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RE: Compatibility with Messenger 2009 Beta by CalumJR on 11-02-2008 at 12:04 AM
Thank you very much Patchou! 
One question though:
The user interface looks a bit broken & way too big (especially the event notification toasts)... is this because it is a beta version? Or is there something wrong with either my PC or the build of Messenger Plus Live?
Also, the buttons do not have text on them lol, so I don't know what I'm pressing half the time...
Do other people get these problems?
RE: Compatibility with Messenger 2009 Beta by Nathan on 11-02-2008 at 12:22 AM
cJR can you post a screenshot please?
RE: Compatibility with Messenger 2009 Beta by markee on 11-02-2008 at 12:23 AM
quote:The toasts are roughly the same size as the WLM toasts, this is for consistency for the user. The other interfaces need to be their size because of the amount of features and the allocation for extra space so the interfaces don't need to be changed for other languages.
Originally posted by cJr.
The user interface looks a bit broken & way too big (especially the event notification toasts)... is this because it is a beta version? Or is there something wrong with either my PC or the build of Messenger Plus Live?
quote:I think there might be something wrong with you language file. You could try re-installing MP!L
Originally posted by cJr.
Also, the buttons do not have text on them lol, so I don't know what I'm pressing half the time...
RE: Compatibility with Messenger 2009 Beta by CalumJR on 11-02-2008 at 12:32 AM
@Nathan & markee:
Thank you for the help, I have found out the problem 
I use a small program called GDI++ which makes Windows Vista's font rendering just like Mac OS X (it looks beautiful 
) I have just disabled it & Messenger Plus Live's interface looks just as it should! 
normal!
The only problem is... I love GDI++ & after disabling it & seeing how horrible my Windows font rendering now looks, I don't know if I can live without GDI++ enabled (just like I can't live without Messenger Plus Live ).
So basically I'm saying Messenger Plus Live is incompatible with GDI++
Would you still like me to post screenshots? Does anybody, Patchou included, know if this is fixable at all?
RE: Compatibility with Messenger 2009 Beta by Nathan on 11-02-2008 at 12:45 AM
Yeha posting a screenshot as a reference would be great. Patchou can have a look at it and see if it's easy enough fix - and maybe implement the fix for the next version(s).
Not promising anything though.
RE: Compatibility with Messenger 2009 Beta by CalumJR on 11-02-2008 at 01:41 AM
Thank you Nathan here are some screenshots (let me know if you need any more please ):
Event notification:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/calumr69/...ts/msgplusbug1.jpg
Password window:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/calumr69/...ts/msgplusbug2.jpg
Preferences window:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/calumr69/...ts/msgplusbug3.jpg
The reason I can't live without GDI++ (lol):
My system with GDI++ enabled:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/calumr69/...derringwithGDI.jpg
My system without GDI++ (notice the font renderring looks horrible - Windows Vista's default):
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/calumr69/...ringwithoutGDI.jpg
A link to the GDI++ program:
EDIT (found the link):
http://reader.feedshow.com/show_items-feed=564adc...f6e0af4f39972ff59a
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by Th3rmal on 11-02-2008 at 01:57 AM
IMO the changes made by GDI++ arent that great, and with like a little time you could get used to vistas default font again. However we might as well see if there is a fix for this first before having you switch programs/stop using programs
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by ShawnZ on 11-02-2008 at 02:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cJr.
(notice the font renderring looks horrible - Windows Vista's default):
it looks way better without gdi++
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by Nathan on 11-02-2008 at 02:20 AM
Instead of using gdi++, try this:
http://www.ioisland.com/cleartweak/index.php
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by CalumJR on 11-02-2008 at 08:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ShawnZ
quote:
Originally posted by cJr.
(notice the font renderring looks horrible - Windows Vista's default):
it looks way better without gdi++
Have you tried it on your computer yourself? My screenshot is horrible & blurry, but if you tried it yourself, there's a good chance you would change your mind
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan
Instead of using gdi++, try this:
http://www.ioisland.com/cleartweak/index.php
Thank you. I am downloading it now to see if it helps me
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by CalumJR on 11-04-2008 at 01:07 AM
OK, I tried ClearTweak & it doesn't do anything much, especially not to the level of GDI++
I don't know whether it was better before I installed GDI++, but now when I uninstall it, my font rendering looks terrible - It looks worse than it should be, I reckon, but that's not the point I'm getting at.
I don't really think I can live without GDI++ installed & I am sure this would be an easy fix to make (as every other single program I have come across works perfectly & looks as it should whilst I'm using GDI++ - even MessengerDiscovery does, but I uninstalled that because of the bugs & the fact I prefer MessengerPlus Live).
So, is there any way this could become a high priority fix please as I imagine it could easily be fixed.
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by Th3rmal on 11-04-2008 at 01:51 AM
quote:I doubt it would become high priority, as its not a program that is used by a majority of Plus! users.
Originally posted by cJr.
So, is there any way this could become a high priority fix please as I imagine it could easily be fixed.
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by CalumJR on 11-07-2008 at 08:32 PM
I am not authorised to PM Patchou.
Is there any chance somebody may please alert him to this bug.
I see it as a critical bug which may easily be fixed. It may prevent me from using Messenger Plus Live
RE: RE: Compatibility with Messenger 2009 Beta by Bad Cyborg on 11-26-2008 at 03:20 AM
I actually came in here looking for GDI++ solution for Windows Mobile. But while I'm here I thought I'd do some damage.
quote:
Originally posted by cJr.
The reason I can't live without GDI++ (lol):
My system with GDI++ enabled:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/calumr69/...derringwithGDI.jpg
My system without GDI++ (notice the font renderring looks horrible - Windows Vista's default):
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/calumr69/...ringwithoutGDI.jpg
Now, I'm an advocate for Freetype, but I hardly blame others for not seeing anything special in these comparative shots. Honestly they're not any different from each other after you've compressed the pictures to the extend where Cleartype becomes blurred out enough to almost resemble Freetype. Remember, JPEG compression works like poor man's antialiasing, it adds artifact that smooth out a picture's rough edges. Here then is the real reason why millions of (mostly Asian) users are turning to GDI++. Observe.
Without Freetype, your web would look like this.
With Freetype, something magical happens.
Anyway instead of waiting for this Messenger Live to support GDI++, why not give Digsby a go instead? It works well with GDI++, and it supports every IM protocol out there. If it doesn't work for you, at least it'll tide you over until Messenger Live finally does what you want.
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by Spunky on 11-26-2008 at 08:49 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Bad Cyborg
at least it'll tide you over until Messenger Live finally does what you want
Which it probably won't do.
quote:
Originally posted by Bad Cyborg
Without Freetype, your web would look like this.
With Freetype, something magical happens.
Ah, now it's much clearer
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by CalumJR on 11-26-2008 at 11:22 AM
If you compare my screenshots side-by-side, there is actually a fair difference (look at the text on the folders of the start menu). There could, however, be more of a difference as my first screenshot does not show off the awful default Windows font rendering as efficient as it could.
Your screenshots look even more awful.
I'm sure it would be a simple fix to get it to work with GDI++ as every single program I have tried does work with it. Let's face it, if any one of you tried GDI++ on your Vista system and checked the results before or after, whether you like it or not, you will have to admit that it looks sexier (and in my opinion, better).
As for using Digsby, I just can't. The new Windows Live Messenger wave 3 version (2009) is just too good and has the Windows Live integration I love. Also, MessengerPlus has some really amazing features and with these two together in a combination, it makes my Instant Messaging experience brilliant.
@Spunky: Why don't you try GDI++ if you are using Windows Vista? Please form your own opinion on it, instead of being biased at the fact that MessengerPlus! Live doesn't support it. Even though it's probably never going to support it, you could still like the effect it gives.
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by Spunky on 11-26-2008 at 12:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cJr.
@Spunky: Why don't you try GDI++ if you are using Windows Vista? Please form your own opinion on it, instead of being biased at the fact that MessengerPlus! Live doesn't support it. Even though it's probably never going to support it, you could still like the effect it gives.
I've tried it before making that post... Guess why I don't have it now
RE: [split] incompatibility with GDI++ by RaceProUK on 11-27-2008 at 08:37 PM
quote:So, for best screenshot comparisons, use PNG
Originally posted by Bad Cyborg
Remember, JPEG compression works like poor man's antialiasing