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Contact List Clean up Bug by alister on 04-03-2008 at 02:29 PM
Ok im using the latest msn messenger plus and messpatch
this thing im about to say i have seen happening in versions befor this latest one aswell just have never said anything tho interest why it does this now as its annoying
ok so i have certain people on my contact list that have been online while i have been as i no this feature says give it time but this isnt the cause with the problem
but it says some people that i no have me on there contact list dont have me at all or a fair few somtimes and others are correct now this can be a little missleading when trying to clean up your contact list
only things i can think of that may be causing this could it be somthing to do with polyagami and having some of the same contacts on different msn accounts and it not be able to logg the info correctly due to it conflicting with polagami and not been able to tell cos its detecting from both lists?
im not sure that was a theoy with what it mite be but i definitly no it tells me some people that have had me on there msn list havent had me when i go to contact list cleanup even after i have just been talking to this person or while talking to them
it would be really good if somone could work out whats up with this as this feature is probobly the most handy in cleaning contact list tho with the present problems its not as handy
also was wondering if you have a contact on your msn list that has never come online does contact list clean up actully work that out and say they dont have you?
i mean say somone had me on there msn list and didnt logg on for say 3 mounths after i had messenger plus installed onto my pc would it say they dont have me cos it hasnt seen them come online while ive been using it?
just trying to understand how it works
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by CookieRevised on 04-04-2008 at 08:20 AM
quote:It might be that they have deleted you
Originally posted by alister
but it says some people that i no have me on there contact list dont have me at all
Second, how do you know for sure they have you on their contacts list? It is quite possible that you can see the status of someone, talk to someone, etc without that person having you on his/hers contact list.
quote:Messenger Plus! is polygamy compatible. Polygamy does not influence The Contact List Cleanup.
Originally posted by alister
only things i can think of that may be causing this could it be somthing to do with polyagami
quote:You're confusing things so it seems.
Originally posted by alister
also was wondering if you have a contact on your msn list that has never come online does contact list clean up actully work that out and say they dont have you?
The indicating that someone has/hasn't you on their contacts list has got nothing todo with the contact status.
So even if you have never seen a contact online, that contact might still have you on their contact list, or it might not. (and vice versa).
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The information you see in the Contact List Cleanup window comes from Messenger itself. Plus! does not calculate this information itself, Plus! gets it directly from Messenger. So if Messenger is wrong, Plus! would be wrong.
The indication "Has you/Doesn't has you on his/hers contact list" _only_ indicates if that contact has/hasn't you on their contact list, nothing more. It has got nothing todo with the fact if you talked to that person before or not, nor does it has anything todo with you seeing that contact online or not.
All the other information from the Contact List Cleanup (the info in the columns of the list itself) regarding the last time you had a chat with someone, etc. is calculated from the moment you have installed Plus!. Since Plus! can not know what you have done and who you have talked to before you have installed Plus!. So even if is says "never talked to", it can still mean that you have talked to that person before you had Plus! installed.
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PS: please try to use punctuation. It is hard to read sentences without commas, capitals and end markers.
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by alister on 04-04-2008 at 01:21 PM
lol sorry i suck with punctuation i allways have really but now you mension that they may have deleted me from there list but not blocked me.
would explain why its saying they dont have me in there list and i didnt think of that at the time.
other reason i said about weather it can tell if somone has you or not based on there comming online after plus was installed was cos when you install it it says to wait time for it to get correct info so i wasnt sure
but basicly what u said probobly does explain what i asked so thanks for the information
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by PeYonka on 05-14-2008 at 02:58 AM
I have the exact same problem.
If anoyne can help me it be greatly appreciated!!
It says that Im not on my contacts own contact list, while I constantly talk to them, (they open the chat window first) and I just talked to them 5 min ago. How is this possible??
I read the explanation above but that doesnt make any sense because I talk to these people constantly and it is not like I open the contact chat window first - they do. so if they deleted me how can they still talk to me?
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by ahmetgns on 05-23-2008 at 04:42 PM
quote:Easy, in contact list window's menu, navigate to "Actions>Send an instant message" and type an email address there and press OK.
Originally posted by PeYonka
I have the exact same problem.
If anoyne can help me it be greatly appreciated!!
It says that Im not on my contacts own contact list, while I constantly talk to them, (they open the chat window first) and I just talked to them 5 min ago. How is this possible??
I read the explanation above but that doesnt make any sense because I talk to these people constantly and it is not like I open the contact chat window first - they do. so if they deleted me how can they still talk to me?
Those contacts may be learning your online status from another friend of yours and start the conversation with you then. Also, the Messenger's reverse list, which Messenger Plus! Live also relies on, may be corrupted.
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by i3rror on 01-31-2010 at 02:57 PM
Please explain this,
I have this contact with whom i talk every day (it's actually my girlfriend), we both have Messenger Plus and I definitely have her in my contact list and she aslo has me - I logged in to both mine and her MSN account and checked.
But when i logged on to her MSN and opened up the Contact clean up, it showed that I don't have her in my list, that our last chat was 4+ days ago and that I was last online 9+ days ago.
None of that is correct, I talked to her yesterday and every day before that months back and I'm like online all the time. She started using Messenger Plus months ago, so it's not that.
Clean up list is the main reason why I started using Messenger Plus and it's the reason why I deleted many of my contacts... and now it seems it seems I made a huge mistake?
RE: RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by ahmetgns on 01-31-2010 at 04:33 PM
quote:If you signed in her account on your own computer that is quite normal because Messenger Plus! calculates those information according to its local logs in Windows registry. In other words, Messenger Plus!'s statistics are not roamable through internet at this time. However showing +4 for last chat and +9 for last online is strange. Because the plus sign indicates that Messenger Plus! didn't detect last chat or last online status with in that much days, weeks etc. However, it calculates both of them wrt a unique information in registry, which is created when a new user signs in for the first time. So, unless there is an information for a given contact, Plus! calculates the time passed since first sign in till that moment. So, last chat and last online should have shown the same value, that is why +4 and +9 is quite strange. In my computer, if there is no information for any of my contacts, his/her last online and chat information shows the same thing, +22 months.
Originally posted by i3rror
But when i logged on to her MSN and opened up the Contact clean up, it showed that I don't have her in my list, that our last chat was 4+ days ago and that I was last online 9+ days ago.
None of that is correct, I talked to her yesterday and every day before that months back and I'm like online all the time. She started using Messenger Plus months ago, so it's not that.
quote:Blame Microsoft. This issue is known for a couple of months but Microsoft doesn't fix it. As CookieRevised said above, Messenger Plus! reads that information from Messenger's own reverse list.
Clean up list is the main reason why I started using Messenger Plus and it's the reason why I deleted many of my contacts... and now it seems it seems I made a huge mistake?
RE: RE: RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by i3rror on 02-01-2010 at 04:53 PM
So, if I tell her to check the same thing on HER computer it should be correct? It will say she is in my list?
...Now it says +5/+10... and we chatted today 
Blame Microsoft. This issue is known for a couple of months but Microsoft doesn't fix it. As CookieRevised said above, Messenger Plus! reads that information from Messenger's own reverse list.
Is that also related to the way people can check if someone deleted them by right-clicking on the contacts in the Allow list (Privacy options) and seeing if the Delete option is click-able, on normal WLMs' ?
Because now I logged in to HER msn account again, and in the Allow list when i right click on MYSELF the Delete option is enabled/click-able while I did NOT delete her.
Thanks for the reply.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by ahmetgns on 02-01-2010 at 06:08 PM
Last Online and Last Chat statistics depends on Messenger Plus!'s logs on a computer after being installed on that computer.
Has You information depends on reverse list coming from Messenger.
I cannot help more, you must get the idea from what is written on this thread.
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by DyNo on 02-01-2010 at 10:49 PM
this is happening to me aswell, when i add someone they show up as no, but there the ones who added me in the first place and vise versa. this is just every confusing i just hope they fix it soon
plus i tested this with my girlfriend on are laptops, and i told her to delete me and i seen her do it, i still had her as yes, so i signed out and signed back in and i still had her has yes. but she didnt re add me to after that, so theres gotta be a bug involved
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by finjo on 03-14-2010 at 04:25 PM
Just posting to say this is happening to me too. i have several people who cleanup claims do not have me on their contact list, but they talk to me regularly and in one case i've actually been on their pc and seen that they do have me on their contacts.
it only seems to happen with new people that i add (rather than people who add me first)
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by blessedguy on 03-14-2010 at 05:41 PM
quote:Please read: Contact List Clean-Up NOT Working - Information!
Originally posted by finjo
Just posting to say this is happening to me too.)
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by egw1 on 04-20-2010 at 10:31 AM
The problem is indeed with the latest version of WLM and many people have been complaining. I have a contact (that's the one I noticed anyway) that deleted me and then re-added me but of course it says that doesn't have me. We have absolutely no common friends, I am 1000000% sure of that so doesn't know when I am online and yes starts conversation first when i log in to WLM.
Although you can start conversation within the clean-up window if someone has you and you don't or the opposite by clicking on their names and then from up to the right "start conversation", still there is no explanation as to how that person knows when I come online or not. OK so there might be an e-mail from me on that person's inbox and by clicking you can see if the small box by the name is white/red/green or orange but isn't that a bit far fetched? It can't be that all these people are lying to us and go to all this trouble just to hide us from their contact list.
See this link here and you will understand what is going on. There is a bug with this messenger version and it is very frustrating.
http://windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=9...e1290ab4cdd&page=1
RE: Contact List Clean up Bug by CookieRevised on 04-20-2010 at 07:16 PM
quote:What is said there: a local problem (contacts cache becomes corrupt due to some reason (of which one of the reasons was removing some DLLs and/or tampering with the previous version of the Messenger program to circumvent the mandatory update)) and also some possible misinterpretations of people on how these different contact lists work, are exactly the same as what I've been saying since a long time and which was questionned and said to be untrue. But those causes are two of the 'standard' causes, and that thread confirms that now (I must admit, before, I hadn't a public source to back me up though).
Originally posted by egw1
See this link here and you will understand what is going on. There is a bug with this messenger version and it is very frustrating.
http://windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=9...e1290ab4cdd&page=1
PS: They don't say "it is a bug" though! It is said it is "a problem" with the "last version". There is a small difference. It means people experience the problems when using the last version. But in fact, there is only one version, so of course people will experience it in "the last version". Aka they wont experience it in any previous version because such a previous version wouldn't work anymore. So, in essence, what is said and how you should interpret it is: "there is a problem", if you catch my drift. But of course we all already there is a problem... so, yeah...
Anyways and however, these days, another major issue is the new version of the protocol and an upcoming change in the internal relationships between the various contact lists. The Messenger program is still the same as before, but the protocol and some other, but very important internal server-side stuff in regards to how the various contact lists work with eachother, is changing to prepare for the upcomming new Messenger version. But I can't/shouldn't really say more about that though... And because of that almost everybody is now experiencing problems with the Reverse List.
But, after reading that thread, it seems to me that the support people are not quite up to date yet with their information (the support people don't always have all the information either of course; they give support and can only work with the info which is given to them from 'upperhand'. They even said so themselfs in that thread).
So, all in all, yes, that thread explains a few things of what could be the cause. But this is nothing new to the threads in this forum about this subject because those causes have been listed and explained before in some of the threads here. Nevertheless, thanks for linking to that thread on the Windows Live Solution Center. It will be interesting to see where it goes from here and what the support peepz have to say about it.