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RE: RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 01:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Patchou
Note: if you're not on the list of winners and fileld the winning form at some point, it's because you cheated or somebody else cheated with your msn account. There's just no way to go around it and thsoe who deny it will see their click grid posted on the forum as public proof.
Patchou, frist of all, sorry about my english. I'm brazilian.
Yes, I cheated at the first time that I saw this game (week 3) and I found a prize. But after it, I was imagining that people aren't too stupid to make a click-game and do not create a way to check if people are cheating, and I started to read the rules, and Bingo! I saw this in the rules. After it I stoped to play cheating because it will only waste my time. And I started the fair play, because it will be the only way to win a prize. And on week 3 I found my frist prize and on week 4 I found another one practicing a fair play.
I really want you guys post my click grid after the first prize that I found because you'll see that I played trully.
Graciously,
Thiago Bittencourt.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by Menthix on 08-15-2009 at 01:52 AM
quote:At that point you already broke the rules though. It doesn't matter if you only cheated a little. Rules are rules.
Originally posted by pardaL
I started to read the rules, and Bingo! I saw this in the rules. After it I stoped to play cheating
If you steal something from your work, but play by the rules in the weeks after, you are still fired by the end of the month when your boss finds out.
RE: RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by Menthix
At that point you already broke the rules though. It doesn't matter if you only cheated a little. Rules are rules.
Menthix, yes. Rules are rules. And I didn't see in the rules that if a player starts cheating he/she will gain nothing anymore, even if he/she stops cheating.
In those rules was "writen":
If you cheat you'll gain nothing. If you play nice you'll gain a prize if you find it. (i just simplified the text)
Like you said: "Rules are rules".
quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
If you steal something from your work, but play by the rules in the weeks after, you are still fired by the end of the month when your boss finds out.
Yes, I agree. But, what I stole?
In another words, you are saying that if a man goes to jail and comes back, he'll never be a good person again?
Just think before write.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by prashker on 08-15-2009 at 03:16 AM
quote:Completely oversimplified, too big of a scale to compare to a contest
Originally posted by pardaL
In another words, you are saying that if a man goes to jail and comes back, he'll never be a good person again?
.Besides the fact that you're an idiot for cheating, I hope you learned your lesson, good luck next year
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RE: RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by segosa on 08-15-2009 at 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by pardaL
And now a 16 years boy came to talk...
Yes, because 16 year olds aren't able to do this whole thinking thing.
Look, you cheated, you were caught, live with it. If you wanted a chance to get a prize, you shouldn't have cheated in the first place.
If you want to use your shitty prison analogy, then sure: next time there's a msgplus contest, you'll be given a fresh chance to participate without cheating.
RE: RE: RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by segosa
Look, you cheated, you were caught, live with it. If you wanted a chance to get a prize, you shouldn't have cheated in the first place.
I think you guys, like everyone, must respect the rules.
If the rules don't say anything about a cheater that stops cheating to play nice. You guys can't say it now.
Like you are trying to do, use the sense, and respect the rules.
quote:
Originally posted by segosa
If you want to use your shitty prison analogy, then sure: next time there's a msgplus contest, you'll be given a fresh chance to participate without cheating.
My shitty prison anaLogy? I don't need analogies. I just said that to tell to Menthix uses a more similar analogy. I am not here to play with "The Most Intelligente Analogy".
RE: RE: RE: RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by segosa on 08-15-2009 at 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by pardaL
quote:
Originally posted by segosa
Look, you cheated, you were caught, live with it. If you wanted a chance to get a prize, you shouldn't have cheated in the first place.
I think you guys, like everyone, must respect the rules.
If the rules don't say anything about a cheater that stops cheating to play nice. You guys can't say it now.
Like you are trying to do, use the sense, and respect the rules.
quote:
Originally posted by segosa
If you want to use your shitty prison analogy, then sure: next time there's a msgplus contest, you'll be given a fresh chance to participate without cheating.
My shitty prison anaLogy? I don't need analogies. I just said that to tell to Menthix uses a more similar analogy. I am not here to play with "The Most Intelligente Analogy".
The rules say "no cheating"; once you broke that, you lost your right to demand that anything be done for you. Have you ever heard of hypocrisy? Why are you telling us to respect the rules when you have no respect for them yourself as evidenced by the fact that you cheated?
If you don't need analogies, then why are you using them? It is indeed a shitty analogy, but it still applies if you spin it the correct way, and not the wrong way like you were.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by Th3rmal on 08-15-2009 at 04:19 AM
quote:Dude I think segosa just lawyered you
Originally posted by segosa
quote:
Originally posted by pardaL
quote:
Originally posted by segosa
Look, you cheated, you were caught, live with it. If you wanted a chance to get a prize, you shouldn't have cheated in the first place.
I think you guys, like everyone, must respect the rules.
If the rules don't say anything about a cheater that stops cheating to play nice. You guys can't say it now.
Like you are trying to do, use the sense, and respect the rules.
quote:
Originally posted by segosa
If you want to use your shitty prison analogy, then sure: next time there's a msgplus contest, you'll be given a fresh chance to participate without cheating.
My shitty prison anaLogy? I don't need analogies. I just said that to tell to Menthix uses a more similar analogy. I am not here to play with "The Most Intelligente Analogy".
The rules say "no cheating"; once you broke that, you lost your right to demand that anything be done for you. Have you ever heard of hypocrisy? Why are you telling us to respect the rules when you have no respect for them yourself as evidenced by the fact that you cheated?
If you don't need analogies, then why are you using them? It is indeed a shitty analogy, but it still applies if you spin it the correct way, and not the wrong way like you were.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 04:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by segosa
The rules say "no cheating"; once you broke that, you lost your right to demand that anything be done for you. Have you ever heard of hypocrisy? Why are you telling us to respect the rules when you have no respect for them yourself as evidenced by the fact that you cheated?
Hypocrisy? Yes I do. Do you? You are telling me to respect the rules and you are not doing it.
And don't say that I broke the rules because I didn't know that there were rules. After my thought that I search for the rules, read it, and when I realized that there were rules, I started to respect them.
quote:
Originally posted by segosa
If you don't need analogies, then why are you using them? It is indeed a shitty analogy, but it still applies if you spin it the correct way, and not the wrong way like you were.
Didn't you read what I wrote? Am I need to brush for you understanding? I'll try again.
I just used that analogy to tell in between lines to Menthix to use a more similar analogy. I am not here to play with "The Most Intelligente Analogy" and even use it to try to explaing me.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by segosa on 08-15-2009 at 04:31 AM
.. I doubt it. That's just my interpretation of it, and how I think it should be done. It makes sense to me.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 04:42 AM
You doubt it? Do you know where were the link to the rules? In a realy bad place.
I don't care if you doubt it or no. I'm just saying to respect the rules. And if the rules says that if you play nice and find a prize you'll gain it, it needs to be respected. And if the rules says nothing about a person who started cheating and stoped cheating to play nice, it can't be created now when the game finished.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by Volv on 08-15-2009 at 06:24 AM
quote:Wait, but you did cheat. Your very own paraphrasing says nothing about having to be cheating at the moment that the prize is won, "If you cheat, you'll gain nothing".
Originally posted by pardaL
In those rules was "writen":
If you cheat you'll gain nothing. If you play nice you'll gain a prize if you find it. (i just simplified the text)
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by Th3rmal on 08-15-2009 at 06:28 AM
quote:Dude its just a toy, get over it
Originally posted by pardaL
You doubt it? Do you know where were the link to the rules? In a realy bad place.
I don't care if you doubt it or no. I'm just saying to respect the rules. And if the rules says that if you play nice and find a prize you'll gain it, it needs to be respected. And if the rules says nothing about a person who started cheating and stoped cheating to play nice, it can't be created now when the game finished.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by vaccination on 08-15-2009 at 09:54 AM
quote:No. The rules don't say "If you cheat you will gain nothing* however if you then play nice again you will be back in with a chance if winning again" They say "If you cheat you will win nothing. If you don't cheat you can win." Meaning once you cheat, the contest is over for you, indefinitely.
Originally posted by pardaL
And if the rules says nothing about a person who started cheating and stoped cheating to play nice, it can't be created now when the game finished.
*Definition of nothing: Nothing is a concept that describes the absence of anything at all.
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As for your argument that you "didn't know the rules", that's a silly argument, cheating is never accepted in a competition and you know this[hence why you got scared and decided to check the rules]. Secondly, as for not seeing the rules, aren't they shown when you first start the contest?
I'm sorry but I think you're trying to play everyone for a fool, and even if you're not rules are rules, and they're not debatable.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by John Anderton on 08-15-2009 at 10:47 AM
Its just sad how this happens every time.
If you have problems, simply stay away.. I'm pretty sure Patch had a clause in the rules stating his decision on this whole thing is final and he is a pretty fair guy so he wouldn't have kicked someone off the winners list without having a good reason
So lets just move on, shall we?
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by kotjze on 08-15-2009 at 01:10 PM
quote:OK. I didn't know there were rules about not driving drunk, so I went out and drove drunk and got pulled over by a cop. I told him I didn't know there was a rule about not driving drunk so there was no way I could have broken that rule, and so he didn't arrest me! zomg!
Originally posted by pardaL
And don't say that I broke the rules because I didn't know that there were rules.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by Menthix on 08-15-2009 at 01:29 PM
quote:That's common sense IMO, but if you really do want it spelled out:
Originally posted by pardaL
And I didn't see in the rules that if a player starts cheating he/she will gain nothing anymore, even if he/she stops cheating.
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"all winnings", that includes before and after you were cheating.
RE: RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by kotjze
OK. I didn't know there were rules about not driving drunk, so I went out and drove drunk and got pulled over by a cop. I told him I didn't know there was a rule about not driving drunk so there was no way I could have broken that rule, and so he didn't arrest me! zomg!
(And here comes another analogy...)
I'll brush for you guys that I'm not here to play with analogies.
(but ok, let's answer him too...)
Kotjze, you drove drunk and got arrested. Now you can't drive anymore because you already drove drunk and broke the rules. Isn't it fair?
quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:
Originally posted by Rules
(...) Using any kind of automated mechanism to play for an extended period of time will automatically result in the cancellation of all winnings. (...)
And what period of time is it?
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by Volv on 08-15-2009 at 02:27 PM
The point is that you're not getting a prize. If you want you can sue him and have a judge make a fool of you, not that you need much help with that.
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by prashker on 08-15-2009 at 02:29 PM
YOU ARE NOT GETTING A PRIZE
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by Menthix on 08-15-2009 at 02:33 PM
quote:Long enough to get noticed, like you did.
Originally posted by pardaL
And what period of time is it?
RE: Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 02:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Volv
The point is that you're not getting a prize. If you want you can sue him and have a judge make a fool of you, not that you need much help with that.
Volv, I think you are another one that have a dificult understanding.
(It's starting being tiring...)
I'm realy not here, answering you guys, spending my patience and my time, just for the prize. I don't care much about the prizes. And I'm realy not here to offend you guys and be offended. I don't need to reach this point because you already do it with yourself when you write your posts. I'm just here again, answering again, because always when I come I see another fool post. But I'm tired about it and I'm done.
I just think you guys aren't being fair and aren't respecting the rules.
RE: [split] Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results: playing fair after cheating and still n by vaccination on 08-15-2009 at 02:57 PM
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RE: [split] Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results: playing fair after cheating and still no prize by pardaL on 08-15-2009 at 03:05 PM
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Hrhr and now I'm done.
RE: [split] Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results: playing fair after cheating and still no prize by vaccination on 08-15-2009 at 03:16 PM
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RE: [split] Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results: playing fair after cheating and still n by Volv on 08-15-2009 at 03:24 PM
quote:The only fool here is you. The rules are clear. No one is being unfair here except for you, it's not okay to cheat some of the time (by the rules or otherwise), you gave yourself an unfair advantage whether or not you won a prize while you were actually cheating.
Originally posted by pardaL
quote:
Originally posted by Volv
The point is that you're not getting a prize. If you want you can sue him and have a judge make a fool of you, not that you need much help with that.
Volv, I think you are another one that have a dificult understanding.
(It's starting being tiring...)
I'm realy not here, answering you guys, spending my patience and my time, just for the prize. I don't care much about the prizes. And I'm realy not here to offend you guys and be offended. I don't need to reach this point because you already do it with yourself when you write your posts. I'm just here again, answering again, because always when I come I see another fool post. But I'm tired about it and I'm done.
I just think you guys aren't being fair and aren't respecting the rules.
RE: RE: [split] Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results: playing fair after cheating and sti by ShawnZ on 08-15-2009 at 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by vaccination
RE: [split] Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results: playing fair after cheating and still no prize by kotjze on 08-15-2009 at 06:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by pardaL
Kotjze, you drove drunk and got arrested. Now you can't drive anymore because you already drove drunk and broke the rules. Isn't it fair?
Exactly. And you cheated and got caught. Now you can't win prizes anymore because you already cheated and broke the rules. Isn't it fair?
RE: [split] Contest 2009: Week 3 & 4 Results: playing fair after cheating and still no prize by Patchou on 08-15-2009 at 09:22 PM
In-cre-dible... some people really got some nerves. Thanks for all your answers. See, it's proof we can still have fun on this forum after so many years. 
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