I don't know if you all have seen this video or not but its the most watched vid on youtube right now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hxOr3q7nrk

I can understand why the cop was pissed off. If you watch the first bit where the kid is saying he cant hear you hes got headphones in then he takes them out and the cop starts to talking to the kid, you cant hear the kid talking all you can hear is the cop. The kid was most likely saying all this smart ass shit thats why the cop got pissed. The kid was breaking the law by skateboarding where he was skateboarding, so the cop had a right to take the skateboard off him,but the kid refused and started talking back being a smart ass calling him dude and man, which you can tell he doesnt like. At the point where he grabed the kid he was really pissed off. The kid wouldnt respect him, the kid wouldn't stop calling him names that the police officer didn't like and the kid wouldn't hand over his skateboard that he has been breaking the law with. So the cop went up to him and grabed the skateboard, the kid held onto it and wouldn't give it over, so the cop had to use force and throw him to the ground. Then the kid continued to annoy the shit out of him by calling him dude and man. The funny bit is that he keeps saying "i didn't do anything" yes he did, he was skateboarding in the wrong place, then he disrespected the officer. I have noticed on youtube everyone is acting like this was unprovoked the kid did entirely nothing. What do you guys think?

Don't know, wasn't there, video does not tell enough to make a judgement without falling into speculation.

I asked what did you think of the video. I know you weren't there...

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Originally posted by Discrate
I have noticed on youtube everyone is acting like this was unprovoked the kid did entirely nothing. What do you guys think?

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Originally posted by Jesus

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Originally posted by Discrate
I have noticed on youtube everyone is acting like this was unprovoked the kid did entirely nothing. What do you guys think?

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From those 2 lines I made up you wanted to know whether or not we thought the officer's action was justified.
I can't tell that from the video.

If you want to know what I think of the video itself; I think it's shit.
Not only because of the bad camerawork and poor sound quality, but also because it's something the officer has to work out with the boy (and perhaps his lawyer).
In short, I've seen better video's with a more interesting storyline.

edit: I do think the cop needs some sort of anger management though.
Respect can also be earned in a more calmed down way.

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Cop's up himself (wtf @ "don't get defensive with me", afaik he didn't do anything), I can't hear anything the kids said so I can't comment on whether what he did was justified or not.

Cop was a complete asshole. There was no need for the yelling. A simple please don't skateboard here probably would have been sufficient and if they didn't listen than he can get a bit aggressive.

If I were that kid I would have just called up my brother Then we will see who needs to respect who.

don't call me dude ok sorry dude don't call me man ok man

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Originally posted by Discrate
A simple please don't skateboard here probably would have been sufficient

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Wow, wtf. I agree that the kid has an attitude, but the cop certainly has one too. He just seems to want to show off how much power he has. And he obviously doesn't understand that calling someone "dude" is not just some "ranch" thing... Anyway, I think that cop should have acted professional, not just shouted at the poor kid like some abusive father.

I hate it when cops search your house and they pull all your clothes out and leave em on the floor just because they can

Bad memories Phillip?

I would have smashed him in the head with the board when i had the chance. They wonder why no one respects them? Its because they do stupid stuff like this.

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Originally posted by JustIncredible
I would have smashed him in the head with the board when i had the chance. They wonder why no one respects them? Its because they do stupid stuff like this.

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Originally posted by JustIncredible
I would have smashed him in the head with the board when i had the chance. They wonder why no one respects them? Its because they do stupid stuff like this.

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Wtf. That cop seriously should be fired. The kid does nothing wrong and he suddenly starts making comments about the kids dad and then starts pushing him over. That is not how to be a cop, I wouldn't of taken it from him and would of reported him.

The cop is a part of the system. He will never be fired.

Both crossed the line.
Cop clearly has power abuse problems and the kid is just a teenager with attitude, nothing special.

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Originally posted by vaccination
Wtf. That cop seriously should be fired. The kid does nothing wrong and he suddenly starts making comments about the kids dad and then starts pushing him over. That is not how to be a cop, I wouldn't of taken it from him and would of reported him.

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Originally posted by vaccination
Wtf. That cop seriously should be fired. The kid does nothing wrong and he suddenly starts making comments about the kids dad and then starts pushing him over. That is not how to be a cop, I wouldn't of taken it from him and would of reported him.

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He was doing something wrong he was skateboarding in the wrong place then he was giving lip to the officier and the kid wouldn't listen

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I think the car this cop drives in might be related to his anger problem.

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Originally posted by MenthiX
I think the car this cop drives in might be related to his anger problem.

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I saw one a day ago or two where a cop arrested a guy in a wheelchair for parking in a prohibited place (he used special equipment to drive) after he gets to the police's offices he is asked to stand up by the cop. he can't stand up, and the officer insists on him standing up when he couldn't move his legs. The officer gets pissed and grabs the chair by the back handles and throws him to the floor, there were two other officers present there and they didn't do a thing. way to go, cops! (was in the US btw.)

funniest thing?

at the VERY end of the vid

Cop - "Is that camera on? If I find myself on y-"
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Personally I think he (the cop) has been a complete definition of cunt in human form.

NO WAY was that reasonable force for the "crime" committed. Also he did not handle that in any form of professional manner at all, ok he confiscates the skateboard but he does not at any time write down the Name, Address or Contact Details of the child concerned or give his details over or any information regarding how to reclaim his property

Heck the force shown in the video alone can be enough for a court case on child abuse in some countries. (~50-54s)

Maybe I'm biased though being a (ex)skater, even so, things seem way too aggressive from the adult here, especially on such a petty crime.

I think he needs a real suit and car, that shows power not something I'd associate with gym exercise and 80's gay stereotypes

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Originally posted by aNILEator
funniest thing?

at the VERY end of the vid

Cop - "Is that camera on? If I find myself on y-"
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i think i personally said pwned at my computer screen

i think the kid learnt the lesson, well done mr officer

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Originally posted by Discrate
I asked what did you think of the video. I know you weren't there...

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Originally posted by Discrate
omg, i know the video is shit quality the guy was filming without the officer that's not what the thread is about.

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Originally posted by Discrate
don't call me dude ok sorry dude don't call me man ok man

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Originally posted by JustIncredible
I would have smashed him in the head with the board when i had the chance. They wonder why no one respects them? Its because they do stupid stuff like this.

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Originally posted by Discrate
He was doing something wrong he was skateboarding in the wrong place then he was giving lip to the officier and the kid wouldn't listen

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Originally posted by Discrate
omg, i know the video is shit quality the guy was filming without the officer that's not what the thread is about.

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Hey, maybe I should throw you to the ground, take your keyboard away, and start bitching about your parents and your language used on the forums. Maybe I should, on top of that, not identify myself legally, and harass you some more, forcing you to do something that you don't have to do under any law (like sitting down somewhere). Then maybe I can keep bitching at you and start complaining about a camera that your buddy has every right to use to film me doing all this to you.

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I think the cop had every right to tell the kid not to skateboard in an area hes not meant to, but i think he took it way over the top with the yelling and talking about his parents like that. I agree with the definition that he could be sumwhere else bustin up drug groups and stuff

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Originally posted by Discrate
lou watch the video carefully. The officer asked for the skateboard which the kid was breaking the law with. The kid refused so the cop grabed the skateboard, still the kid didnt give it, thats when the cop has a right to use force. If i have 5 grams of weed in my hand and the officer says give it and i refuse then he grabs the weed then pushes me to the ground in a struggle and takes it, should i start complaining? He pushed me to the ground. Watch carefully and think about it. You cant really hear what the kid is saying, but the bits you can hear of the kid all you can hear is the kid giving him lip calling him dude man ect,talking back.

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lol he must've like had some trouble in life, so he took it out on the kids. that cop was totally out of line

Discrate,

Given that you live in Australia, perhaps you are subject to different laws.  However, this video was taken in Baltimore, U.S., where certain individual rights apply, and this officer should is lucky if he only gets off with a suspension.

There is no requirement to surrender your personal property to the police without a valid warrant or a clearly stated intention to impound a vehicle (provided city of Baltimore extends police impounding to skateboards), with a proper receipt provided.  "Give it to me" does not constitute such, thus the kid is fully within his rights to refuse.  "I am going to impound your skateboard pursuant to [insert reference to the local ordinance].  Here is your receipt, this is the address where you pay your fine and pick it up" is how that should have been conducted -- if that power is even granted to the police in Baltimore, which I'd have to look up.  I will also note that at this point, the kid hasn't been cited for any offense.

In most states, there is no legal requirement that one should identify oneself to the police if they are not operating a vehicle that requires a license, or are inside an establishment selling alcohol.  Thus, the kid is probably fully within his rights refusing to answer the various "where are you from" questions.

The intended function of police is to enforce -- and follow -- the law.  It is not to act badass and demand "respect" that citizens aren't legally obligated to give.  It is entirely appropriate that this officer was suspended, and I'd say he should consider himself fortunate if the kid's family doesn't bother to bring a civil suit.

fully agree with adeptus here, and discrate made a very poor irrelevant comparison of confiscating a skateboard to confiscating drugs, i don't think I need to explain the differences of law that apply in such circumstances

If you are breaking the law with something the police are allowed to confiscateit, well here in australia they are.. Here in victoria, we have laws that are nicknamed "anti-hoon laws" If you are caught drag racing, you car gets confiscated. If your car has to much sub woofers etc and its creating lots of noise your car can be confiscated. And also like in that video we have a problem with skateboarders in the city skateboarding in the wrong place. If you are caught your skateboard will be taken off you. If you refuse to give it up,it will be taken off you by force.

haha.. that kid got pwned by a cop

but yeah c'mon if you're wearing a police uniform, representing the law you should have a little bit more composure. sure the kid may have pissed him off, but i mean those guys are trained not to get provoked easily (so that they don't abuse their power) and to be honest the physical contact in this situation was unnecessary.  imo.
but it was kinda funny though..

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If you are breaking the law with something the police are allowed to confiscateit, well here in australia they are.. Here in victoria, we have laws that are nicknamed "anti-hoon laws" If you are caught drag racing, you car gets confiscated. If your car has to much sub woofers etc and its creating lots of noise your car can be confiscated. And also like in that video we have a problem with skateboarders in the city skateboarding in the wrong place. If you are caught your skateboard will be taken off you. If you refuse to give it up,it will be taken off you by force.

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However, this video was taken in Baltimore, U.S., where certain individual rights apply
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There is no requirement to surrender your personal property to the police without a valid warrant or a clearly stated intention to impound a vehicle (provided city of Baltimore extends police impounding to skateboards), with a proper receipt provided.

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If you are breaking the law with something the police are allowed to confiscateit, well here in australia they are.. Here in victoria, we have laws that are nicknamed "anti-hoon laws" If you are caught drag racing, you car gets confiscated. If your car has to much sub woofers etc and its creating lots of noise your car can be confiscated. And also like in that video we have a problem with skateboarders in the city skateboarding in the wrong place. If you are caught your skateboard will be taken off you. If you refuse to give it up,it will be taken off you by force.

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Did you even read adeptus's post?

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Originally posted by adeptus

However, this video was taken in Baltimore, U.S., where certain individual rights apply
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There is no requirement to surrender your personal property to the police without a valid warrant or a clearly stated intention to impound a vehicle (provided city of Baltimore extends police impounding to skateboards), with a proper receipt provided.

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Originally posted by vaccination

The cop shoulda came over and said "Hey guys, could you please move on to another area, you're not allowed to skate here, sorry." and the kids should of went "yeah sure dude, see ya" and that'd be the end of it.

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I lol'd at the end of that video.

Yeah the cop took it too far I think, but thats what happens cops do profiling a lot and will be assholes to people they believe fit their vision of a criminal.

Like my suburb has it pretty bad at the moment, why? Oh because I live in the same suburb as where that stupid Corey kid had that party ( if you havent heard about it google the words Narre Warren, 500 people and tool). So now there are cops everywhere, in fact on friday and saturday nights they take their choppers out and start shinning lights on random houses that look to have too much activity.

Some of my friends have been stopped for the most dumbest of reasons, worst one is one of my friends was pulling out of his driveway and a cop stopped him because he was thinking he was robbing the joint. He was a complete dick to him until he put in his key to the house, and even still the douche had the nerve to say he was giving a warning and that he shouldn't deceive the police.

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The cop shoulda came over and said "Hey guys, could you please move on to another area, you're not allowed to skate here, sorry." and the kids should of went "yeah sure dude, see ya" and that'd be the end of it.

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No, because he doesnt want to be called dude nor man !
that would begin with another problem

I think the kid acted wrong, and the cop too..

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The cop shoulda came over and said "Hey guys, could you please move on to another area, you're not allowed to skate here, sorry." and the kids should of went "yeah sure dude, see ya" and that'd be the end of it.

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No, because he doesnt want to be called dude nor man !
that would begin with another problem

I think the kid acted wrong, and the cop too..

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The kid has every right to call him dude, the cop has no right to force people to call him what he wants, which is why I said dude in my post, because a good officer wouldn't of made a fuss about it. o;

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The cop shoulda came over and said "Hey guys, could you please move on to another area, you're not allowed to skate here, sorry." and the kids should of went "yeah sure dude, see ya" and that'd be the end of it.

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No, because he doesnt want to be called dude nor man !
that would begin with another problem

I think the kid acted wrong, and the cop too..

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The kid has every right to call him dude, the cop has no right to force people to call him what he wants, which is why I said dude in my post, because a good officer wouldn't of made a fuss about it. o;

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He has a right to call him that but, it still insults him. I have a right to walk up to you on the street and call you a loser or something like that, but you would be angry and insulted.

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The term "dude" is an American English slang word generally used informally to address a male individual.

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Originally posted by wikipedia
The term "dude" is an American English slang word generally used informally to address a male individual.

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I don't see an insult there, neither in the word "man"

unless it's a woman ofcourse

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Originally posted by Discrate
If you are breaking the law with something the police are allowed to confiscateit, well here in australia they are.. Here in victoria, we have laws that are nicknamed "anti-hoon laws" If you are caught drag racing, you car gets confiscated. If your car has to much sub woofers etc and its creating lots of noise your car can be confiscated.

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And also like in that video we have a problem with skateboarders in the city skateboarding in the wrong place. If you are caught your skateboard will be taken off you. If you refuse to give it up,it will be taken off you by force.

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If you are breaking the law with something the police are allowed to confiscateit, well here in australia they are.. Here in victoria, we have laws that are nicknamed "anti-hoon laws" If you are caught drag racing, you car gets confiscated. If your car has to much sub woofers etc and its creating lots of noise your car can be confiscated.

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The anti-hoon laws are totally unconnected with skateboarding, and they aren't covering every illegal act with a car. That's a very broad view you have on the laws, and it's not even relevant to the thread.

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And also like in that video we have a problem with skateboarders in the city skateboarding in the wrong place. If you are caught your skateboard will be taken off you. If you refuse to give it up,it will be taken off you by force.

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Pretty sure you made that up. They can't use unnecessary force (similarly to the video) just because you don't hand over a skateboard at an officer's demand.

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Same cop: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=867_1203133697

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Originally posted by MenthiX
Same cop: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=867_1203133697

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im looking into a career in law enforcement and this is terrible. that officer is a joke.. plus i thought you had to be in top physical condition to be a police officer. after reading the comments on the video it suggests that the officer should have been busting drug dealers etc, this cop would be useless at that as the offenders would run then what will he do? shoot them? you can't shoot them all.

i can see nothing the kid has done to provoke such aggressive behaviour, take the kdis name down and ask him to leave the area and if you catch him again then take it to the next step. if you think smart arse comments should allow the cop to act this way im afraid i can't agree with you. kids will be kids and there is no law against lack of respect lol. i don't even consider calling someone dude or man a sign of lack of respect and ill admit, i find it hard to stop saying words i use alot when i'm asked to.

i would have been even more of a smart arse if i was there and kept my skateboard under the previously mentioned individual rights law. i do like to stir the pot though lol.

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The kid was breaking the law by skateboarding where he was skateboarding, so the cop had a right to take the skateboard off him

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So the cop went up to him and grabed the skateboard, the kid held onto it and wouldn't give it over, so the cop had to use force and throw him to the ground.

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he disrespected the officer.

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Originally posted by SikStyles
Both crossed the line.
Cop clearly has power abuse problems and the kid is just a teenager with attitude, nothing special.

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Originally posted by .Lou
I don't know where this video was filmed, but had it been around here, the officer would not have been allowed to use such yelling or aggressive behaviour for something of the sort. He had to first ensure that the person in question was warned of the behaviour if there are no written indications in the area stating the fact that it is not legal to skateboard there. If the child continues to do it, the officer must then take names down and etc.

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Originally posted by Discrate
If you are breaking the law with something the police are allowed to confiscateit, well here in australia they are.. Here in victoria, we have laws that are nicknamed "anti-hoon laws" If you are caught drag racing, you car gets confiscated.

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If your car has to much sub woofers etc and its creating lots of noise your car can be confiscated.

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If you are caught your skateboard will be taken off you. If you refuse to give it up,it will be taken off you by force.

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haha.. that kid got pwned by a cop

but yeah c'mon if you're wearing a police uniform, representing the law you should have a little bit more composure. sure the kid may have pissed him off, but i mean those guys are trained not to get provoked easily (so that they don't abuse their power) and to be honest the physical contact in this situation was unnecessary.  imo.
but it was kinda funny though..

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Originally posted by Discrate
I have a right to walk up to you on the street and call you a loser or something like that, but you would be angry and insulted.

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Honestly, that cop seems to be having a very bad day. 

I agree with one of the first posts that the video gives very little information to base much judgment on, but that copper shows disrespect to those 3 kids and then is surprised when he receives attitude back.

Also the officer says: "Obiously your parents dont put a foot in your butt quite enough because you dont know the meaning of respect"

Kicking/slapping/spanking your child would be child abuse, and in many countries would be falling under crime laws.


I once pointed and laughed at a police officer on a bike and said loudly so that  all my friends could hear, that that was the most pathetic police officer I ever saw. (which is obviously clear disrespect, but hey, I was 15)
He stopped, came to me and asked something along the lines of me being a little bitch. I answered that the difference was that I was not a bitch, but he was still, for a fact, a copper.  He left after asking me kindly to be a little more respectful next time, which made me at that time, feel guilty for making fun of him.

I think that any police officer would be better off reacting like the cop in my own story, even though he showed me disrespect in return, he used it to point out its not nice when people make unfounded rude statements about you.

What the cop in that video seems to do, is turn it around and give a very "childish" attitude to those skateboarders, who are teens and obviously are going to react on what that cop is doing. Any and every cop should know the psychological basics behind communication and know how to turn the situation to your advantage, not against you. This cop clearly makes some errors regarding his communication skills.