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Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Menthix on 10-20-2010 at 01:49 PM

Since I have a feeling this question will come up more often until Plus! 5.0 will be released, here are some of the things people might be wondering about.

This post has also been translated in the languages below. Thanks for spreading the word! If you translated this post in another language, or you know someone else did. Contact me and I'll add it to the list (PM will work).



Does Messenger Plus! work with Windows Live Messenger 2011?
Yes, but only partial and in an experimental way.

To get Plus! working in Messenger 2011 first make sure you installed the latest build of both. You will need Windows Live Messenger 2011 Build 15.4.3502.922 (released September 30, only works on Vista and 7) and Messenger Plus! Live 4.90.392 (released October 20).

Once Plus! 4.9 is installed you will have to disable its safe mode to make Plus! load in Messenger 2011:
In the contacts list press the Alt key to make the menu bar appear. On the menu go to 'Plus!' -> 'Software Not Loaded'. Check the 'Disable safe mode' option and close the window. A warning will show. Press 'OK' ans Messenger will be restarted, this time with Plus! loaded.

[Image: disable-safe-mode1.png]   [Image: disable-safe-mode2.png]


Experimental??
Using Plus! on Messenger 2011 is officially still un-supported. Just like using beta software, don't expect things to always work. Yuna is aware many features won't work, there is no use in reporting this as a bug for now.
As announced  Messenger Plus! 5.0 is targeted for release in early December of this year and will be completely compatible with Windows Live Messenger 2011. See Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?" for the latest news about when Plus! 5.0 is expected to release.


Partial? Which features will work?
The following Plus! features will work when using Messenger Plus! 4.9 in combination with Windows Live Messenger 2011:
  • Skinning (with the exception of custom window shapes). Although nobody has created a real WLM 2011 compatible skin yet. Any brave skinners wanting to attempt a full WLM 2011 skin even before MP!L 5 comes out?
  • Skinning: UIB files can all be properly decoded and re-encoded (windows definitions and styles can be skinned).
  • Event Viewer
  • Transparency on the contacts list
  • Lock Messenger (half working). The lock messenger feature does not actually lock Messenger as new message windows are able to bypass the lock. It does lock Messenger and hide current windows but new windows are not kept hidden.
  • Contact List Clean-Up. However, don't pay attention to the 'Has You' column. The 'Has You' data has been unreliable for months. This is an issue caused by the data Microsoft's servers send and if a problem on Messenger 2009 too. Unless Microsoft suddenly fixes this the 'Has You' column will probably just disappear in MP!L 5.
  • Contacts on Desktop
  • Event Notifications
  • Sound Library, although you won't be able to send or receive any sounds.
These Plus! features do not work in Live Messenger 2011 yet:
  • Colored/formatted nicknames
  • Chat logging
  • Connect to several accounts simultaneously (polygamy)
  • Any commands or tags such as /away or (!VER)
  • Any features which usually can only be activated from the conversation window. The Plus! menu does does not (yet) hook into WLM 2011 conversation windows.
  • Transparency on conversation windows
  • Custom and built-in Plus! sounds
  • Scripts. Scripts do import fine and are running. But without the scripts menu and without any functionality in the conversation window you won't get much useful out of most scripts.
  • Tabbed chats. But Messenger 2011 does tabbed chats natively now.
  • Quick texts
  • Quick icons
  • Personalized Status. Although the dialog shows up fine when you change status, it doesn't seem to do very much.
  • Plus! Extras. When you right-click on a person in the contacts list.


My favorite feature doesn't work, this sucks! Make everything work!
Understandable. Unfortunately though, coding software takes time. Messenger 2011 was released sooner than most people expected. Microsoft suddenly released the final build of Messenger 2011 while Yuna Software was working on other projects (Plus! 5 with new features and style, new website, Project K, internal tools). While from the outside Messenger 2011 may look fairly similar to Messenger 2009, under the hood a lot can change in between versions, making it a challenge to make Plus! features work again. But the good news is: Messenger Plus! 5.0 is targeted for release in early December of this year and will be completely compatible with Windows Live Messenger 2011. See Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?" for the latest news about when Plus! 5.0 is expected to release.

Until Messenger Plus! 5 is available there are two things you can do:
  • Use Messenger 2011 with partly working Plus! features.
    If Plus! 4.9 is too buggy you can reset safe mode: In Windows' Control Panel -> Uninstall/Change Messenger Plus! Live -> Repair Messenger -> Reset all Messenger Plus! user preferences to their defaults.
  • Or you can continue using Messenger 2009 with all Plus! features until Plus! 5 comes out.
    If you already installed Messenger 2011 and you want to return to 2009: In Windows' Control Panel -> Uninstall Windows Live Essentials 2011 -> reboot -> download and install the latest Messenger 2009 build.
In all cases, as long as you have Plus! 4.9 installed you will automatically get an update notification when Plus! 5.0 is out.



...More info and corrections are welcome, I'll update the post accordingly :).
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Sunshine on 10-20-2010 at 01:50 PM

Thanks for this list Menthix. :D

Should be stickied!


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Chrono on 10-20-2010 at 11:43 PM

great, thanks Menthix (Y)

quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
Sound Library, although you won't be able to send or receive any sounds.
i wouldnt say it's "working" then, what's the point if you cant send nor receive sounds? :P
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Chrissy on 10-21-2010 at 12:37 AM

You can listen :P


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Chrono on 10-21-2010 at 12:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
You can listen :P
quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
what's the point

RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Kafman on 10-21-2010 at 12:50 AM

Are you retarded Chrissy?

Who the fuck would spend time listening to their sound collection without having the ability to send or receive them?

idiot.


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by CookieRevised on 10-21-2010 at 05:07 AM

Well , Menthix said "Sound Library works", not "sending/receiving custom sounds works". So he is correct. In fact, he lists "custom sounds" in the not-working list. But yeah, there is not much practical use for a Sounds Library without the ability to send/receive sounds other than listening, editing and creating. I dunno what's so idiot about Chrissy's answer though, he too is correct :P


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by ahmetgns on 10-21-2010 at 07:02 AM

When I seek to do something on the computer when I finish all my tasks I use the sound library, just to listen some of my favorite sounds or to get new ones. I hardly ever send a custom sound to my contacts anyway :)


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Sunshine on 10-21-2010 at 08:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
great, thanks Menthix (Y)

quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
Sound Library, although you won't be able to send or receive any sounds.
i wouldnt say it's "working" then, what's the point if you cant send nor receive sounds? :P
It means you can import/export and create sounds again and as Chrissy said listen to them. Which is what I do when approving soundpacks for http://mpsounds.net. Until this release I had to start up my laptop, where I have Messenger 2009 and Messenger Plus! Live 4.85, to do this.
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Hank on 10-21-2010 at 08:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
It means you can import/export and create sounds again and as Chrissy said listen to them. Which is what I do when approving soundpacks for http://mpsounds.net. Until this release I had to start up my laptop, where I have Messenger 2009 and Messenger Plus! Live 4.85, to do this.
listening to a sound track is as bout as exciting as listening to a recent porno video, why listen to it over an over again ?
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Sunshine on 10-21-2010 at 08:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ICQ
quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
It means you can import/export and create sounds again and as Chrissy said listen to them. Which is what I do when approving soundpacks for http://mpsounds.net. Until this release I had to start up my laptop, where I have Messenger 2009 and Messenger Plus! Live 4.85, to do this.
listening to a sound track is as bout as exciting as listening to a recent porno video, why listen to it over an over again ?
Some may like that and some do because of tasks (hmmm what would that task be in porn when listening....). Like I have to listen to (for me new) sounds before approving them into the soundpack database (porn sounds not allowed there btw).
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Hank on 10-21-2010 at 09:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine
Some may like that and some do because of tasks (hmmm what would that task be in porn when listening....). Like I have to listen to (for me new) sounds before approving them into the soundpack database (porn sounds not allowed there btw).
why would one watch a Porn o clip more than once on youporn or whatever tube just so they could listen to the "sounds" of the moaning &  groaning . its a bit like listening to sesame street, its ok if your stonned but if not
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by coolzee on 10-21-2010 at 12:20 PM

I've already attempt to skin the new messenger with Plus! 4.9, still in beta stages. Haven't skin since my last skin release. (going back to skinning mode.) I'm not going to release my beta skin yet, I'll wait until Plus! 5 comes out. :)


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Kafman on 10-22-2010 at 02:09 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
I dunno what's so idiot about Chrissy's answer though, he too is correct :P
There was a post from chrissy quoting what Chrono said and quoting himself (about the 'listening'). It was deleted.

He can be 'correct' about stating that you can listen to the sounds in the lbrary... and whats the point about? "Oh yeah, I'm going to open the sound library and rock on with my saved sounds..." :rolleyes:

Currently it's only useful for the person that's testing the sounds, how ironic...

RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by benzo93 on 10-22-2010 at 06:34 AM

I only installed it so then i'll know when Messenger Plus! 5 comes out! Can't wait to see what you guys can come up with for WLM 2011! I'll be waiting for December... bring it on! :)

Lol I used to use Messenger Plus! but then WLM died for me since everyone stopped using it, but when I saw that they had a beta version for WLM I decided to install it. 1 week latter they released their final copy of WLM 2011. The only things that i'm happy of what Microsoft did was get rid of that crappy window which had to stay or it would sign out of messenger, add Facebook chat and tabbed chats (guessing Messenger Plus! doesn't need to provide this to us now!). I've been trying to find a computer application that you could use to talk on Facebook unlike how Myspace has their own app... Skype latter released their program with Facebook integration, but you can't talk on Facebook chat. Only WLM 2011 does that. The only thing that I hate about their new version is that they took away some of the good features like group number stats, display name, ect.

If only Messenger Plus! 5 can fix this! Or at least Microsoft goes back to the drawing board and decides to give us these good features back! I just can't wait for Messenger Plus! 5! =D


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by CookieRevised on 10-22-2010 at 06:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by benzo93
The only things that i'm happy of what Microsoft did was get rid of that crappy window which had to stay or it would sign out of messenger,
What window was that? I never heard of a window which needed to 'stay' to be signed in.
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Menthix on 10-22-2010 at 08:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Kafman
He can be 'correct' about stating that you can listen to the sounds in the lbrary... and whats the point about? "Oh yeah, I'm going to open the sound library and rock on with my saved sounds..." :rolleyes:

Currently it's only useful for the person that's testing the sounds, how ironic...
Oh, come on! It's just a list FFS, how long do people feel they have to go on about the same thing? I never said anything about the usefulness of things. Fact is sending and receiving sounds doesn't work, but the sound library does work. I still have enough fate in human beings to think they are smart enough to draw their own conclusions from that.
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by djdannyp on 10-22-2010 at 08:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:
Originally posted by benzo93
The only things that i'm happy of what Microsoft did was get rid of that crappy window which had to stay or it would sign out of messenger,
What window was that? I never heard of a window which needed to 'stay' to be signed in.

The little "window" that showed up in Windows 7 when you hovered over the WLM icon.
RE: RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by benzo93 on 10-22-2010 at 10:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:
Originally posted by benzo93
The only things that i'm happy of what Microsoft did was get rid of that crappy window which had to stay or it would sign out of messenger,
What window was that? I never heard of a window which needed to 'stay' to be signed in.

The window in the 2009 version of WLM which only showed your display picture and your status. It got a bit annoying. Now you can change your status when you hover over the messenger icon in windows 7 with WLM 2011!

[Image: win7livemessengertaskba.jpg]
^ in this image you see a display picture with available on the top? That's the window that I'm talking about. Please note that this isn't my photo, I got it off google...

[Image: sshot201006262212342.png]
^ that's how WLM 2011 deals with it by showing status icons underneath the window of your contacts/social network feeds!
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Nagamasa on 10-26-2010 at 01:30 AM

"Skinning back" the missing Plus! icons in the conversation window (923) does not work.

Also skinning 948, which I believe is the loading screen, does not result in anything. Even broken code (unfinished <element> tag) does not trigger a Skin Trace, and replacing files 4621 with a) a new file, e.g., 59888, or b) replace the image 4621 does not do anything.


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by sub.waleed on 11-03-2010 at 10:11 AM

Thank's :)

I'm waiting for the new Messenger Plus :)


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by brjohnsmith on 11-13-2010 at 10:54 PM

Hi,

I wonder if anyone has tested if plus 4.9 accepts 1100 chars, because I think it has not the same amount of chars than the last version with wlm2009.

wlm2009 and plus 4.8, when it had more than 1100 chars, a txt file was created automatically.

tks.


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Menthix on 11-13-2010 at 11:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by brjohnsmith
I wonder if anyone has tested if plus 4.9 accepts 1100 chars
Not when using it on WLM2011, no. That entire feature isn't working yet, so no txt file either if you do more characters.
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Sabinchyka on 11-29-2010 at 10:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Menthix

Does Messenger Plus! work with Windows Live Messenger 2011?

Once Plus! 4.9 is installed you will have to disable its safe mode to make Plus! load in Messenger 2011:
In the contacts list press the Alt key to make the menu bar appear. On the menu go to 'Plus!' -> 'Software Not Loaded'. Check the 'Disable safe mode' option and close the window. A warning will show. Press 'OK' ans Messenger will be restarted, this time with Plus! loaded.

[Image: disable-safe-mode1.png]   [Image: disable-safe-mode2.png]

...More info and corrections are welcome, I'll update the post accordingly :).

thank you :$ you helped me with this (Y)
RE: RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Sabinchyka on 12-02-2010 at 08:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Sabinchyka
quote:
Originally posted by Menthix

Does Messenger Plus! work with Windows Live Messenger 2011?

Once Plus! 4.9 is installed you will have to disable its safe mode to make Plus! load in Messenger 2011:
In the contacts list press the Alt key to make the menu bar appear. On the menu go to 'Plus!' -> 'Software Not Loaded'. Check the 'Disable safe mode' option and close the window. A warning will show. Press 'OK' ans Messenger will be restarted, this time with Plus! loaded.

[Image: disable-safe-mode1.png]   [Image: disable-safe-mode2.png]

...More info and corrections are welcome, I'll update the post accordingly :).

thank you :$ you helped me with this (Y)

oh no, I was too fast ... my script still doesn't work :(
I will install older MSN program, so I'm gonna use that script again :(
RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Cidinho on 12-10-2010 at 01:52 AM

The "Has You" column isn't reliable, but it has been useful for me a lot of times.

It is always right when referring to people who deleted you. (Had a "Yes", now has a "No".)


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by msilv1988 on 12-11-2010 at 01:49 PM

There are news for the release completely compatible with WLM 2011?

I have read that it should be released by the mid of december. It's true?


RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by Menthix on 12-11-2010 at 02:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by msilv1988
There are news for the release completely compatible with WLM 2011?
No news yet. But at the moment testers haven't started yet, so don't be surprised if it is delayed a bit.
(testers always get to try new versions before they release to the public, so there aren't any big bugs in it)
RE: RE: Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't by pnbarros on 12-22-2010 at 01:05 PM

Anyone knows if theres gone be a "not flash/blink conversation"option in the 5.0 version?