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Originally posted by Inky

A few days we obtained the latest installer for Windows Live Messenger, version "2009". We were asked to keep it quiet for now, but of course we couldn't contain our excitement and had to let all messers out there know about the new stuff. The most noticeable is of course the new look, with colors and headers resembling the new Windows Live header that has been discussed by Liveside before. On top of that, it looks like all the various dialogs are now also properly styled like Windows Live Messenger, rather than having the "old" Windows look.









In the feature department quite a few things have been added and changed as well. The biggest of which is the new Groups feature (while the old groups are renamed to Categories). A Group is a special chat room to which you can invite your buddies, and which stays on your contact list until you delete it (making it an instant multi-party conversation). The group will appear to be online when a another buddy in the group is also online. With a group, you can share files, photos, chat history, etc. (More coverage on Liveside). Aside from groups, there's another new entry in the contact list: the Favorites category. This category is always shown at the top, and when contacts are added to them their full details are shown in your contact list (similar to the "Show all contact details" feature in v8.5). The favorites category is also shown on older clients, where it will display as a regular category.

Along with the new UI of the conversation window (most noticeably the display pictures appearing at the left side of the conversation), a new feature has also been added: photo sharing. You can add or remove photos from the current session, and browse through them while you and your buddy discuss the currently displayed photo. Although we couldn't try it out in detail yet, this promises to make it much easier to show all those holiday and party photos to your buddies.

The build in question is the first milestone after the questionable BETA period which was closed at the end of June, with a new second milestone already coming up. We can't wait to see what turns up in the next few months... Seeing as the most-requested features haven't been added yet (Messenger Team, we're looking at you!). We will keep you posted.

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I am very excited about the new features but I don't know if I should be happy or not about the changes in the look and the UI, and also the new Windows Live header.

Looks great, who's going to be the first one to come up with a skin looking like that

Probably me, already had the skin idea when I saw the mess.be posting

or me? nah go ahead mynetx, you deserve it

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I agree it doesn't look that nice with all that white. And where is that Windows Live header?

That's going to take a while getting used to :/

No Aero?

Look awesome.

I think tabbed chats might fill up the left hand side of the convo window

Hey, we were talking about transparency in WLM 2009 but I don't see anything transparent at all.

Where's WPF ...

shit.

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Where's WPF ...

shit.

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Well I'm pretty confident they did, but our source told us it was a pretty poor attempt (classic Microsoft style) .

that dps on the left side of the convo suck

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Originally posted by Voldemort
that dps on the left side of the convo suck

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Screenshot Wlm 9 build 14:

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Originally posted by Basilis
I agree it doesn't look that nice with all that white. And where is that Windows Live header?

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that dps on the left side of the convo suck

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well looks like they are getting their act together design wise. It would be cool to take a look at the UIfiles to get a good idea of what skinners will be up against.

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Originally posted by Willz
It would be cool to take a look at the UIfiles to get a good idea of what skinners will be up against.

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Originally posted by warmth

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It would be cool to take a look at the UIfiles to get a good idea of what skinners will be up against.

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are you sure that exist UIfiles??? you said you don't in DE forum...

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Originally posted by absorbation
Well I'm pretty confident they did, but our source told us it was a pretty poor attempt (classic Microsoft style) .

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the conversation window reminds me of AIM Convo windows .. IMO it wont be hard to get used to if you have used AIM6.x

Yeh, apparently this is an old build, and the design is subject to change again .

Never take a beta as what it appears is what i've always heard, it is always changing and things are getting removed etc

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Yeh, apparently this is an old build, and the design is subject to change again .

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Yeh, apparently this is an old build, and the design is subject to change again .

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if you look on liveside there is another screenshot of it there but has the header as msn messenger an not wlm messenger..

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I have a feeling this is going to get leaked any day now...

Who will be the first to leak it to the warez sites? hmmmmm

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Originally posted by YourNeibour
Who will be the first to leak it to the warez sites? hmmmmm

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I think the important thing to acknowledge is the fact that this is just that, a non public release build. Which means that anything can change with regards to it, and as illustrated in the past (referring to the yellow coloured messenger) this have. So with regards to Patchou matching the new build, it really serves to point cause for all we know, it might be wpf in the future, which means that stuff would need to be re-worked from the ground up...

Like Patchou has always maintained, he doesn't support beta builds.

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Yeh, apparently this is an old build, and the design is subject to change again .

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if you look on liveside there is another screenshot of it there but has the header as msn messenger an not wlm messenger..

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Link? I cannot find that screenshot in the post .

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if you look on liveside there is another screenshot of it there but has the header as msn messenger an not wlm messenger..

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Link? I cannot find that screenshot in the post .

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have a look on mess.be an click on the liveside link liveside link

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one another through Group IM, and exposing access to features offered through other services; What’s New, new photos, shared files, the list goes on. (Wave 11 mockup)

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i didn't see the mockup Print..i overlooked it 

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It would be cool to take a look at the UIfiles to get a good idea of what skinners will be up against.

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are you sure that exist UIfiles??? you said you don't in DE forum...

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In this build they would still exist and I said they could "possibly" scrap them. I never said they were going to.

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It looks good that's for sure let's just hope they stick with this new GUI design...windows lives messenger has looked the same since version 8 it needs a facelift visually.

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It looks good that's for sure let's just hope they stick with this new GUI design...windows lives messenger has looked the same since version 8 it needs a facelift visually.

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It looks good that's for sure let's just hope they stick with this new GUI design...windows lives messenger has looked the same since version 8 it needs a facelift visually.

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Originally posted by mess.be
• Contact list with new header
• Conversation window with left-aligned DPs
• New PhotoShare feature
• About dialog (build 14.0.3921.717)

Update: We have received a DMCA take-down notice which we are currently investigating. Until then we have taken the screenshots down. Looks like Microsoft really doesn't want everyone to see the new look Windows Live Messenger v9.

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strange they put the screenshots up there in the first place knowing full damm well M$$ would of had mess.be pull them down

A DMCA notice for screenshots ... Microsoft sounds like the new China.

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Originally posted by absorbation
A DMCA notice for screenshots ... Microsoft sounds like the new China.

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Yet another smart move by Microsoft, threatening a Messenger enthusiast site with a dcma notice. I know its a leak and all, but its a rather stupid idea to attack a site that openly promotes the use of their software.

Meh i'll never understand corporations.

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A DMCA notice for screenshots ... Microsoft sounds like the new China.

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Originally posted by Willz
Yet another smart move by Microsoft, threatening a Messenger enthusiast site with a dcma notice. I know its a leak and all, but its a rather stupid idea to attack a site that openly promotes the use of their software.

Meh i'll never understand corporations.

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They just need to choose their testers better, I mean, how many versions of Plus! have been leaked?

Well testers of Plus! know each other and are all in the same community. They can be trusted more while the beta testers of Messenger are strangers and are chosen mostly by their experience.

P.S. I wish I could be a beta tester of Plus! Is there any chance Patchou asks for more beta testers?

I got a DMCA once, because someone posted a comment linking to a leaked beta. My site was down for 20 hrs, I would of preferred an email, instead of me, a person who promotes their products thinking their utter dickheads.

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P.S. I wish I could be a beta tester of Plus! Is there any chance Patchou asks for more beta testers?

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Originally posted by Basilis
P.S. I wish I could be a beta tester of Plus! Is there any chance Patchou asks for more beta testers?

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There are always chances, however according to the last statement in this area, new testers are not likely to be accepted before a new beta starts. But, you know, things and minds can change, so be on the watch

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Originally posted by Nathan
a certain someone

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Can't say - because the person who it concerns would be spammed
click here to see who it was

Anyhow I can't believe theres a DMCA notice about it o_O

* Nathan runs away

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Originally posted by Nathan
but a certain someone put in a good word for me

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Originally posted by Willz
Yet another smart move by Microsoft, threatening a Messenger enthusiast site with a dcma notice. I know its a leak and all, but its a rather stupid idea to attack a site that openly promotes the use of their software.

Meh i'll never understand corporations.

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A DMCA notice for screenshots ... Microsoft sounds like the new China.

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Originally posted by Eddie
I am quite patient, but i do like to hear a bit of news sometimes, occasionally the only way we know something is occuring is through leaks.

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But Cookie I believe all press and the Internet should be free to express themselves. If newspapers were forced not to publish articles or news stories because one corporation said so, there would be a extreme grey area.

I don't want Microsoft telling me what I can and can not post about, they shouldn't control the news, no matter what it covers. It's the principle that concerns me.

Not like we have freedom of speech or anything though ;o

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But Cookie I believe all press and the Internet should be free to express themselves. If newspapers were forced not to publish articles or news stories because one corporation said so, there would be a extreme grey area.

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I stick to my principle policy. When a government report is leaked, newspapers freely published its contents. I remember the outrage when a website famous for leaking reports was ordered to be shut down. Although, I bet the website was a general nuisance to government workings, in fact I wrote an essay on the matter and got full marks for it, it doesn't give them the right to stop it either. Despite I know it causes great problems when information is leaked, and can be costly to repair, it doesn't mean any company, organisation or government has the right to stop any form of media from talking about it.

I believe the Digital Millennium Copyright Act should only be used for infringement of copyright, and that alone.

WLM was leaked, the world is going to end!

Again, you are given such information as a BETA TESTER, NOT as a news reporter!!!!!!!!!! And you should treat it as such. If you fail to make that distinction, or you don't even know what the difference is then you should NOT be a beta tester, butterfly, Plus! tester, etc, at all since you obviously can NOT be trusted with inside info... If MS knows you are going to publish it anyways, they wouldn't give you that info in the first place*!

You** are seriously confusing freedom of speech, digital copyright acts and whatever other things for the stuff which they ARE NOT meant for.

If I would start to publish all the stuff I know about members of this community, I would go down as not very trustworthy in no time, and spewed out by many in seconds. It is exactly the same thing.

It is all about trust, not about freedom of speech. At least, if you use the freedom of speech argument in such cases you obviously do not know what "freedom of speech" realy means.

And the goverment, companies or organisations have every right (in fact, the duty!) to try and stop such leaks by their "employees"! And as a beta tester you are a kind of "employee" of MS; you agree with keeping "employee-only" information to yourself. If you don't agree with it, you shouldn't be a tester in the first place, no harm done, and nobody would complain about it, simple as that.

* And that is exactly why people should blame these stupid leakers for MS not giving any more information to beta testers, butterflies and/or other insiders.

** I know I focus on you with this, absorbation. But this, obviously, goes for everybody else who agrees with you, it's not just a personal attack.

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Of course the world isn't going to end now, lol. But that doesn't mean no harm is done, nor does it mean you have the right to publish such info.

you're both looking at it differently - absorbation from a reporter's point of view (one who is not a tester, who seeks new information to publish ("A news reporter is someone who might receive information and it is his job to publish this")) and cookierevised from a beta tester's point of view, he who should not leak the information

if a beta tester leaks information is it a reporter's duty not to report it?

the beta tester shouldn't have leaked it, but the reporter's just doing his job

a reporter's not expected to know what's meant to be public and what's not

ethanp, exactly....

And the Messenger leaks are always done by beta testers and not by reporters. Reporters will not have access to such inside information in the first place. Such information is given to beta tester, not to reporters or public. So any "right to publish", "freedom of speech" or whatever other act used as an argument is not valid here.

If a reporter also happens to be a beta tester and he/she recieves inside info then he/she should be smart enough to understand that the info is given to the tester, not to the reporter, and should be kept private. Otherwise he/she is seriously abusing their priveledges as a tester and breaking trust acts and shouldn't be a tester in the first place.

Cookie you're missunderstanding the point. Absorbation isn't the one leaking the information, he's not the beta tester who is supossed to keep the info under wraps. He's a guy who's found out some info that someone else has leaked, MS has no control over who he tells that information, he's under no obligation to keep it quiet. So, like a newspaper, he has the freedom to do what he wants with it.

MS shouldn't be punishing people who post content that's now effectively general knowledge, they should be punishing the person responsible for the leak.

Quite frankly it's rude to go around threatening everyone with notices because they can. I'm sure many more people would be willing to take down the content if they were asked nicely.

I understand the point more than you know. And if you own a site/server on which leaked info is published, you are responsible too! It is even listed in the contract you sign when you use a hosting service that they can do whatever they want when you break the contract (by publishing or letting publish leaked private stuff). If you don't agree with it then don't use them as a hosting service. Although you will have a hard time finding a company who would allow such stuff. Absorbation is therefor also responsible for what other people write as a comment on his site (no matter if you have a disclaimer or not!). And his host can take his site down because of it. But that's another (though similar) discussion, which we had before.

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The thing which is discussed here is the right of publishing private stuff (or rather not having the right) which is given to you as a tester (refering to the top article written by Inky).

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he has the freedom to do what he wants with it.

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Originally posted by vaccination
MS shouldn't be punishing people who post content that's now effectively general knowledge, they should be punishing the person responsible for the leak.

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Quite frankly it's rude to go around threatening everyone with notices because they can. I'm sure many more people would be willing to take down the content if they were asked nicely.

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I stick to my principle policy. When a government report is leaked, newspapers freely published its contents.

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Despite I know it causes great problems when information is leaked, and can be costly to repair, it doesn't mean any company, organisation or government has the right to stop any form of media from talking about it.

I believe the Digital Millennium Copyright Act should only be used for infringement of copyright, and that alone.

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I don't really understand why Microsoft are so up tight about it, but it's their choice, and it should be respect.

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The thing which is discussed here is the right of publishing private stuff (or rather not having the right) which is given to you as a tester (refering to the top article written by Inky).

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he has the freedom to do what he wants with it.

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Sorry, but no. I'm very reluctant to say this but this is oh so typical internet-talk. In the real world he has not the right to do whatever he wants with it, even if he got that information from a 3rd party! The info still is and always will be the trade property of MS, and that gives them the right to take action. No matter if I, you or he likes it or not.

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MS shouldn't be punishing people who post content that's now effectively general knowledge, they should be punishing the person responsible for the leak.

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There is nothing "general knowledge" about the info he posted and certainly not what has been posted by Inky! It is private knowledge. You're twisting things around. The reason you might think it is "general knowledge" is exactly because it got leaked. It became so called "general knowledge", it was never general knowledge to begin with.

And as for the info Inky posted: if he didn't posted that nobody would know about this new design at all anyways. I serioulsy fail to see what general knowledge that is...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

Again, I like to take the comparisson with Plus! betas and the info Patchou posts to his testers. Nobody of the current testers is going to publish any information given be him in his emails without his approval. The same probably goes for MDL, SP, etc... And everybody understand this. Why is it that hard to understand this is the exact same thing for stuff posted by MS to its testers?

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You realy do not have the right to do what you want with any information you've found when that information is part of a trade secret or similar act. This has got nothing todo with freedom of speech either. Freedom of speech means the right to express your own opinion without fearing prosecuation or being shut down. It does not mean you have the freedom to publish property of a company or publish trade secrets!

You, as a non-tester, may read the articles and may now now the facts, but you may not spread that information any further either, or you'll risk the same 'punishment' as the inital leaker (where 'punishment' is quite often nothing at all; but that does not make it alright to do).

And that is what I mean with the oh-so-typical internet talk. Because more than often (mostly young) people think they can do whatever they want with the information the moment they find it on the net, source often doesn't even matter. And the fact that almost everybody on the net gets away with it increases this. And more than often they will use arguments like "freedom or speech" or "I'm not under nda, so I can" or whatever.

A newspaper may not publish trade secrets when they find some internal paper on a train, left by some employee of some company. The only thing they may publish is the fact that they found the paper, not what the trade secret paper itself said. If a newspaper would publish the actual contents I can assure you that they will be slapped around a bit with a big lawsuit and will loose.

This is kind of the same as a privacy issue. Except for the difference that with a trade secret and such stuff you're not dealing with a person but instead with a thing/idea/object/etc.

I see what you're saying. I'm undecided whether I think that should be the case or not though. From a company perspective it's a good thing, but hmm

hii,

wlm 2009 14.0.3921.717 today install

oo my good , pluslive-4.70.334  not authorize, problem ?

solution suggestion ? ( EMERGENCY )

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Originally posted by mula2001
hii,

wlm 2009 14.0.3921.717 today install

oo my good , pluslive-4.70.334  not authorize, problem ?

solution suggestion ? ( EMERGENCY )

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I was told you had to be a beta tester to use the "14.0.3921.717" build (like last time you had to be a beta tester to log in). How are these people beta testers..?

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Originally posted by mula2001
oo my good , pluslive-3.70.334  not authorize, problem ?

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Patchou has said that he is not going to support BETA software. You need to wait for the official release of WLM 2009.

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Originally posted by Phillip
I was told you had to be a beta tester to use the "14.0.3921.717" build (like last time you had to be a beta tester to log in). How are these people beta testers..?

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oo my good , pluslive-3.70.334  not authorize, problem ?

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"pluslive-3.70.334" only works with the older versions of messenger (7.5 and below).

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I never like leaked versions from WLM, becouse they are running on a small server.

Oh, btw, absorbation, quite frankly I hope you get a DMCA notice again, because you're aiding in spreading the leak. And this time it is not some 'user comment' which you can hide behind. I gave you the benefit of doubt and tried to understand your arguments before, but it appears you don't care at all that this gets leaked and spread or not. (EDIT: I see you removed the link)

Same for some other people here (looking at Nathan in particular). Instead of doing all innocent and hiding behind 'we don't break any rules' at least have the guts to say you're trying to spread it further.

Nice way to show you're trustable guys... not...
And that is what this is all about for me: trust...




And did you ever stood still by the fact that all this bussiness takes a lot of time from the people who are constantly need to report these things, time which could be used to do better things, like testing... Or that it again puts these forums on the report list for leaks? Is that what you want, that these forums are put on the same level next to the ones which make a sport out of leaking stuff?

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Oh, btw, absorbation, quite frankly I hope you get a DMCA notice again, because you're aiding in spreading the leak. And this time it is not some 'user comment' which you can hide behind. I gave you the benefit of doubt and tried to understand your arguments before, but it appears you don't care at all that this gets leaked and spread or not.

Same for some other people here (looking at Nathan in particular). Instead of doing all innocent and hiding behind 'we don't break any rules' at least have the guts to say you're trying to spread it further.

Nice way to show you're trustable guys... not...
And that is what this is all about for me: trust...




And did you ever stood still by the fact that all this bussiness takes a lot of time from the people who are constantly need to report these things, time which could be used to do better things, like testing... Or that it again puts these forums on the report list for leaks? Is that what you want, that these forums are put on the same level next to the onces which make a sport out of leaking stuff?

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Why? because I do take such things very seriously as trust, giving your word and sticking to it, and I don't like people who do all innocent and following the rules while they actually (try to) do the exact opposite or abusing the system by using 'backdoors'.

Maybe you should read again the posts I made in this thread to understand why.

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Same for some other people here (looking at Nathan in particular). Instead of doing all innocent and hiding behind 'we don't break any rules' at least have the guts to say you're trying to spread it further.

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Cookie, it's out. It's on the internet, there's no stopping it now, or even preventing it. What's the point in even trying too.

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I'm just helping the forum peeps.

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For the record, it is not allowed to link to leaked beta releases on these forums. That includes direct downloads and websites offering direct downloads.

Er.... i thought beta testers agreed to some ToS/NDA/agreement about information? when i was in the live beta, i am sure i agreed to some terms that i never read....



this is exactly why i don't like you nathan

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I downloaded it, installed it and tried it out. I dislike the feel of it. The contact list could have been designed so much better with little extra effort IMO. The chat window was nicely done though and can't wait to see what designs they come up with in future builds.

For all you chumps out there that are going to have a sad at me, yes I have uninstalled it, no I didn't send it to anyone, no I didn't put it on my blog or website and no I did not set up a small kiosk down at the local markets selling the lastest and greatest leaked software for $1.99. Also Cookie while you are telling all the members how aweful they are for linking to sites that have these screenshots, you may want to have a go at Rebel Sean as well for mentioning that JCXP site. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't have went there and even bothered installing the application. He is a "Butterfly" after all and should be more discreet on the subject.

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Also Cookie while you are telling all the members how aweful they are for linking to sites that have these screenshots, you may want to have a go at Rebel Sean as well for mentioning that JCXP site. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't have went there and even bothered installing the application. He is a "Butterfly" after all and should be more discreet on the subject.

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Also Cookie while you are telling all the members how aweful they are for linking to sites that have these screenshots, you may want to have a go at Rebel Sean as well for mentioning that JCXP site. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't have went there and even bothered installing the application. He is a "Butterfly" after all and should be more discreet on the subject.

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Very true indeed, and I missed that... Then again, there sure are many others who do/did such stuff, as such, my opinion and points I was trying to make go for them too of course, no exception.

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Cookie Its just a program (not even made by you or a company that you work for)

Relax...Everything on the internet nowadays gets leaked so don't lose sleep over it.


That being said, I believe Microsoft has blocked signing in to the new build for non official beta testers.

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Originally posted by riahc4
Cookie Its just a program (not even made by you or a company that you work for)

Relax...Everything on the internet nowadays gets leaked so don't lose sleep over it.


That being said, I believe Microsoft has blocked signing in to the new build for non official beta testers.

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Originally posted by riahc4
Cookie Its just a program (not even made by you or a company that you work for)

Relax...Everything on the internet nowadays gets leaked so don't lose sleep over it.


That being said, I believe Microsoft has blocked signing in to the new build for non official beta testers.

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That's what I had thought to till I installed it. It would be a smart idea though.

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Originally posted by riahc4
Cookie Its just a program (not even made by you or a company that you work for)
Relax...Everything on the internet nowadays gets leaked so don't lose sleep over it.

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I got a question if there is so much argument going over using a leaked beta then why is this thread even still open?

This is going to go for ages about people trying to justify why they can use a leaked beta.

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Originally posted by riahc4
Cookie Its just a program (not even made by you or a company that you work for)
Relax...Everything on the internet nowadays gets leaked so don't lose sleep over it.

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Sure, and that justifies everything now does it? Everything gets hacked these days, so lets just hack all of your accounts.

Read the small print, plus know the fact that genuine testers are punished because of all this since MS will trust them less and less and/or want to minimize the risk more and more, and thus wont let genuine testers have so much access to stuff anymore.

Which in the end results in having less time to find and report bugs in the wild, which on its turn means a less 'stable' client for _you_ to use!!! In essence you're not only punishing all of the butterflies, mvp's and other genuine testers, but you're also punishing yourself by seriously tampering with the proper and normal development of the program if you leak stuff or link to leaked stuff. Good job by being so shortsighted in that case...

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@Willz, I'm not so much argumenting against those who _use_ a leaked beta (although that isn't without consequences either), but far more about those who aid in the _spreading_ of leaked stuff, in whatever way.

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IT IS A PROGRAM MADE OF 0s AND 1s.

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But this doesnt affect you at all; A less reliable program? You wont die from it or suffer depressions. You wont lose money. Honestly, chill.

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Originally posted by riahc4
IT IS A PROGRAM MADE OF 0s AND 1s.

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So is your account and private data

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

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Originally posted by riahc4
IT IS A PROGRAM MADE OF 0s AND 1s.

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So is your account and private data

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

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Originally posted by riahc4
IT IS A PROGRAM MADE OF 0s AND 1s.

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So is your account and private data

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Originally posted by Nathan

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

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Originally posted by riahc4
IT IS A PROGRAM MADE OF 0s AND 1s.

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So is your account and private data

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lul, pwned

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Originally posted by riahc4
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