there is a way to know if your contacts are login in from a computer or from their mobiles because i leave WLM on and go away from my desk so when they log in and then log out and when i come back i open the event viewer but the ((EVENT VIEWER)) does not show that information.

So i wonder if the new release will have this feature, and if not is there a script to do that ?   THANKS IN ADVANCE

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Originally posted by Keikonium
I have a few questions in reguards to skinning:

1. What file format will the images we need be in?

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Originally posted by Keikonium

3. Will all the parts of WLM be skinable just as if we had 'hacked' the resources ourselves? Will more things be modifiable (contact list colors?)

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Originally posted by Keikonium

4. Will the buttons (dashboard, and chat window) be editable?

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Originally posted by Keikonium

6. Can the skinning engine modify the position of window elements (such as centering, aligning to the right, moving the DP's to the LEFT side of the screen etc?).

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This all sounds unbelievable ^_^!
I am excited to give the skinning engine a go.
Thank you very much for your replies SonicSam and djdannyp .

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Originally posted by Keikonium
1. What file format will the images we need be in?

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Originally posted by Keikonium
2. In the screenshots of Sunshine's skylines skin, the corners of the skin are black, so my question is: Is transparency supported (.png preferably).

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Originally posted by Keikonium
3. Will all the parts of WLM be skinable just as if we had 'hacked' the resources ourselves? Will more things be modifiable (contact list colors?)

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Originally posted by Keikonium
4. Will the buttons (dashboard, and chat window) be editable?

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Originally posted by Keikonium
5. With the skinning engine, is it possible to REMOVE stuff from WLM? Such as the DP container and stuff like that? Not that I'd want to, just using that as an example.

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Originally posted by Keikonium
6. Can the skinning engine modify the position of window elements (such as centering, aligning to the right, moving the DP's to the LEFT side of the screen etc?).

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Cookies reducemem script is lighter and is supposed to be better supposedly (I use it and it's good at it's job) It's in the reduceMEM script thread

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Originally posted by Volv
EDIT: I should probably add that skinning Messenger does require some knowledge and a lot of experimentation - it is not a simple drag-and-drop engine or anything like that. The documentation will however help anyone get started.

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Originally posted by Keikonium
I guess I should ask, what is the skinning engine scripted in? Is it XML?

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How does skinning effect memmory usage?  Does it use extra memmory all the time even with a more simple skin or can we actually save memmory by having everything very basic?

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Originally posted by markee
How does skinning effect memmory usage?  Does it use extra memmory all the time even with a more simple skin or can we actually save memmory by having everything very basic?

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I read all this and I can believe is true ... I'm so happy about it... this will be a new challenge for me... mates I wanna now about this new feature affecting the animated gifts and standard wlm emoticons... can you talk to me about that...

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Originally posted by warmth
I read all this and I can believe is true ... I'm so happy about it... this will be a new challenge for me... mates I wanna now about this new feature affecting the animated gifts and standard wlm emoticons... can you talk to me about that...

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You can now select multiple emoticons to put in your custom panel. Not only is it possible to sort the emoticons any way you want inside that panel (select icon and use the Up and Down arrow buttons) but you can also sort the panels how you want them (notice the Up and Down arrow buttons there too).

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Originally posted by warmth
I wanna now about this new feature affecting the animated gifts and standard wlm emoticons

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Sorry sorry... my bad... I didn't specify about what feature I was talking about...

My question are about skinning... if this include replacing of emoticons and animated gifs like the one when WLM is signing in...

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Originally posted by Volv
emoticons look to the local user, it is not possible to make them appear different to other users.

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Originally posted by warmth
My question are about skinning... if this include replacing of emoticons and animated gifs like the one when WLM is signing in...

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Originally posted by Volv
The signing in animation actually isn't an animated gif but a whole bunch of still images

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Originally posted by djdannyp

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Originally posted by the sad eye
HI my friends,

First of all i want to say that i can't wait to get my hands on the the new version....

Then I want to know if there is a way to know if your contacts are login in from a computer or from their mobiles because i leave WLM on and go away from my desk so when they log in and then log out and when i come back i open the event viewer but the ((EVENT VIEWER)) does not show that information.

So i wonder if the new release will have this feature, and if not is there a script to do that ?   THANKS IN ADVANCE

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If you open the event viewer BEFORE you leave your desk then it will track all of the events while you are away from your desk, then when you get back you can scroll back through it and see what has happened

or if it's just for selected contacts you can right click and do "contact information" and it will show all of their movements

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Can't wait for this update. The skinning system with transparency support should finally complete the "Vistaish look" for the messenger.

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Originally posted by Daimaah
Can't wait for this update. The skinning system with transparency support should finally complete the "Vistaish look" for the messenger.

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I'm not sure there's still time to ask for any features but I just thought of one I would love:

Make contacts nicknames accessible to scripts.

Thanks

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Originally posted by Deco
Make contacts nicknames accessible to scripts.

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Originally posted by Volv

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Originally posted by Deco
Make contacts nicknames accessible to scripts.

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Contact's nicknames have always been accessible to scripts:
Contact::Name

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hey guys,
how long does it take 'til the new version will be released??

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Originally posted by Sunshine@sunshineweb.org
Excited about this new Plus!Live version already? You have to wait just an itty bit longer as we are finetuning the last bits. Estimated time of release: first week of December.

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bah. I really want to try out this skinning engine : <

Since it's said that snow will fall on Quebec city before the new Plus! be released, I can't wait for that snow, that isn't came yet.

By the way, is patchou from Quebec city, for having said this?

Québec, ville lumière!

Bye

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Originally posted by Quazar_x_
Since it's said that snow will fall on Quebec city before the new Plus! be released, I can't wait for that snow, that isn't came yet.

By the way, is patchou from Quebec city, for having said this?

Québec, ville lumière!

Bye

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no, I live near Montreal, not in Quebec City

Then what is the importance of Quebec for you. Why is it affecting Plus!'s release date?

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
Then what is the importance of Quebec for you. Why is it affecting Plus!'s release date?

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They are awesome

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Originally posted by Eddie

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Then what is the importance of Quebec for you. Why is it affecting Plus!'s release date?

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Does it matter what the point is as long as its released soon-ish? Lol, keep up the good work Patchou and testers, the new features sound awsum thus far.

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Originally posted by Chrono

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Originally posted by Eddie

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
Then what is the importance of Quebec for you. Why is it affecting Plus!'s release date?

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Does it matter what the point is as long as its released soon-ish? Lol, keep up the good work Patchou and testers, the new features sound awsum thus far.

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Yes it does, why doesnt he wait until it rains in switzerland instead?

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Looking great everyone. It's great to see a major update of Plus!Live. Any clues on a final release date?

As was said before, beginning of December. Depends on some internal things still in debugging and coding (color codes etc., without getting too much in there here). Patchou is doing his best

Patchou will release Messenger Plus! Live 4.50 as soon as it rains in the Sahara Dessert, in northern Africa.

hi guys new to this place. ive heard about a newer version of WLM but a bit confused coz ive also been told about a new version of MP!L . not sure which version  i have but i know i have ML+ . so anything differecne it WLM 8.5 or the new MP!L?


looks like form what i see about the the new MP!L has a version 4.5 how do i find out which version i have isntalled

Plus > About Messenger Plus

Help > About.. there you can see.

For Plus!'s version, Plus! > about.

Also, don't look for the new MsgPlus! Live 4.50 on the internet if you saw an older version number because it has not been released yet.

As using the latest version of MsgPlus! is always recommended, if you suspect you are using an older version, type /checkupdates in a conversation window and send it, it will notify you if there is a newer version. (This command works only on a computer that MsgPlus! has been installed provided that Plus! commands are enabled in its Preferences.)

Right... I checked the previews... I absolutely love the skinning ability, pure awesomeness. It's nice to see that Plus will make it easier to skin and allow more customization too.


BUT I think something can still be added to this new release... It seems like the option to change the Quick Icon shortcut will never be back... Sigh...

Please, Patchou, consider an option to change the Quick Icon shortcut to a more unused key... or even a ctrl+/alt+ shortcut...

Yeah, I know I can just type something after the ( to prevent the quick icons panel, but I am not that quick most of the time... Changing the delay time (if possible via registry) is not a good option either, since it will also delay the time the panel appears. Also, I still want to see my default WLM emoticon panel.

I have requested this many times, but nobody seems to care about my feedbacks. This option existed in the version 3 era and I doubt if it'll take that much time to implement. Please put it back!!!

Poom, you don't have to be quick for typing something after ( because even if the panel was displayed, when you type any other thing, it closes again. You have to just continue typing!

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
what is the importance of Quebec for you. Why is it affecting Plus!'s release date?

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More snow = more coding!!!

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
Poom, you don't have to be quick for typing something after ( because even if the panel was displayed, when you type any other thing, it closes again. You have to just continue typing!

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