After looking over the poll results from the 2008 presidential elections, I'm curious to know why those of you who've voted, voted for that canidate.

I originally voted for Huckabee, but after a 7 hour debate today in Nashville with the other FBLA state officers (Future Business Leaders of America), I've changed my vote to Clinton. Looking through the facts about Obama's campaign, he's contridicted himself many times by opposing the war in Iraq, but yet voting to fun billions of dollars. His views on same-sex-marriage are of his faith, and not of actuall legislation. While on the contrary, Clinton has been very straight forward from the get-go 5 years ago. Her statement to America about same-sex-marriage is that it needs to be resolved on local levels rather than by the executive branches. And she wants to re-gain America's trust by the countries that no longer support us.

Time for your views .

I can't vote, but Clinton ftw.

Communist > Democratic

Kidding, my friend told me it was though (although I disagree ;o)

My views are pretty obvious (Hint: look to the left).  Hillary Clinton is by far my candidate of choice, after performing extensive research on the Candidates, she seems to have the most views that I agree with, she doesnt contradict herself, and she's got some great ideas to bring about change and move our country forward.  Barack Obama is in my opinion a fake and is not worthy for my vote, I tend to agree more with Democrats, but if he got selected i'd likely vote Republican just because I disagree with his views so much.   Come February 5th, 2008, My votes with Hillary.

Doesn't Hilary Clinton want to ban video games though, and she won't be able to bring in a decent and logical health care system for you guys because of the agreements Bush signed (see Michael Moore's Sicko)

TBH just someone who's not going to fuck you guys over and really bugger up the rest of the world again.

I heard Ron Paul was a good guy by a fair few internet people

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Doesn't Hilary Clinton want to ban video games though, and she won't be able to bring in a decent and logical health care system for you guys because of the agreements Bush signed (see Michael Moore's Sicko)

TBH just someone who's not going to fuck you guys over and really bugger up the rest of the world again.

I heard Ron Paul was a good guy by a fair few internet people

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Stephen Colbert FTW!

Clinton is the only one settings out real polices at the moment, showing she is organized and voters know what they are voting for. I'm happy whoever wins, as long as they are not Republican!

Who's the one who sounds like Donald Duck?

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I heard Ron Paul was a good guy by a fair few internet people (Smilie)

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I heard Ron Paul was a good guy by a fair few internet people (Smilie)

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He's also against net neutrality, which I don't quite understand why, but he's definitely not getting my vote.

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Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice.

If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it. We checked this out on " snopes.com ". It is factual. Check for yourself.



Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?

When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME

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oh yeah, he's muslim, lets shoot him.... that's why i don't like the US

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oh yeah, he's muslim, lets shoot him.... that's why i don't like the US

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We checked this out on " snopes.com ". It is factual. Check for yourself.

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Anyway, i just hope the college age voters actually get out and vote this year. Might be far fetched, but it'd be nice to actually get them to vote for once.

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i vote for ralph wiggum!
http://www.wiggumforprez08.com/

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i vote for ralph wiggum!
http://www.wiggumforprez08.com/

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We checked this out on " snopes.com ". It is factual. Check for yourself.

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Who Is Barack Obama?

Claim: Illinois senator Barack Obama is a "radical Muslim" who "will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance."

Status: False.



Do these email-forwarding idiots think nobody will actually check Snopes?

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President elections are really overblown compared to elections in other countries I think

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President elections are really overblown compared to elections in other countries I think

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President elections are really overblown compared to elections in other countries I think

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President elections are really overblown compared to elections in other countries I think

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You're adding nothing to this thread. I was simply stating facts, more specifically that he is lieing to the American people. I didn't mention anything about shooting muslims.

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It's all corrupted anyway, companies should not be allowed to buy into or directly influence the law, by whatever means. I'm thinking the big ones here, Fast Food, Health Care etc)

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You're adding nothing to this thread. I was simply stating facts, more specifically that he is lieing to the American people. I didn't mention anything about shooting muslims.

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My views are pretty obvious (Hint: look to the left).  Hillary Clinton is by far my candidate of choice, after performing extensive research on the Candidates, she seems to have the most views that I agree with, she doesnt contradict herself, and she's got some great ideas to bring about change and move our country forward.  Barack Obama is in my opinion a fake and is not worthy for my vote, I tend to agree more with Democrats, but if he got selected i'd likely vote Republican just because I disagree with his views so much.   Come February 5th, 2008, My votes with Hillary.

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After looking over the poll results from the 2008 presidential elections, I'm curious to know why those of you who've voted, voted for that canidate.

I originally voted for Huckabee, but after a 7 hour debate today in Nashville with the other FBLA state officers (Future Business Leaders of America), I've changed my vote to Clinton. Looking through the facts about Obama's campaign, he's contridicted himself many times by opposing the war in Iraq, but yet voting to fun billions of dollars. His views on same-sex-marriage are of his faith, and not of actuall legislation.

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This year, is most highly going to be .. a history breaking year.

First and second place in runnings and standings right now is obama, an african american...(could be wrong?)

and hillary clinton, a white.. haha.. female.

If there are more female activists.. and females in general voting this year, hillary is probably going to take it...

then again... everyone does really want a man in office, not being sexist, because im against that, but its a mans job. there are some jobs in the world that just arent meant for a woman. Yes, we can do just about any job a man can do, but c'mon...

idk. i think this election is going to be a really weird one. im not votin this year. blah blah blah.

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American's keep making the same mistakes... first they re-elect a Bush... now a woman is running... can your economy really withstand that lol

Hillary and George have 2 things in common... they both got bush and will both fail.

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I don't think that voting against going to war and subsequently voting to fund a war in progress contradicting. Not doing so would be like not accepting the facts of reality: the US has started a war and should be obligated to finish is properly.
My country, Denmark, started the war along with the United States and the UK, yet it has withdrawn from it very recently. I don't know who we think we are - forcing someone else to clean up a mess we helped create.

omg, Obama's against gay marriage? That's so silly - he just lost my respect.

I'm voting for the Democrats (preferably Hillary) although I know, as a Texan voter, it will be a complete waste of my time because of the stupid Electoral College system.

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then again... everyone does really want a man in office, not being sexist, because im against that, but its a mans job. there are some jobs in the world that just arent meant for a woman. Yes, we can do just about any job a man can do, but c'mon...

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Actually I think Hillary would be the best democractic nominee for president, especially when it comes to the economy. I personally think she would do wonders to bring our economy back up and get us out of this recession.

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I however, do find it contradicting because Obama made a public statement stating he will not vote to go to war, and publicly stated he will not fund the war. Then going on and voting to fund it, then not to fund it, and then to fund it?

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He has my vote.... him or the black guy.

There exists a Dutch site called StemwijzerUSA ('VoteGuideUSA') where you are shown 25 phrases to which you can click 'Agreed', 'Disagreed' or 'Don't know'. Based on those choices the site will show you which candidate matches you best. It also shows what the various candidates would answer to a phrase.

Based on that test I would vote for John Edwards, although Hillary Clinton would be a good second.

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There exists a Dutch site called StemwijzerUSA ('VoteGuideUSA') where you are shown 25 phrases to which you can click 'Agreed', 'Disagreed' or 'Don't know'. Based on those choices the site will show you which candidate matches you best. It also shows what the various candidates would answer to a phrase.

Based on that test I would vote for John Edwards, although Hillary Clinton would be a good second.

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Based on that test I would vote for John Edwards, although Hillary Clinton would be a good second.

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Hillary is speaking at my school tonight. I'm gonna try my hardest to get in.

ask her some tough question

i did the test, and i got barack obamah and Hillary with the same score

Don't get tased.

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American's keep making the same mistakes...

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These are my results from that test is Hilary then a 4-way time between Guliani, Huckabee, Obama and Thompson.

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Based on that test I would vote for John Edwards, although Hillary Clinton would be a good second.

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You provided insufficient valid answers to the VoteMatch statements. A reliable recommendation cannot be given.

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That test thingy doesn't even list all the candidates. That sucks. The good ones aren't there.

Anyway, here's pictures of Hillary at my school.
each word is a link to a picture.

I got a tie among Clinton, Obama, and Ron Paul...

http://www.electoralcompass.com > that

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Originally posted by RebelSean, via Neowin - The Results of Super Tuesday
Yesterday marked one of the biggest days of the political elections of 2008, Super Tuesday. Twenty-four states held their presidential primaries or caucuses, and the results, in my honest opinion are amazing. There has been quite a few extremely close races between the top-runners for each party. Here's a mini analysis of what has happened yesterday, for the democrats there are 1681 delegates at stake, and for republicans there are 1020 delegates at stake.

Barrack Obama has won Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, and Utah

Hillary Clinton has won Arizona, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Tennessee

New Mexico is the only state left to have a projected winner, but I feel that Clinton can make a come back. She's only down a little over a thousand. Even though Obama has won many states, Clinton is still in the lead with the most delegates. Clinton has 811 pledged delegates, and Obama has 639.


The race for the democratic nomination is going to be very tough within the coming months. The District of Columbia, Florida, Louisiana, Maryland, Nebraska, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin all have yet to hold their primaries and caucuses. Those are going to be the key states that will decide if Obama or Clinton will be the democratic nominee.

I personally would love for Clinton to win the nomination, not only that she's a stronger candidate to run against the republican leader, McCain. Obama doesn't have a chance against McCain, IMHO.

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I know this is double posting, but I'm sure it'll be allowed. I found this video while doing research on what Senator Obama has accomplished in the senate. And to be honest, I think this video tells a lot about Senator Obama. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Thoughts welcome .

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TBH just someone who's not going to fuck you guys over and really bugger up the rest of the world again

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I know this is double posting, but I'm sure it'll be allowed. I found this video while doing research on what Senator Obama has accomplished in the senate. And to be honest, I think this video tells a lot about Senator Obama. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

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I know this is double posting, but I'm sure it'll be allowed. I found this video while doing research on what Senator Obama has accomplished in the senate. And to be honest, I think this video tells a lot about Senator Obama. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Thoughts welcome .

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Seriously, that post is almost as sad as the one about the chain-letter..
This guy wasn't prepared to answer a question he obviously didn't expect, but how does this tell a lot about Barack Obama?

You should do more research, and perhaps start here: Kirk Watson's reaction to this on his blog

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So it says something about that guy being interviewed, not Obama.

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So it says something about that guy being interviewed, not Obama.

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I know this is double posting, but I'm sure it'll be allowed. I found this video while doing research on what Senator Obama has accomplished in the senate. And to be honest, I think this video tells a lot about Senator Obama. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Thoughts welcome .

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Seriously, that post is almost as sad as the one about the chain-letter..
This guy wasn't prepared to answer a question he obviously didn't expect, but how does this tell a lot about Barack Obama?

You should do more research, and perhaps start here: Kirk Watson's reaction to this on his blog

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My point being that if you support a canidate, and endorse them, yet can't name an accomplishment on national television, why are you supporting that canidate? I've never seen anyone that couldn't name at least one thing that a canidate has done. More to my point is that voters don't take a hard look at the facts before they vote. That base their vote on what they've heard, and to me that's heartbreaking because our country is falling now more than ever, and we need a president that has the experience.

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Clinton's never been president and so has no experience?

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she is/was a senator?


and so was obamah, iirc.

Hilary was the women behind Bill in many forms, she basically ran as President by having a huge influence over her husband's polices. If you want to see what Hilary will do for America, look at America when Bill had power .

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He's also against net neutrality, which I don't quite understand why, but he's definitely not getting my vote.

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That quote didn't come from me .

A just read a nice bit of information on Obama:

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Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice.
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Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?

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Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME

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I know this is double posting, but I'm sure it'll be allowed. I found this video while doing research on what Senator Obama has accomplished in the senate. And to be honest, I think this video tells a lot about Senator Obama. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Thoughts welcome .

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Seriously, that post is almost as sad as the one about the chain-letter..
This guy wasn't prepared to answer a question he obviously didn't expect, but how does this tell a lot about Barack Obama?

You should do more research, and perhaps start here: Kirk Watson's reaction to this on his blog

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My point being that if you support a canidate, and endorse them, yet can't name an accomplishment on national television, why are you supporting that canidate? I've never seen anyone that couldn't name at least one thing that a canidate has done. More to my point is that voters don't take a hard look at the facts before they vote. That base their vote on what they've heard, and to me that's heartbreaking because our country is falling now more than ever, and we need a president that has the experience.

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Clinton's never been president and so has no experience?

Secondly, what has Clinton ever done?

Thirdly, the whole point of the election is for people to vote on a candidate from what the candidate says they will do for them. How is the election not supposed to be won by what has been heard? That's pretty fucked up

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As far as what Senator Clinton has done, I'll simply leave you with the choice to read this very in depth article on the thing's she's done in the senate: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

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As far as what Senator Clinton has done, I'll simply leave you with the choice to read this very in depth article on the thing's she's done in the senate: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

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Sorry, I think in your pro-Clinton-ness, you forgot to also post a list of things that Obama has done in the senate:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm.

Just because Clinton has been in the White House does not mean she will make a better President than Obama will. Does the tea lady who has worked in the White House for 50 years have more experience at being President than Obama does, just because she's been in the White House?

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Why isn't Al Gore running?  I want him to win!

I think this video tells a lot about Hillary Clinton. Check it out:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/24/hillary-...s-bar_n_88194.html

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/24/hillary-...s-bar_n_88194.html

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Ron Paul wants to get rid of the IRS and federal reserve system . Needless to mention other things he wants to do .

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Clinton is the only one settings out real polices at the moment, showing she is organized and voters know what they are voting for. I'm happy whoever wins, as long as they are not Republican!

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Agreed... I'm surprised USA elections aren't held in the form of a idols-like game show yet where people send their official vote by text message .

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I think this video tells a lot about Hillary Clinton. Check it out:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/24/hillary-...s-bar_n_88194.html

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Okay, things have developed quite a bit since February and I think we should bring this thread back up.

My opinion is that Clinton won't be the Democratic candidate for the 2008 U.S. presidential election and she should accept it. There is (almost) no way she can possibly win at this point.

Obama's performance in the last weeks was better than Clinton's, while she messed up with her Bosnia sniper fire 'misspeaking', her involvement in NAFTA and her role in the peace process in northern Ireland.

And, personally, I don't understand what's wrong with a candidate who tries (and seems to succeed in) giving hope to the people, and I think it's quite obvious that it's not just hot air like Clinton tried to portray it as in the video I linked in my last post. (Just look at Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech, for example)

The House of Representatives still holds sovereignty remember; the President cannot always pass legislation without their support, so it's not always about the president, but the party the president represents. The problem is the Republicans are seen as incompetent and full of sleaze. This means a democratic president is the way forward. But would people rather have a black president or a republican? America still has its racist roots and it could be seen as a risk to have Obama as the Democratic candidates if it will lose votes.

Winning election isn't about providing change, its about compromise. It's about vague promises, its about populism. It isn't about policies its about personalities.

I know it should be the other way round, but it isn't, the majority of your population will vote for whoever they have traditionally voted for, or whoever promises them the best deal.

Our two country's hold very much the same recent political histories which prove this. In the 90s we both had countries tarnished by the neo-liberalism of Regan and Thatcher. So along come Blair and Clinton with their third way, providing style rather than substance, and a compromise between neo-liberalism and social democracy. The "Radical Centre" has been adopted for 10 years. Now along comes Cameron and along will come Obama, who both will try to provide a compromise between the third way and neo-liberalism.

None of the candidates actually stand for much other than "Change", because people are sick of those in charge. But if they were to say how they want to change things, they will alienate voters, which is a no no.

Personally I would still vote for Obama anyway, for two reasons, if Clinton wins no one other than a Bush or a Clinton will have been in the White House since 1989, that in a country with limited terms? Sounds more like a monarchy to me. Not that you even directly elect your president.....

seriously can this shit just end already, it's driving me insane and I'm in England, must be terrible in the US for all the fucking advertisements and news must be hell!