Is Australia, the best country? And why is it/isnt it?

On what basis would you consider a country to be the "best" country ?

Oppinion. Iunno, the people, the country side. Whatever you like/look for in a country.

I wonder if the plus! meeting thread brought on this sudden rush of patriotism?

Aussie Aussie Aussie .........

Australia is a great country.


but It will go downhill if Discrate becomes PM, Don't vote Discrate!

* High Speed Chaser speeds off into the distance with lights and sirens

Vote Mattisdada instead!!

Oh and i havent seen this Plus! Meeting thread...

It's too hot there, England ftw.

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It's too hot there, England ftw.

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Vote Mattisdada instead

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It's too hot there, England ftw.

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You have not been to Tasmania.

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Vote Mattisdada instead

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How about ..... No!

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It's too hot there, England ftw.

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Does Discrate love australia discreetly?

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I wonder if the plus! meeting thread brought on this sudden rush of patriotism?

Aussie Aussie Aussie .........

Australia is a great country.


but It will go downhill if Discrate becomes PM, Don't vote Discrate!

* High Speed Chaser speeds off into the distance with lights and sirens

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Ooo, Australia was winn 5 to 2. But now its even! 5 to 5(2 not knowing anything about it)

*Mattisdada shoots Descrate.

VOTE FOR ME, YOUR  SAVOUIR!

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Australia sucks.. Much better places.

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Damn true, perth sucks, MELB FTW!!!!

Oh and i just read the No Plus 2007 Meeting thread.... i now know why that user said that.

I made this thread cuase i noticed alot of people from Australia . And i think Australia is a beautifull country with great friendly people. And we are mates with the US and the UK.

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but It will go downhill if Discrate becomes PM, Don't vote Discrate!

* High Speed Chaser speeds off into the distance with lights and sirens

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Yes vote for me or die. simple.

Ill remember  this, if i ever do get to be pm i will accidently change your records. So it will say this

Original country: south africa
Visa: expired.

Bye bye HSC.

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but It will go downhill if Discrate becomes PM, Don't vote Discrate!

* High Speed Chaser speeds off into the distance with lights and sirens

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Yes vote for me or die. simple.

Ill remember  this, if i ever do get to be pm i will accidently change your records. So it will say this

Original country: south africa
Visa: expired.

Bye bye HSC.

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I don't have a South African background but what I do have is an Australian birth certificate and the protection of the Constitution from the likes of you . That's what makes this great Country great.

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I know you dont have a south african background, what i am saying is that i will change your records so it says you do And you will be fined for that fake australian birth certificate

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Ill vouch for the unenthucity

BECAUSE ITS RACIST. no seriously... we're a pretty racist country compared against the UK and shit

Preety much, and yes its a word but i dont know how to spell it. Its when your not authentic.

azn_angle..... no i dont think were racist.... im not. But yeah i do know alot fo really racist australians, i also know alot of really racist amerkians(hehe), and alot of racist chinise....

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BECAUSE ITS RACIST. no seriously... we're a pretty racist country compared against the UK and shit

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Melbourne=3rd largest population of greeks. Theres a few other groups like that but i cant remember....

And yeah... Australians dont seem to be the most serious people all the time....

Thats why Ch10 has to say "seriously" all the time... or they think we might think that they were thinking of joking... very complicated matter.

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BECAUSE ITS RACIST. no seriously... we're a pretty racist country compared against the UK and shit

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You mean stuff like the 2005 Cronulla riots. Lots of countries have racism problems but as Australia is a multi cultural society now I don't know where I'm going with this so I will just guess, and I reckon a huge percentage of the population are not racist. But there is always going to be a bad group in the general population.

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Racist is the worlds middle name....

these days if you say "bob your skin is black" you get called racist.

I'm racist.

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I'm racist.

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I am noy racist myself,but heres an idea for everyone. Whats wrong with being racist? If you dont like someone becuase they are black well thats your opinion. You have a right to have your own opinion.

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I'm racist.

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I am noy racist myself,but heres an idea for everyone. Whats wrong with being racist? If you dont like someone becuase they are black well thats your opinion. You have a right to have your own opinion.

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My opinion is because they didn't choose there race, why should they be discriminated for something they didn't choose. Calling someone black is just like singling them out and saying I'm superior. 

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It obviously does if they have a different skin colour

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It obviously does if they have a different skin colour

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It obviously does if they have a different skin colour

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It obviously does if they have a different skin colour

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shh you. But just becuaseyou point out there skin colour doesnt mean there racist. Seriously this world is just fucked. We are all going to hell.

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Cool country, great weather, but the people can be hypercritical a lot and also they take the piss out of england which i dont like bt hey, nothing can be done, good place i guess tho

Discrate sucks for spamming in a GCC thread.
don't like the heat, cold england anyday kthx.

Singling out someone is terriable. For example. (This example would undoubtly happen to at least a few in these forums) Meatheads often call nerds, nerds. Now theres nothing wrong with that(Ask em whats wrong with it and they can never say... )but there signilling you out, and it doesnt feel great.

And rascisim is SOOO stupid. You dislike someone, as a person, because of there skin color. An atribute that effects nothing else(Except the colen in your skin(Colen is what makes it black/white(lack of)))

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I've had racial comments hsouted at me... and guess what? I'm white... It's not a one-way street
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Aussie Aussie Aussie .........

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dunno how nobody caught that yet

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We have now.

Now onto better things... like tacos...

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But Taco's are a delicious treat, whatever  country your from

And did Taco bell exsist in the AU? Never seen one....

PS rav0. I see you have an Opera sign in your signiture, i see that your also a supporter of Opera!

Opera! FTW(Email me if you want a pwnage Opera theme that i havent distributed yet )

I dont like the poll options, I don't think Australia is the best country, but I don't think there are places which are much better...

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I dont like the poll options, I don't think Australia is the best country, but I don't think there are places which are much better...

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Discrate sucks for spamming in a GCC thread.
don't like the heat, cold england anyday kthx.

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How does that work? you dont think australia is the best country and you dont think there are better places. You must have 1 country you think is the best.

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How does that work? you dont think australia is the best country and you dont think there are better places. You must have 1 country you think is the best.

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The second option reads, "No.... there are places much better". I simply believe that there are better places, but not places that are 'much better'.

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You're all city slickers.

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Dude, im a country person. I dont live in the city.

I live in Victoria, Colac.

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But Taco's are a delicious treat, whatever  country your from

And did Taco bell exsist in the AU? Never seen one....

PS rav0. I see you have an Opera sign in your signiture, i see that your also a supporter of Opera!

Opera! FTW(Email me if you want a pwnage Opera theme that i havent distributed yet )

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Well i obviously think Australia is the best country, or one of the best countries in the world. But my subjective opinion doesn't mean much as i live there...

so i figured some nice Human Development Index figures would back up my claim a bit more strongly :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by..._Development_Index

Australia is 3rd in the world by this index for living standards. So if you are living in iceland or norway on average you are better off! So yes, Australia is one of the best countries in the world

We are owning UK and if you live in America.. well sorry you are going backwards - thank your awesome president for that .

Go Chesatah, nicely played

Australians aren't racist in general. We just have enough ticker to cop any political incorrectness on the chin where many other people bitch and moan about it seeing as the rest of the world is becoming ridiculously politically correct.

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sif australia is racist. 50% of us are from overseas. The aussies at cronulla were pissed off with the lebos and other races becuase they were attacking people ect. Then one day, a lebo woman was drowning so the life guard goes and saves her, then what happends, they get bashed. So everyone had enough so they had a protest which turned into a riot. It wasnt just the aussies. many lebos got in cars from other cities and came down. They had a part in it as well. The word racist is used to much these days.

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and tbh, i am fucking sick of white australians saying gtfo of OUR country. White people are not the original inhabitants of this country, they basically stole it.

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and tbh, i am fucking sick of white australians saying gtfo of OUR country. White people are not the original inhabitants of this country, they basically stole it.

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I hear what you're saying, but what happened in Australia is actually quite different than what happened in most other countries. For starters there wasn't even a war (fair or not) to begin with.
(I noticed you quoted 'war' though, but still...) OK, there were settlements and all, but the penal collony and the later goldrush made that its history is somewhat different and can't be compared as such to other "new found lands".

Even the fact that most stuff happened around the 1900s, a time when you would think people would have learned one or two things from the past (eg: history about the America's and Indian people, etc) makes it a bit unique.

Not to mention that it was only after the second world war that the second extremely massive immigration began, which was conducted by their own goverment, which would lead to overpopulation in some areas and many of the disputes about land rights.

On top of this there was a "only white people can immigrate" policy up till the '70s, and together with other (racist) rules lead to fear of other races and a common racism in Australia, which is still present up to today in many people (liking it or not).

Let alone that still up to this day, the indigious inhabitants are being tricked and land is still being stolen from them, despite land right acts (which where made way too late to begin with)... Not to mention that economy is still dictating what land owners (or rather, those who did owned the land but were bought out) get (or rather not get), which is something you'll only see happening in 3rd world countries anymore...

Anyways, a lot has been done about this, and you would know the history of your own country better than I do, but it is still somewhat questionable (from the POV of an outsider) that all such stuff can happen in such modern times. But the main point of azn angel was, I think, that there are still a lot of white Austrialans who are completely oblivious to most of those facts and still do as if they "own" Australia and have every right to claim whatever land they want and calling the original inhabitants immigrants, while in fact it is them who are the immigrants. If this is because the history thought in school maybe only extents to the "white" history, I dunno, but still...

to make it clear: i do not think all Australians are racists though. far from it actually!!! The ones I know are actualy very anti-racism.
I wonder what SH thinks of this, if she reads this

EDIT: PS - very impressive knowledge of Australian History cookie

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Anyways, a lot has been done about this, but it is still somewhat questionable (from the POV of an outsider). But the main point of azn angel was, I think, that there are a lot of white Austrialans who are completely oblivious to those facts and still do as if they "own" Australia and have every right to claim whatever land they want and calling the original inhabitants immigrants.

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I hear what you're saying, but what happened in Australia is actually quite different than what happened in most other countries. For starters there wasn't even a war (fair or not) to begin with.
(I noticed you quoted 'war' though, but still...)

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Even the fact that most stuff happened around the 1900s, a time when you would think people would have learned one or two things from the past

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Let alone that still up to this day, the indigious inhabitants are still being tricked and land is still being stolen from them, despite land right acts (which where made far too late to begin with)... Not to mention that economy is still dictating what land owners (or rather, those who did owned the land but were bought out) get (or rather not get), which is something you'll only see happening in 3rd world countries anymore...

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I'm sorry but that is completely wrong. Land is not being stolen from Aboriginals today. It may have been stolen in the past from the Aboriginals who rightfully owned it but i highly doubt land is being stolen from Aboriginals to this day that rightfully own the land.

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I'm sorry but that is completely wrong. Land is not being stolen from Aboriginals today. It may have been stolen in the past from the Aboriginals who rightfully owned it but i highly doubt land is being stolen from Aboriginals to this day that rightfully own the land.

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Unfortunatly I can't quote the source atm, but last year I came across a reportage from UK journalists (BBC?) which claimed otherwise. That despite the fact that some tribe had land rights, they still were being "tricked" by a big ass company and gained absolutely nothing for letting them mining their land. (I think it was somewhere in northern Arnhem Land, but don't quote me on this).

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unfortunately from the experiences i've had with Aboriginals near my home town (and these are where the unfortunate stereotypes come from...) are ones of deceit, criminal in nature, where they hide behind their race and skin colour saying anyone who says that they did something wrong is racist. =/

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If this is because the history thought in school maybe only extents to the "white" history, I dunno, but still...

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35 degrees in my bedroom this morning Woke up and could barely move Stupid aircon not working even though we have had it fixed 3 times in the last 2 months. Bloody aussie heat

Cookie, I realise our past is quite questionable, but many other countries around the world enforced racist immigration policy around those times as well.

And I would be happy to give land back to aboriginals if they would use it for historical purposes, but it's not going to happen.  I used to live near a town of aboriginals and it was quite astonishing how bad things can be (I don't think this is the place to be telling any of the stories).  I realise there is some good in these communities, but with the 'reverse racism' and them punishing "white" people (or calling for punishment) over ANY incident involving an aboriginal, that is where I have a problem.  Palm Island's death in custody inquiry is a prim example of the political correctness that is ruining us, if Cameron was white then there would have been nothing really said about it (and yes his name was cameron before his death, after that the media started calling him by his aboriginal name).

Racism from white people still exists, but it normally comes from the people who have to deal with aboriginals the most, it changes their perspective on them negatively unfortunately.  Unline Europeans, Aboriginals haven't had alcohol over the vast number of generations, so they are not used to it, when they do have it it effects them much quicker than normal and hence leads to problems.  Plus they start to expect society to pay for them to survive because they apparently have it hard.  At the moment they get paid an allowance by the government and get extra funding at school, just for being aboriginal.  This money mosty gets wasted on booze (or metholated spirits), paint and petrol from my experience.

I realise you'll try to tell me that I'm beingvery steroetypical, but when you see the places and hear a few stories from you parents about what was happening, then you do believe the unfortunate trueth.  The only way I believe these things can be changed is with a long term approach to build up their sense of community and respect for authoity and self through their own people, but our government only wants quick fixes because they need to get re-elected next time.

phillip need to move south
australia rocks we're coming third on this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index but we're failing on this listhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_Internet_access_worldwide lol

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Put them together with the racists and let them kill eachother (Smilie) (I didn't meant that... hmmm, maybe I do (Smilie) .... nah....)

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Bloody aussie heat (Smilie)

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We are taught a large deal (in my state of NSW at least) about the Aboriginal peoples including their culture and religion (even from primary, that is 'elementary', school), as well as history involving the acts of Europeans (Settlement, murdering/hunting, Stolen Generations) and it is often taught in an unbiased manner, perhaps even weighted towards the Aboriginal point of view (at least in my schooling experiences).

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God Kevin Rudd... can't believe Australia voted him in =/... hes the worst thing about Australia at the moment

And as for saying sorry.. i agree with Howard... we weren't the ones that caused/did the stolen generation - we have nothing to say sorry about personally ourselves. We can be sorry for the situations that happened in the past but i think it would be hypocritical to say sorry for something we didn't cause and i think even the Aboriginals wouldn't really appreciate it cause they'd know it would be purely a political stunt.

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And I do believe he will finally say sorry on behalf of Australia for the stolen generation, which is very much needed for us to move forward in these issues.

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God Kevin Rudd... can't believe Australia voted him in =/... hes the worst thing about Australia at the moment

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I dont think we should be saying sorry, we didn't do it. go find the people who made the choices to do it, and force them to say sorry.

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God Kevin Rudd... can't believe Australia voted him in =/... hes the worst thing about Australia at the moment

And as for saying sorry.. i agree with Howard... we weren't the ones that caused/did the stolen generation - we have nothing to say sorry about personally ourselves. We can be sorry for the situations that happened in the past but i think it would be hypocritical to say sorry for something we didn't cause and i think even the Aboriginals wouldn't really appreciate it cause they'd know it would be purely a political stunt.

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ok A) Do you know anyone PERSONALLY that has been disadvantaged by these laws?

B) Have you read the legislation in its entirety?

C) Do you do understand economics and/or law?

If you can't establish these 3 things please go and do them before making a comment on Howard's IR reforms.

The fairness test was a very good test for ensuring the balance between flexibility and fairness between employers and employees. As you can see with our amazingly low unemployment rates the new IR reforms have worked nicely . Not looking forward to Rudd's roll back (which generally seems to be the labor government's policy when its not copying Howard...) which will most likely increase unemployment .

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The IR laws were good to a few people,like the mining industry but to the minority it was bad. Are you telling me that firing a woker and then offering there job back with lower pay is good? Are you telling me taking away a workers holidays ect and making them work longer for less pay is good?

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The fairness test was not part of the original legislation that was enforced.  It only came around because the election was closing in and Howards polls were looking terrible.  Therefore the fairness test counts for nothing when you are doing pro and cons.

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The fairness test was not part of the original legislation that was enforced.  It only came around because the election was closing in and Howards polls were looking terrible.  Therefore the fairness test counts for nothing when you are doing pro and cons.

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The fairness test was not part of the original legislation that was enforced.  It only came around because the election was closing in and Howards polls were looking terrible.  Therefore the fairness test counts for nothing when you are doing pro and cons.

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I think liberal should have won but howard lose his seat.
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I think liberal should have won but howard lose his seat.
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I think liberal should have won but howard lose his seat.
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Oppinion. Iunno, the people, the country side. Whatever you like/look for in a country.

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Thats why Ch10 has to say "seriously" all the time... or they think we might think that they were thinking of joking... very complicated matter.

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and tbh, i am fucking sick of white australians saying gtfo of OUR country. White people are not the original inhabitants of this country, they basically stole it. we are SUPPOSED to be a multi-cultural society but i am not seeing that happen =/

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...but last year I came across a reportage from UK journalists (BBC?) which claimed otherwise. That despite the fact that some tribe had land rights, they still were being "tricked" by a big ass company and gained absolutely nothing for letting them mining their land. (I think it was somewhere in northern Arnhem Land, but don't quote me on this).

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and tbh, i am fucking sick of white australians saying gtfo of OUR country. White people are not the original inhabitants of this country, they basically stole it. we are SUPPOSED to be a multi-cultural society but i am not seeing that happen =/

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What's happening here is that people are coming into this country without respecting it's laws. If a law is wrong, you can follow the proper channels to have it changed. Until that happens, you damn well follow that law.

Gtfoooc is usually invoked when migrants have no respect for the country that they are moving to. Which is not to say that it can't be misused by stupid people, but it's not a bad thing in itself.

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With regards the IR laws (this is becoming an interesting thread!)

The fairness test:

The best fairness test is the employee. Why not let them decide if they would like to give up benefit X for reward Y? That's what the old system was.

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With regards the IR laws (this is becoming an interesting thread!)

The fairness test:

The best fairness test is the employee. Why not let them decide if they would like to give up benefit X for reward Y? That's what the old system was.

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I disagree with the employee "fairness test". How can something be fair if its decided by one of the two parties which obviously has a bias towards decisions benefiting themselves? There has to be a "test" or at least an approach to deciding whats fair - the IR system has to be fair on both employers and employees offering both incentives for employers to employ workers and offering employees some flexibility in the process as well.

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It has to be made by both people concerned, and both people will have an interest in benefiting themselves. They should be able to decide what's fair on their own, however an external review can help employees recieve more consideration.

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Verte, under the old system employees were not allowed to give up certain benefits for other rewards.

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hmm a few different points here...

First of all; the racism towards Aboriginals. Yes, they cop it. Their race was thrown big time off track when the poms and convicts came to Australia. Since then they have had major societal problems. The thing is that our generation of non-Aboriginal Australians are not committing any wrongdoing against them, but their culture has been thrown so far off that many of them are giving the rest a bad name. It's a tough chain to be in.

Being Australian is as much something in your heart as it is something on your birth certificate or place of living. White Australians are perfectly within their right to call Australia 'our' country in my opinion. You'll find the majority are extremely accepting of the ethnic part of our society.

As for the politics part of the thread.. I am fully in support of Howard for not apologising. I wouldn't apologise. I am sorry it happened, but I have nothing to apologise for.

I still don't understand the "beats Costello" argument. He has been the best Treasurer Australia has seen - why would he not be a good PM? That's all too late now anyway, I hope Rudd struggles to get rid of the IR laws they are doing good things for the country. Of course there will be individual cases that aren't good for the employee, but you have to look at the overall effect. If the employee is good enough they should be able to quit their whinging and find another job.


mid 40 degree days around Christmas and all throughout summer.. I love it!

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Can this be put in GCC?

It's become a more serious discussion than the original "is Australia awesome?" (which belonged in T&T). It'd be nice if this could be kept in the forums (no purge).

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hmm a few different points here...

First of all; the racism towards Aboriginals. Yes, they cop it. Their race was thrown big time off track when the poms and convicts came to Australia. Since then they have had major societal problems. The thing is that our generation of non-Aboriginal Australians are not committing any wrongdoing against them, but their culture has been thrown so far off that many of them are giving the rest a bad name. It's a tough chain to be in.

Being Australian is as much something in your heart as it is something on your birth certificate or place of living. White Australians are perfectly within their right to call Australia 'our' country in my opinion. You'll find the majority are extremely accepting of the ethnic part of our society.

As for the politics part of the thread.. I am fully in support of Howard for not apologising. I wouldn't apologise. I am sorry it happened, but I have nothing to apologise for.

I still don't understand the "beats Costello" argument. He has been the best Treasurer Australia has seen - why would he not be a good PM? That's all too late now anyway, I hope Rudd struggles to get rid of the IR laws they are doing good things for the country. Of course there will be individual cases that aren't good for the employee, but you have to look at the overall effect. If the employee is good enough they should be able to quit their whinging and find another job.


mid 40 degree days around Christmas and all throughout summer.. I love it!

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With regards the IR laws (this is becoming an interesting thread!)

The fairness test:

The best fairness test is the employee. Why not let them decide if they would like to give up benefit X for reward Y? That's what the old system was.

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I disagree with the employee "fairness test". How can something be fair if its decided by one of the two parties which obviously has a bias towards decisions benefiting themselves? There has to be a "test" or at least an approach to deciding whats fair - the IR system has to be fair on both employers and employees offering both incentives for employers to employ workers and offering employees some flexibility in the process as well.

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It has to be made by both people concerned, and both people will have an interest in benefiting themselves. They should be able to decide what's fair on their own, however an external review can help employees recieve more consideration.

Verte, under the old system employees were not allowed to give up certain benefits for other rewards.

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I am sorry it happened

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That is the whole idea.  Sorry that it happened and a committment that he would not do the same and pledge that he would try to embrace aboriginal culture more for the benifit of maintaining the heritage.

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All they have done is remove choice from workers.

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Also i like your forum nick . Do you watch much cricket ?

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I live cricket pretty much, but the forum nick comes from my actual name not Matthew Hayden as I think you're suggesting

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It's still the same with AWAs you have the alternative to go elsewhere.

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If people are taking up the jobs then it can't be all that bad.

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You'll notice that since AWAs have been introduced the amount of jobs in Australia has risen, which personally I think is a success for the implementation of the legislation.

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we are a country not just an economy

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I'd rather a slightly weaker economy, relatively speaking, with wonderful things like guaranteed awards and a competitive Job market, than a higher GDP with cheaper labor over all.

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I'd rather a slightly weaker economy, relatively speaking, with wonderful things like guaranteed awards and a competitive Job market, than a higher GDP with cheaper labor over all.

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I'd rather a slightly weaker economy, relatively speaking, with wonderful things like guaranteed awards and a competitive Job market, than a higher GDP with cheaper labor over all.

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Perhaps you do, but I'm sure all the people which were previously unable to find a job think otherwise...

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