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Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Patchou on 04-28-2003 at 06:18 AM

Hello everybody,

at last, the new version of Messenger Plus! has been released. It contains many fixes, new sounds, ... you've really got to upgrade :).

The new version can be download at http://www.msgplus.net/index.php?view=download
To see a complete history of the changed, check out http://www.msgplus.net/index.php?view=version

Have fun!
Patchou





RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by billywoods1 on 04-28-2003 at 06:20 AM

Great work, Patchou!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 04-28-2003 at 06:21 AM

GREAT work Patchou and GFD!!!!!!!!! The site REALLY KICKS ASS!!!!!!!

I did not expect that i was waiting for all of it *so* much! You know..

On weekends and vakations my normal time of goin' to bed is 1:00 - 2:00 (yesterdy was a weekend of a vakation :gfdrin: ). Than next day u wake up *never* earlyer than 12:30, sometimes even 14:00. And the day before yesterday i did not sleep a lot.

But.. yesterday i went to bed at 1:33, and today i woke op at 6:10. I was tryin' to sleep some time, but it did not work... I was only thinkin' on new Website and new Plus!, and i could not concentrate on anythin' else, i could not even relax :D. After some time i started to get a lot of nightmares of *very* ugly New Website of Plus! [Image: xso_grin.gif] (yes, i use GRIN this time, not GFDrin [Image: refuck.gif]). At 6:40 i realised that i really cant speep any more, and at 6:50 i was behind my PC.

I was really pissed off when i went to http://msgplus.patchou.com, and got message like this:

"Error:

You do not have permission to access this server.

http://msgplus.patchou.com"

After that i have downloaded the new version from the Mirror thread here on forum, and when i installed it, it directed me to new "First Time Page". Than i just clecked on "Home", and explorered the whole site :gfdrin:.

It is GREAT!!!

Really VERY professional, very usefull, very beautifull!!!!!! ;) Great work GFD and Patchou! :P


And, GFD, i have also seen *your* new GFDD site, it kicked my ass like nothin' before!!! I have never seen anythin' more professional, beautifull, easy, usefull, cool, modern, {all the other good words here}

Thanks to ALL you guys (and maybe bitches) for help, thanks to Patchou, thanks to GFD, thanks to all the Translators, thanks to all the Alfa and Beta testers, thanks to all the people who use :plus2:

!!!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by DXtremz on 04-28-2003 at 06:23 AM

Great Patchou! Wonderful Job! Your awesome. I wish I was as good as you :P...That could never happen though. Anyway, hope you enjoy your "break" you deserve one!

Mirror 1 (Mine): http://www.eckohost.com/~pluslite/MsgPlus.exe
Mirror 2 (Freaky's) http://users.skynet.be/fa366168/MsgPlus.exe


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Monarch on 04-28-2003 at 06:24 AM

thanks patchou...:D:D

got one question about the store.. well i would like to have my name printed on the back of the shirt.. that would be much better.. is it possible..

words on the back----

                Monarch
     Proud Messenger Plus User (or something similar)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by 2Pac on 04-28-2003 at 06:27 AM

Thank you soo much Patchou!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Yellow Lepricorn on 04-28-2003 at 06:40 AM

THANKS PATCHOU!!!
ITS IS SOOO COOL!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Chode on 04-28-2003 at 06:53 AM

Good job patchou....You rock(Y)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Patchou on 04-28-2003 at 06:56 AM

sorry, no customized tshirts can be done by cafepress.com :).


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by dom. on 04-28-2003 at 07:07 AM

Well done!


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Monarch on 04-28-2003 at 07:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by dannyres
wooohooooo anyone know any new sound things yet?

Dan


hey danny just goto plus menu in the chatbox.. they all r listed over there..

plus - sendcommand - sound



RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Sick0 on 04-28-2003 at 07:25 AM

so where is your adress patchou so we can send you some postcards ;)

And MSNPLUS 2.10 LOOKS GREATTTTT :)


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Sick0 on 04-28-2003 at 07:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Koala Blue
Great job Patchou and GFD (Y)

Sick0, have look on the new site for where to send Patchou a Postcard....

http://www.msgplus.net/index.php?view=postcard


no i didn't :)

* Sick0 is going to look for a nice postcard :)

maybe more then one :P to honor the great patchou
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by GroteSmurf on 04-28-2003 at 08:19 AM

The new version is fantastic :-D. The new website looks also very good! Thanks a lot Patchou and GFD :bow:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by AzNiNsEcT on 04-28-2003 at 08:28 AM

rrrrrraaaaaaarrrrrggggggghhhhh!!!!! i dun like bein in a different time zone, u haveta wait longer, but it was worth it!!!!!! :D:D:D:D :bow: :bow:
is this officially a non beta? 


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 04-28-2003 at 08:42 AM

yes, absolutely :gfdrin:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by rafael_van_der_linden on 04-28-2003 at 09:36 AM

Ok, also the Webpage and the new sounds KICK ASS!!!!!!!!!!

YEAH


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Sick0 on 04-28-2003 at 09:45 AM

wheeee patchou when you get your postcard... gimme a call aiight :P

and it cost me 0.70 € for sending it :P

it better get there :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Mnjul on 04-28-2003 at 10:13 AM

Patchou! you finally made ittttttt!
anyway, I will send you a postcard after my sucking mid-term exam(go find a very good one ofcourse;)

due to my age i can't pay anything by credit card...but i'm now trying to find alternative ways like paypal in taiwan....or something else;)

and btw gfd, the site is...fantastic!

:gfdrin::gfdrin::gfdrin::gfdrin::gfdrin::gfdrin::gfdrin::gfdrin:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by ahtea on 04-28-2003 at 10:16 AM

This new version really rocks! :P Keep up the good work patchou


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by jesscurtis on 04-28-2003 at 10:44 AM

Very good Patchou!

been waiting for this for ages...

1 problem though... i am still having trouble with POP email, it still wont work with some email severs.. such as my on domain mail.

Keep up the good work

Jess


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by fleetadmiralmatt on 04-28-2003 at 11:39 AM

OMGoodness that is one AMAZIGN SITE!!!!
The program is so great, the site is so amazing!!!

Thanks for all your hard work!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by crazihouse on 04-28-2003 at 11:47 AM

thank you so much patchou! great site gfd!
you put so much hard wprk into it! THANK YOU!!!
:bow:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by STMB on 04-28-2003 at 11:59 AM

Weeeee, the new one is out :D  Wow, I didn't know it would be translated in that much languages...  good job :)
EDIT : I forgot to say that the new site is superb :D 


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 04-28-2003 at 12:04 PM

those are 27 languages if i'm not mistaken... and in future it will be around 40 ;) :refuck: :gfdrin:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by user2319 on 04-28-2003 at 12:05 PM

Now I can finally spam joon back with OMG sounds.. :wink:

Patchou, thanks for all this nice things.. :gfdrin:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Jeronimo on 04-28-2003 at 12:07 PM

Just want to say a big thanks to Patchou for the totally amazing program. Plus has really matured into a truly superb product. You should be proud that you kept a lot of us way past our bedtimes! :zzz:

Also big thanks has to go to GFD for the website. To see something that good to go with the program means the complete package is superb. Good job man :gfdrin:

And thanks to everyone else (testers, translators etc). Its been good to be part of such a great project.

Right I need more sleep :D

Later peeps


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Fraisie on 04-28-2003 at 12:46 PM

I'm just so proud...! :D


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Mnjul on 04-28-2003 at 01:01 PM

oh yeah we should also thank Fraisie, Patchou's girlfriend;)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by pablotossi on 04-28-2003 at 01:04 PM

The NEW release is VERY good! The NEW website is VERY good! Thanks a lot Patchou and gfd!!


... gfd.... en cuanto te vea te felicito personalmente, realmente haz hecho un muy buen trabajo, esto te llevará a la fama, jajaj!!!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Chrono on 04-28-2003 at 01:47 PM

Finally ! The new website  is out ! Who cares about Plus !? :refuck: J/K :wink:

Great job Patchou ! Well done GFD ! :bow: to translators !


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Dadoef on 04-28-2003 at 02:45 PM

Thx Patch, for bringing us the lovely plus in our own language.
We really love you
:bow: Patchou :bow:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by rafael_van_der_linden on 04-28-2003 at 02:51 PM

I just read the most funniest thing in the world. Somewhere in this world there is a guy who dares to say that DMSN more popular is then MsgPlus!!!

WHAHAHAHAHA

He even had a list of downloads where Msgplus stood in one of the last places.

What does this motherfucka think? That 4 millions Msgplus users are going to download it every week? WHAT A LOSER.

DMsn SUCKS ASS!!! AAAAARGH!!!!

Rafael

Ps1, I made a suggestion for him: CHECK OUT THE DOWNLOAD NUMBER OF THE END OF THIS WEEK. Cause the new msnPlus is going 2 Rule the whole WORLD!!!! YEAAAH.
Ps2, Patchou, Also from me there will be a dutch postcard in your mailbox soon


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Jeronimo on 04-28-2003 at 03:29 PM

I find it most amusing that DMSN uses Messenger Plus codes. Maybe the guy should call it "The most popular Plus clone in the world"

We all know what's the best :gfdrin:

Post card from Coventry, England will be swimming over the pond soon Patch!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by STMB on 04-28-2003 at 04:06 PM

Yeah, DMSN is SOOOOO popular that I never even heard about it ;)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 04-28-2003 at 04:14 PM

i think dMSN is popular only in NL, but not many people have it here though... i have like 65 different people on my list, and like 3 of them got dMSN. But it really suckes dick for real! i have installed it like for 1 hour and than deleted it completely. Its not even an add on for MSN Messenger, it is its own client, and its really ugly, stupid, crazy, no features, nothing, ugly smilies... really the most fucked program u can imagine!!! :blah!:

no doubt all other add ons are better, and no words about:plus2: cuz' its clear :refuck:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Hova on 04-28-2003 at 04:29 PM

Wow, I have to say this is great news. I love the website, its looking great, and I might have some business to ask for. Its nice to see everything pulling together as it has been doing. This is a great job, thank you for serving the community.


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by rafael_van_der_linden on 04-28-2003 at 04:37 PM

I'm so glad that you guys support me about my opinion about Dmsn!!!

Yeah. 2 hell with it!!!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Guido on 04-28-2003 at 05:19 PM

Thanks for the comments about the new site. I'm glad you liked it.

And congratulations to translators and specially to Patchou. Great software (Y).

:gfdrin:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by billywoods1 on 04-28-2003 at 05:30 PM

Ha, finally I have Plus in French! I hardly even speak French! :lol:

Just one comment - shouldn't "Es-tu malade?" be "Es-tu fou/farfelu?" Ok, you're French, you know, but as far as I know, malade means ill :P

I have to say it a third time, this version really is the best so far, keep up the good work... GFD and the translators too!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Patchou on 04-28-2003 at 06:04 PM

Thanks a lot for your comments everyone, and for the postcards too, I'm really looking forward to receive them :).

How could I stop developing Plus! when so many people are cheering me up? :). Of course, BIG thanks to GFD and the translators. Without them, this version wouldn't exist.

Patchou


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by LuPuS on 04-28-2003 at 06:29 PM

If you need another download mirror, you just contact me alright!

because your program just rocks! and everybody should have it :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by s7a5 on 04-28-2003 at 06:50 PM

well done all of u, now it really looks great !!!
Good webbie GFD :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by nus on 04-28-2003 at 06:55 PM

Now I'm doing the catala translation. The program it's so good, Patchou, but you already know it, we told it to you a lot of times :D

Sock --> Mirror updated (mural.uv.es/xabaci/mp2/MsgPlus.exe)
now i'm uploading it to other mirrors, i hope that they work.

more news soon.


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by tomfletcherman on 04-28-2003 at 06:59 PM

xcellent wrk as per usual, wat more can i say, nu sounds r rlly funny aswell, im still cracking up


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Bladerunner on 04-28-2003 at 07:34 PM

Good job Patchou, and good job you and gfd on the new site! The new version and site rock!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by avifear on 04-28-2003 at 08:03 PM

Thank you for the new version! :)
I just LOVE the unicode support for the translations- very professional!
New website ROCKS!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by paperless on 04-28-2003 at 08:33 PM

Great!!
This version is really cool!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by fimpen on 04-28-2003 at 08:33 PM

my msn plus dont work att all i cant send smilys


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by jaber on 04-28-2003 at 09:10 PM

another mirror link from winnipeg manitoba canada http://www3.mb.sympatico.ca/jaber/MsgPlus.exe


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by lylesback2 on 04-28-2003 at 09:27 PM

wheres the share button editor?


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by rafael_van_der_linden on 04-28-2003 at 09:40 PM

Yeah it's me again.

I saw your message about that you can't stop develloping!!! Well, this is my anwser:

I LOVE YOU PATCHOU!!!!

If you need any dutch help: Mail me.

And another thing: If you're going to develop even more!!!!: MORE SOUNDS. Everyone on my msnlist is WILD about the new sounds!!! We want more... We want more...

Patchou... DONT STOP THIS


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Guido on 04-28-2003 at 09:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lylesback
wheres the share button editor?

In the menu that you see when you click in the share button, click on CONFIGURE.
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Chrono on 04-28-2003 at 10:08 PM

And if U dont know where the Share Button is, just look in a IM windpw, at the right side of the emoticon panel


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by oberststen on 04-28-2003 at 10:34 PM

This Plus! version is really cool, only a thing, i didn't like that the /skiss command now sends XxxxXxxxX instead of sending I Love You, what the hell is XxxxXxxxX o_O Porno^3 ?


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Patchou on 04-28-2003 at 10:38 PM

oberststen: xxx means "kiss". If you want to put something else, just do something like
/skiss I love you

again, thank you everyone


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by oberststen on 04-28-2003 at 10:42 PM

well, i know about de X but, it was cooler when it sends I Love You, the kiss sound and I Love You was a really cool sign of love :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Guido on 04-28-2003 at 11:17 PM

But it was an excess of love sometimes :P

you can edit it yourself by editing the .ini language file in the program folder.


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by oberststen on 04-28-2003 at 11:44 PM

But i don't see any English ini file (U)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by wacky on 04-29-2003 at 12:13 AM

Every thing is really cool! GFD, Patchou and all the translators are all the best! And also Fraisie for being by Patchou's side... :gfdrin:
I would like to send a postcard to u, Patchou, but I live really close(Montreal) and I'm pretty shure u prefer having some from far away! :P Plus, u'll prbably be loaded with postcards soon! :P
Any way, I just wanna thank every1 and I hope u'll all continue yur great work!!! Have a nice break Patchou! Now u can party all u want! hehe
[Image: partytime.gif]


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by phoenixexeter on 04-29-2003 at 12:47 AM

Thanks so much to all involved in making..PLUS.[Image: 2171.gif]
Are there any new surprises(easter egg-sounds)?


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Guido on 04-29-2003 at 01:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by oberststen
But i don't see any English ini file (U)

DefaultLg.dat
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Ice Queen on 04-29-2003 at 03:13 AM

:banana:  thank you patchou i could (K) you if i was near you this new version rocks and looks much better i could :bow: at your feet

oh and by the way how do you put a picture in the part by the name that is seen when you post messages in the forum :huh:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Rush on 04-29-2003 at 04:42 AM

Thanks you!!

Taiwan :  http://netcity3.web.hinet.net/UserData/win49924/


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Wabz on 04-30-2003 at 10:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by phoenixexeter
Thanks so much to all involved in making..PLUS.[Image: 2171.gif]
Are there any new surprises(easter egg-sounds)?


Sound commands have been made public but you never know there may be a few hidden easter eggs within the software if your lucky
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by crazihouse on 04-30-2003 at 12:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ice Queen
:banana:  thank you patchou i could (K) you if i was near you this new version rocks and looks much better i could :bow: at your feet

oh and by the way how do you put a picture in the part by the name that is seen when you post messages in the forum :huh:


youre talking about your avatar
just go to the user cp and it's easy to do the rest from there :)
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by IoIoIo on 04-30-2003 at 12:56 PM

still no mac versation :'(


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Johnny_Mac on 04-30-2003 at 12:57 PM

* Johnny_Mac thinks they will never be a mac version, so maybe this is a good time to stop wishing. :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 04-30-2003 at 01:58 PM

quote:
Messenger Plus! FAQ

Will there ever be a Macintosh version of Messenger Plus! ?

No, there will never be a Macintosh version of Messenger Plus!, due to several things including these ones:

[*]I, the author, do not have a Macintosh
[*]The Macintosh platform do not have the technology (API) for an add-on like Messenger Plus!

But... if you want to run:plus2: or any other Windows program on your Macintosh computer, you can use Virtual PC. It is not a free program, but i hope for you that you can find crack or somethin' in KaZaA or so :)
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by AlexisWWF on 04-30-2003 at 04:55 PM

Thanks, great job !


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by crazihouse on 04-30-2003 at 09:02 PM

how could there be a mac version when msn messenger is only on windows (at least to my knoledge :huh: )


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 04-30-2003 at 11:21 PM

nope, you're not right. There is an official MSN Messenger for Mac (by Microsoft®). There are also versions for Linux, but not the official ones (not my Microsoft)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by dirkv4 on 05-01-2003 at 06:39 PM

Patchou, you're simply the best (but I expect you already know that) !!


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by l_p_4_7 on 05-01-2003 at 07:13 PM

I was just browsing around on the Messenger Plus site and in the version history it says there is a version 2.10.34 (30/04/2003). Is this available to download anywhere?

Great work by the way Patchou! Thanks!


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Monarch on 05-01-2003 at 07:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by l_p_4_7
I was just browsing around on the Messenger Plus site and in the version history it says there is a version 2.10.34 (30/04/2003). Is this available to download anywhere?

Great work by the way Patchou! Thanks!


thats the test version.. and i dont think so patchou relesed it officialy yet
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by kittyangel on 05-02-2003 at 12:01 AM

wow, this is so great.  thanks for the effort, patchou and gfd.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Fraisie on 05-02-2003 at 12:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by dirkv4
Patchou, you're simply the best (but I expect you already know that) !!



LOL that rings a bell... "Simply the best" used to be the name of an old site Patchou had
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Ice Queen on 05-02-2003 at 12:41 AM

so can we except anything else new patchou:wink:


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by jeebus saves on 05-03-2003 at 06:37 AM

great job on plus patchou im not sure if this was adressed but in this version is the update feature active i see that it is built in but is it active or do we still have ot keep checking back for updates?


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 05-03-2003 at 02:46 PM

yes, btw, good question.

I would also like to know how it works, cuz' all my friends have or downloaded new version themselves, or i told them to do so, but no one has had a screen with updates :-/

how does it work, Patchou??


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by LEE123 on 05-03-2003 at 05:12 PM

Hi, just to say, the new version of Plus! is great, some new features, i love it.

Thanks patchou


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 05-03-2003 at 05:21 PM

Hey people! New Plus! update!!!

:plus2: 2.10.0034


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by LEE123 on 05-03-2003 at 05:26 PM

Well im just installing it now. Its not gonna have major updates but it'll be more stable.


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by user13774 on 05-03-2003 at 06:33 PM

But i have a problem with the new version. When i try to install it (under win98) i get a white and then a normal error window, which says that the program has done an illegal operation and then i have to close it. So i can't install 2.10.0034. :'(


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by DXtremz on 05-03-2003 at 06:35 PM

Markus> Download it again from another link. It chould be a problem with your browser cache.
http://www.eckohost.com/~pluslite/Plus/Latest/MsgPlus-210.exe
Get it from there, its 2.10.34. Uninstall the old Plus! First...


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by LEE123 on 05-03-2003 at 06:36 PM

well u aint missing loads ;)


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by DXtremz on 05-03-2003 at 06:37 PM

Ya....34 is just a bug fix...


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by user13774 on 05-03-2003 at 06:38 PM

Nope, doesn't work. Maybe a reboot. I'll try it.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Pure_BY on 05-03-2003 at 07:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DXtremz
Ya....34 is just a bug fix...

Actually it isnt... check this page for updates in version .0034
RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Mnjul on 05-04-2003 at 08:26 AM

As Patchou wrote, the new things add are:
1.Swedish language
2.Fixes


RE: Messenger Plus! 2.10 is out! by Johnny_Mac on 05-04-2003 at 01:28 PM

New version (2.10.0034) Announcement:

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=9720