Just got a hold of the new beta version of 9.0, and was wondering if a Plus! update will be released anytime soon to work with this version? I haven't tried reinstalling Plus! yet, just assumed if it worked it'd've migrated across. I love the new design. If anyone wants screenshots of a certain feature i'll be happy to show them.

WLM is compatible with the latest WLM 9.0 BETA, which you should NOT be using

I keep repeating this in the hopes that some people will understand that they are holding up development of the program and ruining it for everyone else.

How am i holding up development it was sent out to me though the Microsoft Connect site?!?

MP!L does not load in this new build.

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WLM is compatible with the latest WLM 9.0 BETA

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Originally posted by SpunkyLoveMuff
WLM is compatible with the latest WLM 9.0 BETA

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It had better be...I can't imagine what I'd do if I got WLM 9 and it told me it wasn't compatible with itself

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Please do elaborate on how the development process is being held up by those select few who are using builds they shouldn't have?

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Originally posted by Music Head
Please do elaborate on how the development process is being held up by those select few who are using builds they shouldn't have?

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The latest version of Messenger Plus! Live DOES NOT work with the latest Windows Live Messenger 9.0 BETA (build: 14.03.3921.717)


Could we hope for a fast small update?



I' m really liking the new BETA, the new cosmetic feeling / GUI is actually very nice and have this "smooth feeling", didn't really like the move from MSN Messenger 7.0 to Windows Live Messenger 8.0, but this time I find things to move into the right direction!


Besides the cosmetic changes it doesn't seems to be that much new, it's all GUI changes (and some BUG fixed I guess)



All I need now is a Mess-Patch / A-Patch and Messenger Plus! Live working with this new version!

First of all, noone should be using the leaked build. It's not useful and of course, like any beta, has many problems and bugs.

Patchou does not and will not release a update to Messenger Plus! Live to support a beta build.

Please understand.

note to everyone: use whatever the hell build you want, but bugs are your own problem -- not ours, not microsoft's.

ermmm......

Yes, a new 9.0 Beta is going to be passed to a select few testers. If the guys here (Music Head, RamGuy) are in that group, then no, they wont held up development.

But ANYONE who is not an official beta tester and DID NOT got the (new) beta via the official channels, or ANYONE who leaks a private beta, DOES hold up development like explained by SpunkyLoveMuff.

Also, Music Head, the point of internal betas is quite often to test some specific stuff under special conditions. Those conditions and test cases are explained in the communication from MS. If you use something you shouldn't be using you don't have access to those notes, remarks and test cases. And that could cause problems to those who are trying to test stuff properly.

Not to mention the very simple fact that if you leak stuff or are using leaked stuff, MS will be less and less generous to those who can keep things to themselfs, just to minimize the chance that someone is cheating. So you actually are punishing the official testers and making it harder and harder for them to test your precious IM client. aka: less bugs and issues are found in the wild, not more!.

But, RamGuy, being a beta tester (and especially if you are in the first batch of testers who have the previledge to test this new version out as first) is not about simply 'having' a new version and then almost demanding that everything else is compatible with it. The point of getting the beta is to test it out, without any addons! Things will still change a lot till it is released, so it is useless to make stuff compatible just because you 'need' it with this version. That is totally not what being a tester is about.

just MHO...


As said by RebelSean, Plus! will not be made 100% compatible with an internal private beta. Unless the compatibility changes would be extremely simple to do.

If they were official beta testers then they'd understand add-ons can not be expected to work with it. They'd also understand that those add-on authors might not even have access to that version, let alone be able to provide a working version with it instantly....

They would also understand that outside official channels support for betas will and can not be given, so whatever bug comes from it will be their own to solve.

In short: they would not be here "demanding" a compatible Plus! version to begin with.

Whom is demanding anything?


I'm perfectly aware of what a "BEAT version" means, and I'm not here asking for bug feedback etc.. I'm simply confirming what is not working with this new build (Messenger Plus! Live did work with the previous 9.0 build), it's not like that's a bug, it's common sense that new versions often need updated add-ons.



I'm just saying that I really like the new build, I really enjoy the new cosmetic feeling, sadly there doesn't seem to be that many new features but the GUI itself keeps me using it!


I'm not demanding anything, I'm not complaining either.
Just saying that all I miss with this new build is the support of mess / a-patch and Messenger Plus! Live, I can't really see the harm in saying that?

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Could we hope for a fast small update?

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apatch is out

http://www.apatch.org/downloads.php

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Originally posted by RebelSean
First of all, noone should be using the leaked build. It's not useful and of course, like any beta, has many problems and bugs.

Patchou does not and will not release a update to Messenger Plus! Live to support a beta build.

Please understand.

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ermmm......

Yes, a new 9.0 Beta is going to be passed to a select few testers. If the guys here (Music Head, RamGuy) are in that group, then no, they wont held up development.

But ANYONE who is not an official beta tester and DID NOT got the (new) beta via the official channels, or ANYONE who leaks a private beta, DOES hold up development like explained by SpunkyLoveMuff.

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Patchou never made quick updates for past betas at all, the betas that he made an update for were those that were easier and public betas such as the 8.5 Beta and the widely released 9.0 Beta that was released / leaked. As far as i know those were the only releases that supported a beta, and that was simply because of the mass amount of people using the betas and the known length of time the beta was going to be available without change. As multiple people have stated, in Betas many things change, so there is no point making an effort to make something compatible when it could break again soon.

Also Windows Se7en was only provided to a select amount of partner companies in an effort to improve the compatibility issues that occurred during the release of Windows Vista, everyone knows of the Windows 7 release for torrents and stuff, not doubting that you may have legally obtained the beta, but the chances are slim. And believe it or not, when things are released and leaked publicly without Microsoft permission there are many more people using it than there should, therefore MS have a lot more work to do, and by downloading leaks your simply making MS more cautious about there releases to beta testers which DOES slow down the process.

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Not to mention, even if Patchou did support beta builds, the update would be heavily tested to make sure everything did play nice with a complete new version of WLM, which of course takes time too.

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Well Well, sounds like military talk "Patchou DOES NOT AND WILL NOT RELEASE A UPDATE". Sorry for asking Colonel Sir.

May i ask the Colonel a question Sir??

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    quoteriginally posted by vaccination
    Not to mention, even if Patchou did support beta builds, the update would be heavily tested to make sure everything did play nice with a complete new version of WLM, which of course takes time too.


Does that mean Patchou may need more testers to test Plus! so he is sure everything is fine? (Smilie)

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Originally posted by RebelSean
First of all, noone should be using the leaked build. It's not useful and of course, like any beta, has many problems and bugs.

Patchou does not and will not release a update to Messenger Plus! Live to support a beta build.

Please understand.

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Well Well, sounds like military talk "Patchou DOES NOT AND WILL NOT RELEASE A UPDATE". Sorry for asking Colonel Sir.

May i ask the Colonel a question Sir??

Why in the past Pachou did make quick updates for beta, and now he wont?? Sir.

God damn man, talk normal and not like a US Military man.

Peace & B-Wild

p.s. Nope i don;t understand it. Please Reply

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ermmm......

Yes, a new 9.0 Beta is going to be passed to a select few testers. If the guys here (Music Head, RamGuy) are in that group, then no, they wont held up development.

But ANYONE who is not an official beta tester and DID NOT got the (new) beta via the official channels, or ANYONE who leaks a private beta, DOES hold up development like explained by SpunkyLoveMuff.

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may is ask where you read this crap . I got my beta true some 1 from microsoft, not even true beta site of Microsoft it self, so that means personal of MS will hold up the development of this version. Ya right.

Let me think, when was that. O, yah 2-3 years ago, Microsoft launch his biggest beta test program in history with Vista. Did that hold up development, Nope it just help MS with that.

The same with Windows Se7en (Yes i have the first beta of it). MS even open up a site where the public can see what MS is doing with Windos Se7en.

So please stop the Bull about holding up development of WLM, in the past years more beta's leak and never did that stop or hold up the product.

So people test it like a motherF, and MS likes that.

Peace

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O, yah 2-3 years ago, Microsoft launch his biggest beta test program in history with Vista. Did that hold up development

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Originally posted by piposervisair

The same with Windows Se7en (Yes i have the first beta of it). MS even open up a site where the public can see what MS is doing with Windos Se7en.

So please stop the Bull about holding up development of WLM, in the past years more beta's leak and never did that stop or hold up the product.

So people test it like a motherF, and MS likes that.

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So people test it like a motherF, and MS likes that.

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If i remember correctly the following beta's were supported:
7
7.5
8(the many 8 beta's)
8.5
9

So preety much every one . But remember, im not saying this as fact, just as i remember.....

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O, yah 2-3 years ago, Microsoft launch his biggest beta test program in history with Vista. Did that hold up development

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Yes.

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If i remember correctly the following beta's were supported:
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So preety much every one . But remember, im not saying this as fact, just as i remember.....

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Well, the first BETA of WLM9.0 was supported, wasn't it?

And that has to be the most unfinished BETAs of all I've seen this far, the first WLM9.0 BETA was kinda a WLM8.5 with moving avatars and quite a few bugs, not even close to be the same as the new BETA.

But that one is supported? Go figure if Patchou doesn't update for minor leaked BETA release..

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As Cookie already explained, one shouldn't be using a beta build that isn't intended for them. When you use a beta, you're going to encounter many bugs and glitchs, which are going to simply piss a normal user off and in turn they're going to bitch. So it's our, the beta team, job to find the bugs etc and report them to the development team to get them fixed.

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it is indeed not a fact.

There were many betas for each major version you listed to begin with. And not all those betas were supported by Plus!. Only the public betas. And some of the private betas (which were certainly not alpha versions but versions which were know to be become public soon!!) were supported by beta versions of Plus! because they needed to be tested out with the new Plus! so it could be ready for the public. In some cases Plus! even reconized beta versions and refused to work with them.

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Care to explain how the first "BETA" of Live Messenger 9.0 got supported? It was a leaked BETA, it was in my opinion not worth the "BETA tag" but rather a "alpha tag".

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This is getting ridiculous . There´s no point in having pages long discussions without even a single post from Patchou.

Sure, we can hope for a quick Plus! update, I think every Plus! user hopes that. However, there are more changes (especially internally) in the new beta build, compared to the old 9.0 build. Making Plus! compatible with the new build wont be so easy as last time.

The reason for compatibility with last 9.0 build was because the beta testing stopped... new beta builds weren´t expected for a long time.
It´s different this time because the currently leaked build is already old according to mess.be, and beta testing will apparently be resumed shortly, meaning a lot of new builds and changes will be released. It wouldn´t be the first time MS completely changes the internal working in between two beta builds. I can understand why Patchou wouldn´t want to waste time on compatibility for each beta build if a new beta build might be released just a week later anyway.

But yes, we can hope.
 

RamGuy, you need to realise that there is a huge difference in Plus being able to integrate itself with a new version on it's own, and Patchou making an update.

Just because Plus sorta worked with the first beta, doesn't mean Patchou actually made an update(which he didn't, afaik.)

The only beta Patchou has ever made an actual update to Plus for is the 8.5 Public Beta, iirc, and that was only because it was public and practically a final version(at least that's what I believe to be his reasons for making an update for it, I'm not speaking for him =p).

Will there be multi-webcam in 9.0?

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But that doesn't mean it's stupid to ask nicely if Patchou might got plans for making a version that works with it, is it?

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The fact remains that Patchou will never make Plus! intentionally compatible with private WLM alpha/beta versions which are still going to change a lot in a short time.

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For now, no update is planned for the alpha/buggy/bad-looking version of WLM9 that was leaked a couple of days ago. Too much time involved in doing this kind of thing for no real purpose. We'll see how things go in the next couple of months.

What is the bad look of it then . I love the new look.

Hope to see update in next months or so, maybe some 1 will find out to make plus work with this.

I keep looking with google .

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What is the bad look of it then . I love the new look.

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Hope to see update in next months or so, maybe some 1 will find out to make plus work with this.

I keep looking with google .

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hi gives a beta or test version from the Messenger Plus! Live 5, i know that build it, but i have a messege from Microsoft to tested the Windows Live Messenger 9, and i think cool than can i testet the new Messenger Plus! Live version for Windows Live Messenger 9. Pleas give an answer from admins ore ride PrivatMessege in my forum profil.
mfg Sebi i take every tool on Windows Live Messenger 9!!! (german)

PS: German user used pleas: http://free-hack.com/viewtopic.php?t=55817&highlight=

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hi gives a beta or test version from the Messenger Plus! Live 5, i know that build it, but i have a messege from Microsoft to tested the Windows Live Messenger 9, and i think cool than can i testet the new Messenger Plus! Live version for Windows Live Messenger 9. Pleas give an answer from admins ore ride PrivatMessege in my forum profil.
mfg Sebi i take every tool on Windows Live Messenger 9!!! (german)

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i know but i think about it to testet the plus live 5... i know that an new version works ... i have a secred quell... but ...whathever
yehar... i wishe i was a plus live tester for the next fullversion 5!

German Messenger 9 News:
http://free-hack.com/viewtopic.php?p=411664#411664

Your English is pretty bad, i have a hard time understanding it. But there is no such thing as Messenger Plus! Live 5. There hasn't even been any planning on any version newer than 4.70.

If you want to be a betatester for the next version (when it does get made)... Stick around on the forums, when Patchou needs new testers he will post a thread about it, currently there is no way for new testers to apply.

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German Messenger 9 News:
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yes, sry my english is bad... sry.

how i finde the beta teser post????
-i want be an betertester!

New betatesters are not needed at the moment, so there is no beta tester post.

When Patchou does need new betatesters he will make a new post. But it could take months or years before he does, or it might not happen at all. Nobody knows.

thought only because the wlm9 ... Well you can not do anything cool it would be seen ...

Hi all, I'd like to say some things about the new WLM 9.0 Beta2.
First of all, I don't think that MS is going to change the GUI that much. The GUI of the first release of WLM9 was the same as 8.5. The only things that were changed were some new supports, i mean the gif pics, the login sound, the multi-pc-login, and so on.. The second release doesn't support something else, it's just the first release, with a changed GUI. I believe that microsoft had this planned, in the first release they only put new supports, and later on they changed the GUI to make the complete WLM 9. IF microsoft is going to release a new version (beta3), it will only have some bugs fixed, or/and some very small GUI things, like some buttons, or some buggy animations. It's just like the Vista thing, they had released the first betas and in the next betas they were only changing some small GUI things (like the close/minimize buttons). I'm not telling that I know for sure, but what I think, is that the GUI won't change any more in next betas, or in the stable version. Just some bugs. I really like the look of the beta2, and I'd love to see a plus! version supporting it. I know that it is just pain in the ass for Patchou to make a new version for a BETA, but keep in mind that if he do it now, he'll have less work to do when the final version is released. That was my opinion, thanks for reading.

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I know that it is just pain in the ass for Patchou to make a new version for a BETA, but keep in mind that if he do it now, he'll have less work to do when the final version is released.

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That's what I meant. But I think that all the big changes have already been done (GUI and Internal changes), so the final version is just going to have some bugs fixed, not so many things that has already done.. They have already built the WLM9, now they are just perfecting it.

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Originally posted by lykos1865
That's what I meant. But I think that all the big changes have already been done (GUI and Internal changes), so the final version is just going to have some bugs fixed, not so many things that has already done.. They have already built the WLM9, now they are just perfecting it.

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Okay, I was just thinking. But you people know better. Thanks anyway. See ya

sorry bad english, is expected date for the version compatible with the new Beta 9 ? or only when the new Beta is officially released ?


Thanks.

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For now, no update is planned for the alpha/buggy/bad-looking version of WLM9 that was leaked a couple of days ago. Too much time involved in doing this kind of thing for no real purpose. We'll see how things go in the next couple of months.

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For now, no update is planned for the alpha/buggy/bad-looking version of WLM9 that was leaked a couple of days ago. Too much time involved in doing this kind of thing for no real purpose. We'll see how things go in the next couple of months.

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OH MY GOOD!!! just imagine where skinning is going!!!

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Originally posted by dwergs@Mess.be
Forget about the leaked Windows Live Messenger 9 build, it is sooo last month. The LiveSide boys have discovered these two screenshots of what just might be the final version of Windows Live Messenger 9.


>> Screenshot of Main and Conversation windows.               >> Screenshot of Main window personalization options.


Let's sum up changes and possible new features we can derive from these visuals:

1) Main window header (dashboard) backgrounds are customizable.

2) New, bigger e-mail inbox icon located at the right in the header.

3) Personal Status Message (PSM) and "music you're currently listening to" are now separated.

4) Colored display picture frames show the contact's current status: green means available, yellow is away, red is busy, white means offline, pink means pimping. Ok, I made that last one up.

5) Buddy icons in the contact list are replaced with the similarly colored squares.

6) The What's new feed below your contact list keeps you posted on what your contacts are up to in terms of blogs posted or photos uploaded to Windows Live Spaces, files uploaded to Windows Live Skydrive, etc... the potential of this feature is huge). It'll also show a thumbnail picture if applicable and there's a personal feed per contact in the conversation window.

7) Promotional tabs have been moved to the footer, right above the banner ad.

By the way, dear Microsoft, before you send us another DMCA takedown notice, first check out who owns the domain these screenshots are hosted on.

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Ha looks like its gonna get worse that dashboard image replacement thing might cause problems. If its anything like how the contact cards do it its going to be a bit tricky to do.

XP users have nothing to worry about, the majority of problems for skinning will be caused by vista.

lol on a side note they copied the feature where the color of the display picture changes depending on status from me! I DEMAND REIMBURSEMENT!

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By the way, dear Microsoft, before you send us another DMCA takedown notice, first check out who owns the domain these screenshots are hosted on.

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By the way, dear Microsoft, before you send us another DMCA takedown notice, first check out who owns the domain these screenshots are hosted on.

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The pictures appear to be hosted on msghelp.net now, maybe  you should just link to it rather than hosting it... We don't want DMCA notices either lol

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By the way, dear Microsoft, before you send us another DMCA takedown notice, first check out who owns the domain these screenshots are hosted on.

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The pictures appear to be hosted on msghelp.net now, maybe  you should just link to it rather than hosting it... We don't want DMCA notices either lol

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I did that to avoid that if somebody erase the original files we won't have anyway of see the new features anymore... that is what dwergs wrote at mess.be not me...

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I was wondering where the space, telephone and all those icons will appear ...

This might be controversial but I actaully quite like the look of it

Although yeah, it could make skinning a bit of a nightmare.......but then again, if the interface is decent enough to start with it might reduce the necessity for skins to make it look good

hey i just noticed something. In the left screenshot look at what the ad says:

"Feb 10: In what the writers guild is calling "the best.....""

lol that news item is about the the writers strike how long could MS have had this for..... hmm interesting

Wow...7 months and not leaked...that's quite impressive, lol

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Wow...7 months and not leaked...that's quite impressive, lol

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Interesting that the two screenshots (or mock-ups) are from different stages - the one on the left seems newer than the other one.

The left one uses "Available" as a contact status, whereas the right one uses "Online"; The search for contacts word wheel has different text; The new emails icon on the right hand side of the contact list looks far smoother and more perfected on the left hand image.

I'd be willing to bet the left hand image is a newer build, either that or it's what they're working towards from the right hand image.

* RebelSean wonders why his build of M2 doesn't look like that.



P.S. I didn't think anyone was going to catch the date .

i reckon those pics are just a mockup ..surely mess.be wouldnt be stupid enough to post more pics WLM9 Legit pics on there site an knowing M$$ wil come along an slap a notice

Mess.be didn't post the new screenshots, LiveSide was the one to find them.

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Mess.be didn't post the new screenshots, LiveSide was the one to find them.

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No, LiveSide is not owned by Microsoft. They do however have good connections with people at MS. A bunch of their posters are MS MVPs.

Knowing LiveSide's newsposts from the past I'd say these are real screenshots. The changing border color on the DP containers also confirms some resources Willz found in the last leaked build.

Interesting. If they are going to have the DP borders coloured, they better be colourizable, that green is horrible

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Interesting. If they are going to have the DP borders coloured, they better be colourizable, that green is horrible

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"Diane Tibbott" is an actual real Microsoft employee btw, just do a search on her name .  I highly doubt they would take the time to add real names in their mockups. These screenshots look like material they would use on the official Messenger Space or their download site.

I guess this build hits the public pretty soon.

ummm... i would like to beta test the new patchou's version ^^ as soon as it's released, please, send me a message to test it and i'll gladly do it

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ummm... i would like to beta test the new patchou's version ^^

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Sry, but I'm not a beta tester!
I have the Messenger 9 tested but ... (downloaded from other sources) is the sort of shit      >.<undefined

         
You can't use "Messene Plus! Live - AdOn"  on MSM9.

The windows are huge and anything silly!

ummm... ok, but i would appreciate if you could send me a new message when the new plus! live is released.... i'm a little bit frustrated with MSN 9.0's  options.... i do need the new Plus! Live version the newer version would be great if it had plus live Good luck on developing it!!

   
hehehe.
  I build "plus! live" not xD
You musst aktivate "Auto Updates for messenger plus live! in msn8. than you become a new alert to isntall a new version for plus live...

pleas dont take msn9... its fucking bad ^^... it is good for  plus live to not build a new version for msn9! but msn 8 is the best msn ever...

(Sry for bad english

Windows Live Messenger 2009 BETA has been released to the public.

Download here http://download.live.com/messenger
You are allowed to use it. Its not a copy, its the real thing. As the website is Microsofts Official Site.

Thanks.

So is WLM Plus going to be made for WLM 2009? The Stable Release. And not for 2009 BETA?

DJBoddington.

This thread may help you
http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=85992

T_T man.... i really wanted a newer version for MSN 9.0 although it's crapy, i think that it has a lot of new features which can become useful, and since it is being released for the public, i would really love to see patchou's new version working as great as always! by the way i don't know if you've noticed but i'm not so good at english... that's because i'm not from USA either sorry if miss spelling or typ-o's appear in my messages

jeje, me again

I've read elsewhere that the great team of Plus! Live, is already beta testing it i'm so glad!! it's only mater of time -.- unluckily we have to wait cause time can't be fast forwarded... but i really believe that is worth waiting for they always deliver great programs by the way, patchou said that it all depends on  Windows Messenger Live 9.0 final release, since it started to be released, WLM 9.0 Beta has changed twice.. (i'm a little bit of a MSN freak xD) but the logical guess in this situation, is that Patchou wouln't like to release a Plus! version and than find out that scripting on WLM is different than what he thought

well im not sure but i downloaed the beta of the offcail live site so if i didnt get it legit microsoft should have replaced the words download the new beta now with ur not ament to click this big download now button its just to tease you this is for  beta testers only if this breaks your computer its your fault so as a sucker the words download no drew me in and i downloaded it  assuming that add ons would work as well as old features as i didnt see and warning s or messages

this is a link to download for free the new Beta Version, but, as mentioned earlier, there's no Plus! version for it

http://www.filehippo.com/download_msn_messenger/d...abe6599524cd15c3a/