General release anticipated at the end of January, 2011

Messenger Plus! has released the private beta version of Plus! 5 to the testers, the fifth major version of the popular Messenger Plus! software.  The beta version of this software and new website is currently in the testing and translation process.  The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

In anticipation of the general release of Plus! 5, following are highlights of its new features and a sneak peek at the software and website interfaces:

Summary of the new and revised features of Plus! 5 include:

•    Windows Live Messenger 2011 Support
•    Preferences & Options
•    MyPlus!
•    Logs
•    Website

Windows Live™ Messenger 2011 Support – including skins, scripts & more

As previously announced, Plus! 5 provides full compatibility both with Windows Live™ Messenger (WLM) 2011 and WLM 2009.  Skins, scripts and other Plus! 5 features are now supported in WLM 2011.  A number of new skins have already been developed and are already available for WLM 2011 users.

Preferences & Options – part of a whole new look & feel



Messenger Plus! has a new look and feel with redesigned themes for all windows, including a key-word based search feature for preferences and options.

MyPlus! – uniting the Messenger Plus! community



One of the most significant new features of Plus! 5 is MyPlus!, a concept we envision to grow into a unique social network of the Messenger Plus! Community.  To begin with, users can open their own account through the Plus! 5 website or request registration through the software itself. 

Logs – advanced online and local logging functions

Users can now view and search their logs locally or online on the MyPlus! server. Users can now access their logs from anywhere and at anytime, similar to the way they can access online email or other social media accounts.  Advanced log options are also available for local viewing. 

Website – new version; new design

Messenger Plus! has recreated the Website from scratch with improved download interfaces for pages such as skins and scripts. Skin and script developers will also benefit from additional online documentation.  In addition to its online log feature, we integrated the forum with the MyPlus! account concept. 

HomePage (Beta) Preview




Skin Page (Beta) Preview



The above screenshots and features described are a preview and may be subject to change based on testing and development during the beta phase until the general release.

Messenger Plus! Live 4.9 and is still fully functional and can be downloaded at http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/

Yuna Software sends Messenger Plus! users best wishes for the holiday season and a happy New Year.

Woo finally.

Try linking to the actual image's location rather than the flickr page it's embedded in.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5303498728_74017284f9.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5302906615_a6a1ed2706.jpg
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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5302907189_dd42b3fc6c_b.jpg

The preview button helps when making posts too.

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Website looks awful, btw.

An older colour scheme for those interested: http://msgplus.net/temp/homePlus5.jpg

the only thing nice about that website is the background. The current one is much better...

Ehm, when we can not use the beta, is it really a release?
Or can we all become beta testers?

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Ehm, when we can not use the beta, is it really a release?

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Originally posted by Nathalie
General release anticipated at the end of January, 2011

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Closed beta?

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Closed beta?

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Those icons look like a horrible KDE rip off. Very amateur.

It doesn't seem fair that only a few people get to try out the beta since we have been waiting months for an update. You could have at least sent out an updated version that worked with everything instead of sending out a version that only worked with part of the program and then do the whole overhaul. But hey we're only customers why should what we want matter

Not to take away from the hard work, but the site looks crap =/

The only thing that looks good about the prefs is that we can search for options and might by the looks of it be able to sync our settings with the Plus! servers?

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The beta testers consist of 133 forum members

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aflove65, hope you realize that there isn't just a "few" people "trying" it out. There is a lot of testers. The beta testers consist of 133 forum members. That doesn't include those who are not apart of this forum. We have been testing the program for years so why change a good thing? Plus! has only ever once had a public beta.

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Now, MyPlus! seems to be a good idea, but will logs continue to be encrypted even when stored online? And will our Forum accounts be "MyPlus Accounts" too or we'll have to start a new one?

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kewl 133 of you get to try it while the rest of us have to wait another month to try it (if we are lucky). Not what I would call fair An open beta would mean more people trying it out and maybe finding more bugs that wouldn't be found. But I would have liked for them to at least have made 4.9 to be able to work with all of the features of the new msn instead of only working with part of it. Then they could have just rehauled it and not too many would have been upset.

As of right now its just not feasable for the general public to have access. The new site is not completely ready and there is information there that even as testers we should not see. There is privacy and security that need to be fixed as well. As nice as it is to see a preview, the software simply isn't ready for an open beta.

How I can Download the Beta?

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How I can Download the Beta?

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How I can Download the Beta?

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Through the download site once it gets released.

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The title is a bit misleading...

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Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
End of January 2011?

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Originally posted by Nathalie
The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

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blurhg.... it was already hell for me to wait to december... now i have to wait another month?!?

i am really missing the function of saving chathistory

Use the Windows Live Messenger chat history until it is ready.

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Use the Windows Live Messenger chat history until it is ready.

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Err.. so there's no release? Ok..

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Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta)

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Originally posted by Chrissy
Err.. so there's no release? Ok..

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So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..

All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.

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Originally posted by Chrissy
So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..

All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.

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Not exactly sure what I think if this release, but that's not a feature list for sure

I'm a bit worried about this Plus! Community. I have a bad feeling that it's gonna turn into a scheme to make extra cash..

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Will the Plus! Website (new) have an API were we can use the log ourselves?

The new website design looks ABSOLUTELY terrible.

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Originally posted by Discrate
The new website design looks ABSOLUTELY terrible.

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Oh man... I cannot begin to explain how disappointed I am to hear that yet another month of waiting was added.

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Originally posted by Discrate
The new website design looks ABSOLUTELY terrible.

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Oh man... I cannot begin to explain how disappointed I am to hear that yet another month of waiting was added.

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I usually try to stay neutral, however the website is indeed FUgly.... looks like Alpha to me.... kinda 2000ish.

Not to keen on the UI of the application itself but will leave that until I get a look however the website is definately second-rate, seems like a website that was made of a default php template from somewhere.

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You could have at least sent out an updated version that worked with everything instead of sending out a version that only worked with part of the program and then do the whole overhaul. But hey we're only customers why should what we want matter

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Also found the new preferences window actually harder and less intuitive than the current one, shouldn't the layout evolve instead of going back to the past?

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So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..

All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.

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@CookieRevised

Looking from that point, easier to add updates and easier organization, it is indeed better. But it still is uglier, and has too much information in a small space. Doing it with walls of icons wouldn't be good either. But even in treeview you can do something better:

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TL;DR

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But even in treeview you can do something better:

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But, I do think the plain treeview could use some small sized icons for each category though. It would make the plain list a bit less dull.

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As for the website. I'm not extremely excited about it either, but I have seen far worse. The biggest thorn in my eye is the massive (and frankly quite useless) header/banner on top of the site, and the fixed width (considering the forum is integrated in the same design - for the site itself it doesn't matter that much, but it does for the forum imho -).

After using it for a while, you do get used to it, and I find its navigation and order of things quite natural.

But I suppose, that this is a big work in progress, bigger than Plus! itself actually. And it will continue to be a work in progress after the release, at least I hope so. Unless they pull of a miracle and make everything perfect for everyone in a month's time.

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Eventhough I shared the very same opinion at first, before actually using it, and complained about it too when we saw the first conceptual screenshots a while ago, I must say that after actually using it, I find it is more intuitive than before imho. Ok, it isn't that much eye candy and bling bling (afterall, it is a treeview). But eye candy is not everything either.

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But, I do think the plain treeview could use some small sized icons for each category though. It would make the plain list a bit less dull.

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yeah, agreed, that's is exactly what I meant with "small sized icons for each category"

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I don't believe in miracles, but hey, we never know.

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(Or how about employing a certain design team which already has extensive experience with the Messenger Plus! brand and a good track record? )

hey nathalie, i edited the subject of the thread as i found it VERY misleading (made you think that a (public) beta was being released right now ).

Feel free to change it to something better if you want

how long until you have to pay for the online stuff?

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Seriously, tell your people to invest into a proper design team or to ditch your current one.

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We plan to migrate all accounts to the new site. What is important here is that the forum and the web site are now a single entity. The goal was to bring new online features to Plus!

We tried to keep the current web site and forum, but making it work together turn our to be a nightmare. We had to recreate everything from scratch.

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Unfortunately, recoding the tree list control to insert the icons did not make it in this version.

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Yep, still don't like the direction that Plus! is taking with regards to graphic design. The inconsistency between the website and program UI is just too obvious (one being minimal and washed out and the other being over the top busy with unnecessary shadows, bevels and super bright colours).

Either way I'm sure the feature set will be solid and the functionality as well. But the visuals for me are a step in the wrong direction.

If it's easy to skin Plus! 5 I may just do so, otherwise i'll just stick to making Messenger look better

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Originally posted by Jieff
Unfortunately, recoding the tree list control to insert the icons did not make it in this version.

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Then why release it? Wait until stuff is complete instead off releasing half-assed stuff.

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All that Patchou stood for seems to mean nothing. Oh, and without the logo, MP!L is just another program to people. No recognition, no users.

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I agree about the MP!L logo, but changing it was a legal requirement.

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Originally posted by Jieff
I agree about the MP!L logo, but changing it was a legal requirement.

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The inconsistency between the website and program UI is just too obvious

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Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).

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I agree about the MP!L logo, but changing it was a legal requirement.

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Major bummer....

Is that the same reason why the "Live" tag has been removed too?

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It is normal to see this kind of complaints and the feeling that Patchou isn't in charge anymore because of many drastic changes, but I'm sure that listening to us (ths users) there will be a win for both sides.

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Actually no, this is not the reason why you don't see the Live tag. We wanted to make the product more generic. We would like to bring the Plus! concept to other platforms.

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Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).

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those decisions aren't mine anymore.

I understand what you're saying and I suggest you (and anybody else feeling the same way) to email Yuna Software about it. They need user feedback to guide their decisions properly.

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Originally posted by Jieff
Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).

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Just because you work for someone, doesn't mean they tell you what to do:

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Originally posted by Patchou
those decisions aren't mine anymore.

I understand what you're saying and I suggest you (and anybody else feeling the same way) to email Yuna Software about it. They need user feedback to guide their decisions properly.

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New Logo?
New Website Design

End of Jan.
New Plus! Settings Design

to be fair i am visually impaired so i can't really judge by the provided screenshots. i will give my honest opinion once the site and the software are finally released. however all i will say regarding the look of new plus is this... skinning weilds the power to skin plus too, if you don't like the design reskin it there are plenty of skinners out there if they too don't like the look of plus then i am sure they will put in that extra effort to reskin plus in there creations in order to attract more users to download there skins.

simples.

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Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).

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Just because you work for someone, doesn't mean they tell you what to do:

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Originally posted by Patchou
those decisions aren't mine anymore.

I understand what you're saying and I suggest you (and anybody else feeling the same way) to email Yuna Software about it. They need user feedback to guide their decisions properly.

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Those are completely two different hings...

Patchou replied with that more in the context of decisions like that 'Plus! concept' (aka Plus!Games etc) and toolbars and stuff related to the community (like the liaison). Aka the name of Plus! and the bigger picture. Patchou does not have all the influence on that anymore. This is what Yuna Software stands for.

What Jieff replied to was in the context of Messenger Plus!, the software itself, which Patchou does have a big influence on. It was a reply to Spunky on why the treelist looks the way it looks at the moment and why the treelist was chosen in the first place. This is what Kimahri Software stands for.

As a more understandable analogy: the lead programmers and program managers of Messenger have a massive influence into what Messenger will be like, feature-wise, look, etc. But they have little to no end-decisions into what the Windows Live concept should bring.

What people forget is that Plus! isn't just the software anymore and stuff is 'split' out into different departments.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Jieff....

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Well, most of the stuff has been already said, but I'd like to add that I agree with most of the negative stuff that has been said. Terrible new webpage design and colors, and the direction the software is taking... online account for what? Did I read that right, you want us to store our chat logs online? Yeah, sure!

Oh, and the newstitle is terribly misleading... hello?

Come on, we know you can do better! Well, you better do, otherwise I know many, many people who will soon or late stop using that software... me being one of them...

Where can I download the beta version ???

If Yuna's vision is so focussed on the community, maybe it would have been a good idea to let the community vote on the website design...
Or even more drastic let the community design it, I think a lot of users could have done better (me not being one of them...)
The community really doesn't seem to like the new site...

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Where can I download the beta version ???

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@Cookie
I only wanted a feature list, I didn't beg for releases..

Plus, releasing a thread claiming MP5 is released when it's out to like 50 testers isn't a 'release' at all. But I guess 'all other software will do that too'.

You obviously know better than me/us, so please gtf and stop patronising me or anyone else (Discrate)

And yes, I'm waiting on my neg rep..

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online account for what? Did I read that right, you want us to store our chat logs online? Yeah, sure!

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@Cookie
I only wanted a feature list, I didn't beg for releases..

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So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..
All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.

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Plus, releasing a thread claiming MP5 is released when it's out to like 50 testers isn't a 'release' at all. But I guess 'all other software will do that too'.

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But yes, it might have been 'misleading', but it was just a thread title... seriously... get over it...

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I would complain when you get over it???? Makes no sense at all...

chrissy "Makes no sense at all" !!!!

I mean, If I made a Misleading title, you WOULD complain about it.

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I mean, If I made a Misleading title, you WOULD complain about it.

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If Yuna's vision is so focussed on the community, maybe it would have been a good idea to let the community vote on the website design...

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So were can I say the new forums on the new website? Is it BETA testers only?

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Why have the GFDD design team been ditched? The website, logo and software UI would have been 10x better if they had continued designing it.

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If Yuna's vision is so focussed on the community, maybe it would have been a good idea to let the community vote on the website design...

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if yuna is so focused on the community they should've contacted surfichris (oh surprise, developer of mybboard) so he could help out with the integration of the website and these forums. The forums on the new website lack most of the features that makes this board so cool i doubt they can make it nearly as good, specially considering they're using a generic CMS

i thought they at least tried to integrate mybb with the website, but for what surfichris said 2 pages back, apparently they did not.

Yuna, you're still in time to fix it and integrate them. You just dont understand how usefull many of the features are, both for users and mods/admins. I doubt you can emulate something as good as mybb considering it's taken years to make it THIS good. Trust me, i've seen these forums (and mybb in general) evolve for the past 8 years.

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i thought they at least tried to integrate mybb with the website, but for what surfichris said 2 pages back, apparently they did not.

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Can only the beta testers see the new forum?

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Yuna for some weird reason wants to create their own forum, most likely so they can own it (WDZ owns this one)

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So who's gonna leak version 5 this year?

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So who's gonna leak version 5 this year?

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Someone is bound too.

Discrate,

- Show me where they made that 'excuse', Discrate. If you can't then don't put words in their mouth.
If you're refering to what Jeiff said that they tried to merge the existing forum and site together and found it to be a nightmare, I don't see that as an 'excuse'. If anything, I see that as an effort to accomodate to what you and others are requesting at this moment. And I also believe that it is not just a day or two of work to make it so, like surfichris claims.
Even WDZ himself once said that it would be easier to start from scratch than to trying to improve on the forums because of all the mods. Again, it is not just putting the two together as in put the forum into a frame in the main site. The whole point of the merging is that everything will work together, especially the forum account, script/skin/sounds databases, etc...

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to be part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....

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- Show me where they made that 'excuse', Discrate. If you can't then su.

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....

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Why have the GFDD design team been ditched? The website, logo and software UI would have been 10x better if they had continued designing it.

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Heh Thanks!

I wanted to congratulate the Yuna team on the hard work, I know how complex these kind of projects are, but also wanted to clarify exactly that -- that we at GFDD Group (or rather Marketica, the new brand for our design department) didn't make any of this. We worked on the GUI design and Website design and development for Messenger Plus 2, 3, 3.5, 4 and 4.5 between 2002 and 2009.

From what I'm aware, the reason for the policy change when Yuna came along was that they preferred to keep the design team in-house.

Regardless, happy new year everyone and hope to see you again soon!

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Only the interface will change.

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Chrissy,

A lot needs to be done and re-programmed for integrating the forums (incl. the others with diff. languages), the scripting and skinning database, etc. It is not just a matter of 'making a new skin' for this forum and be done with it.

And "making the interface" is exactly what they are doing now, and what they continue to do after the release, because it will very obviously not be finished by then.

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Discrate,

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to be part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....

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hey guido, nice to know from you! Im glad your business has done so well, congrats on that one, i remember when it was just you at the beginning, making crazy concepts for the logo (i still have some of them in my computer lol) .

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Only the interface will change.

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it's not just a chaange of interface, it's a change of software, aka less features and such . Just wanted to make that clear.

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* EDIT: Although apparently he also said he wanted to help (note: isn't that 'working for them' then? ). But still, how would they have know about that if he only said that in the shoutbox/forum way before Yuna knew about the forum, let alone knew about WDZ?

@Chrissy:

If it's the same team as MP!L 4, then why would those same testers leak for MP!5 but not for MP!L 4?

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Discrate,

- Show me where they made that 'excuse', Discrate. If you can't then don't put words in their mouth.
If you're refering to what Jeiff said that they tried to merge the existing forum and site together and found it to be a nightmare, I don't see that as an 'excuse'. If anything, I see that as an effort to accomodate to what you and others are requesting at this moment. And I also believe that it is not just a day or two of work to make it so, like surfichris claims.
Even WDZ himself once said that it would be easier to start from scratch than to trying to improve on the forums because of all the mods. Again, it is not just putting the two together as in put the forum into a frame in the main site. The whole point of the merging is that everything will work together, especially the forum account, script/skin/sounds databases, etc...

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to be part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....

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Your YUNA fanboyism doesn't fool anyone

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A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.

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And tbh, have either one of you contacted them before with propositions to work together? If so, then I stand by everything you said. But if not, don't you think you're being a bit unfair too?....

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A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.

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A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.

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Say what you will, at least Cookie is trying to see it from yuna's perspective.
And you have to admire his perseverance, it doesn't seem to matter how stupid peoples responses are, he keeps taking the time to reply.
All the blind yuna bashing is getting kinda old... You haven't even seen the new forums. People hate change, this is yuna's first mayor mp!l release let's give them the benefit of the doubt until the actual release... It mightn't be as worse as you make it out to be...

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A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.

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Say what you will, at least Cookie is trying to see it from yuna's perspective.
And you have to admire his perseverance, it doesn't seem to matter how stupid peoples responses are, he keeps taking the time to reply.
All the blind yuna bashing is getting kinda old... You haven't even seen the new forums. People hate change, this is yuna's first mayor mp!l release let's give them the benefit of the doubt until the actual release... It mightn't be as worse as you make it out to be...

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I simply cannot say something is good if it is not. I am not like cookie where i put loads of spin on things to pretend and to make it seem like something is great.

No matter what criticisms people have, he always responds with crap like "You are wrong" He is clearly biased and wouldn't be surprised if they have hired cookie.

"I don't like the design" = "NO YOUR WRONG, THE DESIGN IS GOOD, YOUR WRONG, THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, IT'S GOOD"

Go read every single bit of criticism, cookie responds with a rebuttal claiming it's wrong. No matter what is said, it's labeled as wrong and not right.

I don't even bother reading cookies posts any longer because it's a load of shit. He still responds to me though because he can't help it (Has some sort of mental problem and a god complex at the very least)

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As for the website. I'm not extremely excited about it either, but I have seen far worse. The biggest thorn in my eye is the massive (and frankly quite useless) header/banner with all its colors and background stuff on top of the site. Which I think is the main culprint of this 'default scheme' kind of look. Having a way smaller and more slick looking header might come a long way in defining 'the look and feeling'. Also the fixed width is a concearn of mine (considering the forum is integrated in the same design -for the site itself it doesn't matter that much, but it does for the forum imho -). But after using it for a while, you do get used to it somewhat. And I find its navigation and order of topics quite natural despite of things. But I suppose that this is a big work in progress, bigger than Plus! itself actually. And it will continue to be a work in progress after the release, at least I hope so. Unless they pull of a miracle and make everything perfect for everyone in a month's time.

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Discrate, no matter how bad you think it is, it is actually usable nonetheless.

Yes, Testers are working on reporting problems and providing suggestions, but in the end, it will take some time to get it to perfection.

Mindless bashing (especially when you havent seen it) doesn't help much either.

I like the goals that they are trying to reach, but I think the graphic designers just need to rethink.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Is that the same reason why the "Live" tag has been removed too?

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Actually no, this is not the reason why you don't see the Live tag. We wanted to make the product more generic. We would like to bring the Plus! concept to other platforms. The Live tag is closely associated with WLM.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
But when I checked the first page of setup window it still says "Messenger Plus! Live is the most versatile add-on available for Windows Live Messenger."

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I've registered just to post this.

I find the new website design to be extremely amateurish.

As Messenger Plus moved from being something developed by one person, to something under a company, I am surprised to see the website that came into existence under that one person be potentially torn of its beauty and replaced with something that looks like what an amateur would be making.

Under a company, I would expect more resources to be available to be able to be devoted to things, and while I appreciate the addition of features, I find it extremely strange that steps have been taken to actually reduce the visual appeal of the Plus product and website, which must have involved time and effort.

I'm not falling under the "if it's not broken, why fix it" banner entirely.

While if I had to choose between the old site and the new site, I would immediately go for the old (which has aged amazingly well). But if resources absolutely have to have been devoted to a visual overhaul, I find it absolutely horrible that something this low of a quality could have come into existence. Once again, this amateurish creation is under the banner of a company, not an individual.

I'm going to just end this post with an example, from a product that has also moved from an individual effort to a company effort. It also happens to have a large userbase of younger people. Guess whether this logo ended up going final?

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But isn't that smiley in that logo copyrighted?
Hence maybe why they changed it to:

which is not bad tbh....

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
[off topic]

But isn't that smiley in that logo copyrighted?
Hence maybe why they changed it to:

which is not bad tbh....

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Ah I see, that yellow smiley was the old new logo....
and that green pacman is the new new logo....

Either way, at least that old new logo was a contribution from the community itself apparently, which in turn didn't liked it... which is kind of strange if you think about it .... Hence it might be interesting to see the old old logo and the other entries for the old new design. You can't blame the company to use the best out of community created designs (unless there were better designs). Also, a month later they changed it into the new new logo; so, they listened to the community.

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Liked the old interface better, just looks like they took a step back and simplified it because they couldn't come up with anything decent themselves.

New website looks horrible, I think it gave me cancer =\

i can't say or do anything that will change anyones minds. at the end of the day you are all individuals and have strong beliefs one way or the other and nothing anyone says or does will change how you see things.

I personally am visually impaired and due to the small size of the preview images i can't tell how it looks so its hard for me to really give an opinion, but despite that no i don't like the visual design of the new plus or the new site.

However going back to what someone said about massively long posts requesting large lists of improvements that i think is what will need to happen again. Yuna don't know us like patchou does they need to learn what we like and don't like just like patchou had to.

At the end of the day like any company they exist to make money, they can only make money if they give their users what the users want, it might take them some time to catch up and give us what we want but they will get there eventually, the best thing we can do is continuously submit those long list of desired improvements to the forum just like last time so as to let them know what we want, after all if we sit here in silence and say nothing they will not know that anything is wrong.

i like the idea of integrating the site and forum together, i have seen such projects done before in the superdudes.net gaming community or on a superdudes fan site called challengefinder.net, it can give us some really cool features in the end but you do need the relevant experts working on it to make it happen, if yuna want to know the names of people who have worked on such projects before i can certainly point them in the right direction.

until the new site and software is released and i can give them my honest opinion on it then i shall just sit on the fence and try to remain objective.

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so its the job of a volunteer to be the grown up and contact the new owners?

like most people in the world would do, they've rightly taken bat n ball home after the new guys have given the impression of 'sod you, we don't need you'

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As you know, a feature of set nickname is disabled in WLM2011.
Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?

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Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?

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The short answer is: Technically Plus! might be able to let you set your nickname like in the old Messenger versions, but it wouldn't really matter. None of your contacts who use Messenger 2011 will see your nickname, they will still see your full name as you have is set on http://profile.live.com/details/edit/name.

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Yuna could integrate a "Plus! nickname" feature

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Originally posted by Chris4

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Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?

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The short answer is: Technically Plus! might be able to let you set your nickname like in the old Messenger versions, but it wouldn't really matter. None of your contacts who use Messenger 2011 will see your nickname, they will still see your full name as you have is set on http://profile.live.com/details/edit/name.

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Yuna could integrate a "Plus! nickname" feature (which only Plus! users would see) but that has its obvious downsides.

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I would like to see a "Plus! nickname" feature just because of the formatting stuff and so... I don't have any problem with showing my real name, I could change it in my Live Profile anyway

And Microsoft already started to set Windows Live Essentials 2011 as an important update, I have windows 7 and the Windows Updated downloaded the essentials 2011 updated and notified me but I hid it.

I still can sign in on Windows Live Messenger 2009 but I'm sure that soon we gonna get forced to use the new version as they always do each time they release a new msn.

Good thing Messenger Plus Live 5 is literally around the corner ^^

So what are you waiting for? Why dont you release a public beta? I'll explode if it's no released by next month!! I wanna mess around with a MSN buddy...

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And Microsoft already started to set Windows Live Essentials 2011 as an important update, I have windows 7 and the Windows Updated downloaded the essentials 2011 updated and notified me but I hid it.

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So what are you waiting for? Why dont you release a public beta? I'll explode if it's no released by next month!! I wanna mess around with a MSN buddy...

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Originally posted by thevampire2604
So what are you waiting for? Why dont you release a public beta? I'll explode if it's no released by next month!! I wanna mess around with a MSN buddy...

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If they do make a mandatory update, we can just set the compatibility mode t Windows XP, because Windows xp users have to use 2009 anyway

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Originally posted by dbgarza
...but I'm sure that soon we gonna get forced to use the new version as they always do each time they release a new msn.

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Originally posted by Chrissy
....because Windows xp users have to use 2009 anyway

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Good point there, and actually there is a security issue, why do you think that on Windows Live Messenger they disabled the clickeable links? For what I did read, it was because of a worm alert or something like that.

Oddly enough, in Windows Live Messenger 2011 the clickeable links aren't disabled, it is only on Windows Live Messenger 2009.

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Oddly enough, in Windows Live Messenger 2011 the clickeable links aren't disabled

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Originally posted by Nathalie

General release anticipated at the end of January, 2011

Messenger Plus! has released the private beta version of Plus! 5 to the testers, the fifth major version of the popular Messenger Plus! software.  The beta version of this software and new website is currently in the testing and translation process.  The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

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Originally posted by Honest Heart

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The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

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which day of January u mean 30 ? or what ?

anybody can answer ?

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The design of the homepage looks a bit dodgy. Reminds me of adware/spyware sites..
The messenger plus logo doesn't look fun anymore. It looks a bit..meh. Needs more colour.
but..as long as MP5 has skinning and everything works, I'll be a happy duck

I can't wait for this to be released

Hmm so much negativity....

Plus! 5 is looking promising, it looks ok but until I actually get to use it or have hands on with it and play around with all the option etc then I cant really say if I like it or hate it as just having small screenshots doesn't really work for me as I cant really judge on them alone. Same for the site it looks okay but prefer the one we have now, however I do think its time for a chance and the site is going to evolve. I like the old logo the new one is meh. in saying that its still only early days and it may very well get changed into something more awesome that words can describe lol. Hmmm as for the tree view thingy, I'm not sure if I'm all for that but at the same time I am. would be cool if you could choose a different view style kind of like in windows or something just as a example. Honestly the tree view looks better if you have so many option etc but looks a tad too small. There is but a fine line between making it too small and too big. At this point I cant really say if I like it or hate it, either the site or the Plus! 5. All I really care about is that this does not go and end up like messenger Discovery where without much of a warning it now no longer free. the free version is unusable with nag screens every 5 to 30 seconds. Anyway enough about that and more about Plus! 5, we will just have to wait until they are ready to release it and honestly I don't care if they don't release it until after the end of January as I would rather they take the time to make it perfect than to rush the release and only to have a buggy, glitchy Plus! that causes more headaches than its worth. Just look at many of the new games that get released this year, most of them are not completely finished and are so buggy it takes them like a year or longer to actually fix all the problems that their loyal fans, gamers, customers or what ever you want to call us/ them.

Anyway guy keep up the good work. as I sad at the start Plus! 5 is looking very promising!!!

Why did not The release of Plus! 5 ??

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Why did not The release of Plus! 5 ??

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Originally posted by x4x
Why did not The release of Plus! 5 ??

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Thank you all for your responses and we are waiting for new version
with my love
x4x hacker

I'll live to see the day that Yuna is going to develop its own messaging application. I'm kinda looking foward to it now. Is there any thoughts about it?!

about lang arabic will be Available

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about lang arabic will be Available

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Kinda interesting that the "Live tag" is being ditched... Does that mean that Plus! 5 will be installed at C:\Program Files (x86)\Messenger Plus!? And if so, will we need to move all our scripts and skins to that location? Or will the setup do that?

The skins and script may or may not be compatible with 5. I don't know as 5 looks like a complete rebuild. I'm sure someone can correct me if needed.

Scripts and Skins will continue to work on Plus! 5. The installer takes care of moving things.

I don't use any so its all good for those that do

As I read through the entire 13 pages of posts (not all posts though), It seems that there aren't any (or so i've read anyway) suggesting other forum/ideas.  Although mybb forum looks good as it is, have you tried phpbb, another popular favourites? or some other forum types/programs?  Maybe a site cms program like drupal or joomla could help design the site?

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Originally posted by mathken330
As I read through the entire 13 pages of posts (not all posts though), It seems that there aren't any (or so i've read anyway) suggesting other forum/ideas.  Although mybb forum looks good as it is, have you tried phpbb, another popular favourites? or some other forum types/programs?  Maybe a site cms program like drupal or joomla could help design the site?

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Beta testing will end exactly when ? Or Do you have a big problem in the beta version of ?

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Originally posted by wrongday
Beta testing will end exactly when ? Or Do you have a big problem in the beta version of ?

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Originally posted by Nathalie
The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

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Wow, Messenger Plus! has become a mess.

Nice work, Yuna. You've turned what was a nice-looking application and website into a dirty mess.

You need to spend your money on proper interface designers and web designer, probably throw in some money for ux whilst you're at it. The move to a larger company was supposed to be a positive thing.

Most of all though, listen to your audience. They all hate it.

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Originally posted by Talk2Luke
Wow, Messenger Plus! has become a mess.

Nice work, Yuna. You've turned what was a nice-looking application and website into a dirty mess.

You need to spend your money on proper interface designers and web designer, probably throw in some money for ux whilst you're at it. The move to a larger company was supposed to be a positive thing.

Most of all though, listen to your audience. They all hate it.

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Messenger Plus! 5 will work on Windows Live Messenger 2009?

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Originally posted by PedroGabriel
Messenger Plus! 5 will work on Windows Live Messenger 2009?

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Originally posted by PedroGabriel
Messenger Plus! 5 will work on Windows Live Messenger 2009?

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very good to know
Thanks fast answers!

since the website has been changed, why not take another screenshot of it an upload it to these forums and attach it in the First post? that way Yuna can get more feedback on its design and fix it

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Originally posted by Talk2Luke
Wow, Messenger Plus! has become a mess.

Nice work, Yuna. You've turned what was a nice-looking application and website into a dirty mess.

You need to spend your money on proper interface designers and web designer, probably throw in some money for ux whilst you're at it. The move to a larger company was supposed to be a positive thing.

Most of all though, listen to your audience. They all hate it.

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Originally posted by Zoidy
Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't Cookie a few posts before mention that they have since redesigned the site etc?

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Same here but I have not seen the newest design.

'end of january' approaches. Here it comes

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Originally posted by Zoidy
Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't Cookie a few posts before mention that they have since redesigned the site etc?

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true. it's still far from good but it does look better now (i still prefer the current website by gfd )

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Just have faith in them as what they are doing is hardly easy now is it? well to some it might be but me personally its far from it. I couldn't program if my life depended on it as I was never that good as getting my head around it was impossible lol

Do you now have a Releasedate for Plus! 5 or comes out 31.01.?

There is no exact release date only a rough guess as to when it might or should or could be released. They plan to release at the end of the month.

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Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
Do you now have a Releasedate for Plus! 5 or comes out 31.01.?

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Originally posted by Zoidy
Just have faith in them as what they are doing is hardly easy now is it? well to some it might be but me personally its far from it. I couldn't program if my life depended on it as I was never that good as getting my head around it was impossible lol

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Originally posted by SonicSam
What Talk2Luke is saying is, hire someone professional like traxordesigns.

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Originally posted by Talk2Luke


Really, really disappointing. What's even more disappointing is the responses I got to my original one saying that Cookie et al have said it's good. Why back somebody up when you haven't seen the new design yourself. I'm talking about the original ones.

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i think the Forum will be more concerning to people than the website since people will only go to the site just to click on DOWNLOAD  or get skins

Luke,

Zoidy's point is just as valid as yours.

All you've said is based upon the old thing, and that is also the point Zoidy tried to make with his response imo: "have faith" and hold your grunch, for now... because the old design is no more.

If you still feel that way (and I have a hunch you would though) after you've seen the new design then by all means say it, but for now you haven't seen the new design either so you can't judge it. Just as Zoidy can't judge it for now.

And for the record: I never said "it is good", I said "it is better" than before. It is a day and night difference from before. But this said..., there is still a lot left to improve upon.

PS: Also, I have seen shitloads of commercial websites done by high-payed professionals which looked far worse than even the original design of the new Plus! site fyi. I have also seen better of course.

Thanks Cookie, I'm sure they are keeping track of our comments and trying to improve on the area's that we don't like etc. Honestly to me the site doesn't matter to me how it looks as I wont use it often enough to really care about. The forum I'd use a lot more though but not as much as the end product i.e. Messenger Plus! 5, thats what I would care about how it looks and more importantly how it works and preforms.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
because the old design is no more.

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Originally posted by Zoidy
Thanks Cookie, I'm sure they are keeping track of our comments and trying to improve on the area's that we don't like etc.

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Originally posted by Zoidy
Honestly to me the site doesn't matter to me how it looks as I wont use it often enough to really care about. The forum I'd use a lot more though but not as much as the end product i.e. Messenger Plus! 5, thats what I would care about how it looks and more importantly how it works and preforms.

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Originally posted by toddy
cookie, how much a year do yuna pay you ?

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Originally posted by blessedguy

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
because the old design is no more.

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But when will we be able to see it?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
(no, I wont leak it)

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Originally posted by blessedguy

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
(no, I wont leak it)

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Not asking for a leak, asking for an update from Yuna [Jieff, Nathalie, any news we might be interested in? ]

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Jieff, big hint: they might be interested in a screenshot of the new website design though...

just the Website, thats all, i dont think thatts to hard of a task to do

Well, I don't know about another sneak peek. I usually get in trouble for doing that!



(Click to enlarge.)

Oh well, why not

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Originally posted by Jieff
Well, I don't know about another sneak peek. I usually get in trouble for doing that!

[http://msgplus.net/temp/Protoype_new_web_layout_3.png]

Oh well, why not

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I think it is indeed way better than the old new design, but do the oversized "share" icons really need to be there [or to be that oversized] ?

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Originally posted by blessedguy

Also:

And why there are so  many different backgrounds in such a small space?

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least it looks much better, not as bloated.

you'll have to just make the website more? than are all ready?

Sorry my English is not so good! I'm from Germany

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Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
you'll have to just make the website more? than are all ready?

Sorry my English is not so good! I'm from Germany

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@Cookie: It's a shame that you've worked with paid companies a lot of money to create commercial websites and have been unhappy with the result. You should've refused to pay for something you're not happy with.

@Jieff: No offence, but what's that site trying to achieve? The design would look ten times better if you didn't try and go for the "web 2.0" look. The web isn't about rounded corners, gradients and drop shadows anymore. Have a think about the typography of it and remember – there's no such thing as a "web-friendly" font anymore so you don't just have Arial, Verdana and Tahoma to choose from if you want sans-serif typefaces. Cufon & @font-face are you friend. It's all about the subtleties and, at the moment, that site looks like it was done in about 2005, it will stick it like a sore thumb on the web.

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Originally posted by Talk2Luke
@Cookie: It's a shame that you've worked with paid companies a lot of money to create commercial websites and have been unhappy with the result. You should've refused to pay for something you're not happy with.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS: Also, I have seen shitloads of commercial websites done by high-payed professionals which looked far worse than even the original design of the new Plus! site fyi. I have also seen better of course.

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I'm very excited to see the general release of Plus! 5

I have nothing to complain about the release because there is so much effort put behind this proyect and I recognize it

The only thing I have to say is Patchou don't make us to wait more time!! We want to try it now! (the enthusiasm)

PD: Sorry about the English

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Originally posted by devxon
I'm very excited to see the general release of Plus! 5

I have nothing to complain about the release because there is so much effort put behind this proyect and I recognize it

The only thing I have to say is Patchou don't make us to wait more time!! We want to try it now! (the enthusiasm)

PD: Sorry about the English

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Originally posted by Talk2Luke
@Cookie: It's a shame that you've worked with paid companies a lot of money to create commercial websites and have been unhappy with the result. You should've refused to pay for something you're not happy with.

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Since when Cookie said that?

it was like this:

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS: Also, I have seen shitloads of commercial websites done by high-payed professionals which looked far worse than even the original design of the new Plus! site fyi. I have also seen better of course.

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Originally posted by nimicitor

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Originally posted by devxon
I'm very excited to see the general release of Plus! 5

I have nothing to complain about the release because there is so much effort put behind this proyect and I recognize it

The only thing I have to say is Patchou don't make us to wait more time!! We want to try it now! (the enthusiasm)

PD: Sorry about the English

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Patchou? You mean Yuna. Welcome to 2011.

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Patchou turned into Yuna?

j/k, Yuna took over from Patchou as the top dog you could say (if I have that right)

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Originally posted by Zoidy
Patchou turned into Yuna?

j/k, Yuna took over from Patchou as the top dog you could say (if I have that right)

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News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?

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Originally posted by msilv1988
News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?

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Originally posted by msilv1988
News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?

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come on man i'm so missing msn plus it's not funny, updated my msn by mistake and now stuck with stupid thing - been waiting so long for msn + 5!! we're at the end of January now!! come on dudes!!

I had the coolest layout, like all my windows were jet black - I could open 2 accounts at the same time, was just awesome.. I updated it boom it's all gone and I'm back to the horrid old outlook

I even changed all my sounds for like when people sign in and stuff, all gone too,, hm yes I need to get out more!

maclennan1982: You'll thank us testers when it finally comes out, there are still a few bugs that'd irritate the most patient of users .

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updated my msn by mistake and now stuck with stupid thing - been waiting so long for msn + 5!

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Well Windows Live Messenger 2011 is a mandatory update for Windows 7. It automatically updates to Windows Live Messenger 2011 after installing Service Pack 1. You can't blame users for doing that...

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Well Windows Live Messenger 2011 is a mandatory update for Windows 7. It automatically updates to Windows Live Messenger 2011 after installing Service Pack 1. You can't blame users for doing that...

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Originally posted by Jieff
Well, I don't know about another sneak peek. I usually get in trouble for doing that!

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=96...1006527#pid1006527

(Click to enlarge.)

Oh well, why not

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Originally posted by msilv1988
News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?

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It is currently being tested and translated, so yes it is almost ready.

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you still working on the website?

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you still working on the website?

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you still working on the website?

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Yes.

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how long will it last?

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Thank You for the Information!

Is it working with 8.5?

I very much doubt it, because 8.5 is no longer useable without hacking the Messenger exe, which is illegal.

How to hack it?

using hex?

I think windows ME or windows 98 cant install 2009 only 8.5 lul

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I think windows ME or windows 98 cant install 2009 only 8.5

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idk but 8.5 still works with ma friends for some reason lol

Have you had the last 4 days? very exciting

Hello, you have information? I can't wait that he(it) is finished!

When it will launch its five messenger plus?

No date yet. Yuna are squashing bugs. End of the month is the latest figure (things are hectic I hear)

PS: I dunno if I should say this or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is delayed a few days though. As Oxy rightfully states, things are extremely hectic atm (you know, like too much stuff todo, too little time, that sort of thing). But also note that this is by no means an official statement, just my own observation as translator/beta tester.

Good Things Take Time

ill take it with bugs, can do updates LOL

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ill take it with bugs, can do updates LOL

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if it was bugless then there would be something seriously wrong. Name one new game or software thats bugless when its first released? cant think of any can you? lol

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Originally posted by Zoidy
f it was bugless then there would be something seriously wrong. Name one new game or software thats bugless when its first released? cant think of any can you? lol

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it was an example as games are software also =P

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Originally posted by Zoidy
it was an example as games are software also =P

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Originally posted by Zoidy
if it was bugless then there would be something seriously wrong. Name one new game or software thats bugless when its first released? cant think of any can you? lol

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Originally posted by blessedguy
"there's a software in this bug"

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Originally posted by badboybub
ill take it with bugs, can do updates LOL

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Originally posted by Oxy

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Originally posted by blessedguy
"there's a software in this bug"

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qft

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As Cookie was suggesting

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
support teams do not want to answer on stuff like "my directory got wiped out" or "my private email is broadcasted to the rest of the world"

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Have you had the last 1 day? I can not wait Have had a problem with beta testing? Do you have any problems with or related plus ? I have most curious thing is still a definite lack of information

There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.

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Originally posted by blessedguy
There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.

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It says in the end of january, isnt that now?

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Originally posted by soppskalle
It says in the end of january, isnt that now?

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Originally posted by blessedguy
There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.

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That means we have to wait any longer? I was glad to the new version

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Originally posted by foaly


True, but I think a lot of people would like a status update.
Waiting can be really frustrating if you don't know how long you have to wait...

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I understand that you'd like a status update, but it's up to Yuna Software to do so. I can say that I see a lot of progress is made and everyone's doing their best to make Plus! meet the quality demands from its user base. No worries, your patience will be rewarded.

However, nobody can tell exactly when Plus! 5 will see a public release. Yes, Yuna Software is targeting an end of January release but that doesn't mean that it will be released before 1 February. The primary goal is as always to build a quality product, there's no use in releasing a semi-working product.

May I also ask Alias not to spread false information about the release date? The target date is not set in stone, statements such as "since it's 30 January it has to be released within two days" make no sense. If you're that eager to know when it's released, simply check these forums. If Plus! 5 is released or a release date is announced, you will see it. If it isn't, come back later. It's that simple.

since the view contact card is not in wlm 2011 anymore and i miss that feature... editing my contacts directly from msn and not opening a web browser to edit them or save the information or view the informations about my contacts
is it possible to see it in msg plus 5???

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Originally posted by siemprebuenoo
is it possible to see it in msg plus 5???

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Originally posted by siemprebuenoo
since the view contact card is not in wlm 2011 anymore and i miss that feature... editing my contacts directly from msn and not opening a web browser to edit them or save the information or view the informations about my contacts
is it possible to see it in msg plus 5???

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Any idea when this will be released?

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Originally posted by NLT
Any idea when this will be released?

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Will polygamy and NudgesToolScripts actually works on new version MSNplus 5 with WLM2011?

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Originally posted by R120
Will polygamy and NudgesToolScripts actually works on new version MSNplus 5 with WLM2011?

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We desperately need the new version, it's the end of January already. I know that deadlines suck but oh well.. WLM2011 simply sucks all the way and the only reason I've been using it for 10 days is that I like the new WLMail and the idea of Plus!5.. A newsflash would be ideal right now just to keep us alerted.

Alerted on what? Just wait patiently, you don't want to get Plus! with all the bugs it has [judging by the amount of activity in the private forums and translators having problems].

Everything you need to know was already said:

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Originally posted by Lou
Stay patient everyone, it will be released when it is ready.

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Originally posted by Matti
I understand that you'd like a status update, but it's up to Yuna Software to do so. I can say that I see a lot of progress is made and everyone's doing their best to make Plus! meet the quality demands from its user base. No worries, your patience will be rewarded.

However, nobody can tell exactly when Plus! 5 will see a public release. Yes, Yuna Software is targeting an end of January release but that doesn't mean that it will be released before 1 February. The primary goal is as always to build a quality product, there's no use in releasing a semi-working product.

May I also ask Alias not to spread false information about the release date? The target date is not set in stone, statements such as "since it's 30 January it has to be released within two days" make no sense. If you're that eager to know when it's released, simply check these forums. If Plus! 5 is released or a release date is announced, you will see it. If it isn't, come back later. It's that simple.

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Originally posted by blessedguy
There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.

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Originally posted by MeEtc
As Cookie was suggesting

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
support teams do not want to answer on stuff like "my directory got wiped out" or "my private email is broadcasted to the rest of the world"

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Not all bugs are annoyances in the software. Some of them are privacy and security related that can and will compromise user information. Stuff like this NEEDS to be fixed and done so properly before a general release can be made available.

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They're working On squashing bugs unfortunately. Read previous posts for more information on that front.

plus live! rocks. ill be happy to enjoy it when it coes out. you peeps do good work, i for one trust your doing things just as they need to be done and well have a good product to play with when time is right

Kya...>.<...it's take to long to publish..>.<..today is already end of january...

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Originally posted by thunde12
Kya...>.<...it's take to long to publish..>.<..today is already end of january...

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take your time guys!
you don't need to rush cause hundreds of people are asking again again and again for this new Plus!5.

They'll get it at the right time!

Just thank you for providing this tool!

it'll be released tomorrow , no one has said anything different from yuna

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Originally posted by thunde12
Kya...>.<...it's take to long to publish..>.<..today is already end of january...

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Not in Canada anyway, they told us the release was TARGETED at the end of this month, they didn't give an official release date.

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only confirmed for me then, as I understand is the msg coming out tomorrow plus 5?
I am Brazilian and I have to use a translator to understand what you say!

sorry if I repeat something I asked.

I thank you.

i don't understand all this rush to upgrade plus....

uhm

Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol

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Originally posted by magicfly
i don't understand all this rush to upgrade plus....

uhm

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Originally posted by benzo93
Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol

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Originally posted by benzo93
Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol

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It's somebody trying to impersonate Plus! 5. It's *not* the official site at all - and I recommend you not download anything off the site!

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Just did a quick resource hack on the installation file downloaded from msnplus5.com; looks like it's just a 4.90 setup:

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Originally posted by ResHack

1 VERSIONINFO
FILEVERSION 4,90,0,392
PRODUCTVERSION 4,90,0,392
FILEOS 0x40004
FILETYPE 0x2
{
BLOCK "StringFileInfo"
{
    BLOCK "000004b0"
    {
        VALUE "CompanyName", "Yuna Software"
        VALUE "FileDescription", "Messenger Plus! Live Setup"
        VALUE "FileVersion", "4, 90, 0, 392"
        VALUE "InternalName", "MsgPlusLive"
        VALUE "LegalCopyright", "Copyright 2001-2010 Yuna Software"
        VALUE "OriginalFilename", "Setup.exe"
        VALUE "ProductName", "Messenger Plus! Live"
        VALUE "ProductVersion", "4, 90, 0, 392"
    }
}

BLOCK "VarFileInfo"
{
    VALUE "Translation", 0x0000 0x04B0
}
}

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Msg plus live will be released today right?
or next year?

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Originally posted by ered
Msg plus live will be released today right?
or next year?

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I'm already impatient, said in December that it was now late January and so far nothing

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Originally posted by nemo0
I'm already impatient, said in December that it was now late January and so far nothing

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Originally posted by benzo93
Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol

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Originally posted by Mnjul
It's somebody trying to impersonate Plus! 5. It's *not* the official site at all...

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Originally posted by Spunky
Registrant: Elvio Sousa, Estrada da Areia n.23, ...

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Just did a quick resource hack on the installation file downloaded from msnplus5.com; looks like it's just a 4.90 setup:

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Before we are very thanks. Because messenger plus live 5 coming

Amazing programs

perhaps tthere should be a actual official update from Yuna rep on when the next " Target " release could be

While we wait, could any of you please tell us a bit more about the preferences and options? I couldn't find anything here (maybe this information is somewhere else I didn't notice, I hope not).

I mean, I would like to know if there is anything new, or if there was anything you considered not useful enough in the previous versions and deleted/modified it. Major things, not every little change you made.

I have to say that, contrary to most comments I have read, I like the new look. Trying to use too many icons in settings and options panels often ends up being a bit annoying and distracting, so these neat menus look nicer to me.

Keep up the good work! I, for one, don't mind waiting a little longer if the result is worth it.

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Originally posted by Clairekun
I would like to know if there is anything new

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Originally posted by Clairekun
or if there was anything you considered not useful enough in the previous versions and deleted/modified it. Major things, not every little change you made.

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end of J star of F.

I cant wait xD

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Originally posted by Clairekun
I would like to know if there is anything new

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Originally posted by Clairekun
or if there was anything you considered not useful enough in the previous versions and deleted/modified it. Major things, not every little change you made.

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Nope...



Does that answer your questions?

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where is the MESSENGER PLUS 5 Ò.ó
Today is the end of January
._____.

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Originally posted by ChaosMaker
where is the MESSENGER PLUS 5 Ò.ó
Today is the end of January
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ChaosMaker, PedroGabriel: Please read Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?"

Thanks blessedguy.

They've had plenty of time to get the software updated but they decided to do the software and website at the same time blah. We want the software not the website. They could have done that after they got everything working with msn 2011 instead of giving a version of plus that only half works with it.

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Originally posted by nemo0
revolted, February 1 and nothing ¬¬'

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Originally posted by aflove65
They've had plenty of time to get the software updated but they decided to do the software and website at the same time blah. We want the software not the website. They could have done that after they got everything working with msn 2011 instead of giving a version of plus that only half works with it.

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Originally posted by aflove65
They've had plenty of time to get the software updated but they decided to do the software and website at the same time blah. We want the software not the website. They could have done that after they got everything working with msn 2011 instead of giving a version of plus that only half works with it.

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Afaik, there is people in charge of the website development, and people in charge of the software development. Those who are involved in the software aren't involved with the website and viceversa (correct me if I'm wrong). Also keep in mind the fact that if Patchou still continued to be the only one working on Plus! 5, we even wouldn't be expecting the software to be ready soon.

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So is there a "ACTUAL" date messenger plus 5 will be released?? Sorry to sound rude but First it says earlier December and then its say end of January. Umm gets kinda misleading sometimes, I realize that these things do take time but these things also have a deadline too. But none the less can't wait for messenger plus 5 to be out. Keep up the great work.

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Originally posted by CheekyGirl
So is there a "ACTUAL" date messenger plus 5 will be released??

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Thanks Mnjul

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Logs – advanced online and local logging functions

Users can now view and search their logs locally or online on the MyPlus! server. Users can now access their logs from anywhere and at anytime, similar to the way they can access online email or other social media accounts.  Advanced log options are also available for local viewing.

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You can always choose to save your logs locally and not to the servers.

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Wont this effect the privacy?

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Is there a way to disable connections between plus and the internet world XD?

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Oh I see...

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Oh I see...



So the owner of the server wont be able to read anything?

or you can choose your own server or own host

that would be awesome if you ask me

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This is a very long drawn out period.How much more will have to wait ?First, they said in December after the end of January.Now Is the end of February was ?

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Originally posted by kabso 5
So the owner of the server wont be able to read anything?

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Originally posted by wrongday
This is a very long drawn out period.How much more will have to wait ?First, they said in December after the end of January.Now Is the end of February was ?

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Now correct me if I'm wrong here but I honestly don't remember Yuna or anyone among the staff, programmers etc actually saying as a guarantee release date being on the 31st of January. In saying that I do remember them saying that they "hope" NOT "will" have it done at the end of January. I couldn't care less if its not released for another month. I rather have a fully working and operation Plus! than a half assed faulty one that falls over every 5 minutes due to crashes etc.

damn you guys, be patient, if you guys got issues with current 2011wlm than uninstall 2011 and install 2009 wlm, then use 4.9. yuna is doing so much for us, least you guys could do is appreciate. just because he gave a date and couldnt finish is, doesnt mean you people just blabber whatever you want! if it wasnt for him you would be using msgplus in the 1st place!
and to the moderator
msg plus is real cool, but some bugs i encounter are,
1ometimes some contacts dont appear to be online when they are and when they sign out, they are shown as online!
2:issues with the script compactabilty, so i used A-patch[ http://apatch.org/ ], i dont know if it has any conflict with msn or your msgplus, but if you could do something combine as such, that would be really appreciated!
3kins slows down the wlm, makes it hang also.
if any progress do let me know
im a proud fan, thanks alot to yuna, and i really im eager to use msgplus 5! with its cool features.
good luck, and best wishes
-J

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Originally posted by nemo0
revolted, February 1 and nothing ¬¬'

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Haven't you been reading? It was targeted, it wasn't a guarantee. It still needs some work.

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i didn't like that the view contact card and editing the contact directly from wlm has been removed. any news about doing it from msgplus 5? am still waiting if not i wanna change to wlm 2009

Right now I don't care about the delay. I only want the "Contacts who deleted you" function works in Plus! 5 properly

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Originally posted by devxon
Right now I don't care about the delay. I only want the "Contacts who deleted you" function works in Plus! 5 properly

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I'm surprised nobody suggested Feb. 29th as a potential release date yet

* Apatik runs

Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone!

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Originally posted by Apatik
I'm surprised nobody suggested Feb. 29th as a potential release date yet

* Apatik runs


Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone!

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I'm surprised nobody suggested Feb. 29th as a potential release date yet

* Apatik runs


Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone!

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Hey, get back to work

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Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone!

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thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!

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Originally posted by zaara
thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!

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thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!

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Originally posted by OzFlyGuy
Yuna needs to learn about how not to create unrealistic expectations, and in the event they do, how to marshall all resources at break neck speed to meet them!

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thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!

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then means that today not release plus5? =(

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Originally posted by Lou
Next time, please read through at least a few posts.

It will be released when it is ready and only when it is ready.[/size]

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This is really unfair from Yuna team, i don't if someone remember when they said that the realease of MSG plus would be for the ends of October/November, then they posponed it for December, then January and what the hell is going on!?!?!?!?!

I know and understand it is pretty hard to build such applications, including all the stuff with it (website, forums, etc, etc), and it is also a freeware software, but it is really annoying to be more than 4 months since the realese of MSG Plus! 4.90... because it was half-way built. I'm complaining because it is really sad and frustrating to be expecting something promised since 3 months ago to be released but still nothing!!!!!!! I think instead of just be promising you should just released it without any anticipation until it was done, that way the 5 MILLION of USERS wouldn't be MAD!!!!

I'll try to explain this, even though Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?" is clear enough.
It was NEVER promised it would be released at all.
DELAYS HAPPEN, understand it please.
YES WE KNOW YOU HAVE EXPECTATIONS, do you think we don't? We've (in a certain way) been part of Plus! history, we are really upset about the delays either, but we know it happens and we understand Yuna hasn't finished their work yet.
WE DO NOT KNOW THE RELEASE DATE, and Yuna has NEVER confirmed any date, they made PREVISIONS, which clearly was way inaccurate.
We are f tired of replying and trying to explain in a polite way that YOU NEED TO BE PATIENT AND WAIT MORE.

Thank you

/lala

Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised. They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset. If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.

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Originally posted by aflove65
Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised. They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset. If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.

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Originally posted by aflove65
Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised. They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset. If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.

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It wasn't promised. 
People were complaining for weeks already because WLM was released and Plus needed to be compatible, Yuna did what Patchou used to: release a half compatible version while the next one is coded. Coincidently, the next version was basically a complete rewrite from scratch.
And they are working on it, wait. They are working for days already only solving bugs, can't you be a little considerate to them and wait for their work to be completed?

And I swear it is my last reply in this post, if you read at least a single message and didn't understand, we can't help, sorry. 

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yeah neither plus 5 or the new website was ready in December.

Nobody wants undercooked chicken! Think of the Plus 5 experience as that chicken.... slow roasting on a low temperature yields a damn tasty roast dinner!

Well...

I am German and I am new to this forum. But I use Messenger Plus! for years. And I am really confident with it. It is a nice tool, that makes the usage of WLM much easier. It enabled conversation in tabs before Microsoft integrated it. The available skins are also awsome. Thumbs up to Yuna!

Okay...
I am also a little bit impatient about the release of Messenger Plus! 5.
But, as aNILEator said, software developement needs time.
Well, I think, many users are waiting about a statement, if it might be ready in the next few days or if it'll take some weeks.
So a note about that would be nice.

Greetings from Germany,


Taxidriver05

Funny comment aNILEator!

However, in your situation one would suggest you actually bought the chicken, where MsgPlusLive is free. That should give one even less reason to complain! On top of that, free things generally taste better...

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Originally posted by aflove65
Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised.

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Originally posted by aflove65
They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset.

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Originally posted by aflove65
If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.

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Plus5! i waiting for you.. =D

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Originally posted by OzFlyGuy
h and btw, it's really tacky to highlight your responses by using gigantic fonts .. would be much better you learn to manage the expectations you create.

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However, in your situation one would suggest you actually bought the chicken, where MsgPlusLive is free. That should give one even less reason to complain! On top of that, free things generally taste better...

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If someone can leak out the 5 Beta (torrent) we would be all very happy i think. I will take the bugs for free if there are any bugs. In the first MsgPlus there where also bugs, so please put out the 5 version. I think people are walking away to other IM software.....

So if someone knows a torrent to download the 5 Beta please let me know.

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So if someone knows a torrent to download the 5 Beta please let me know.

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its taking forever

Jan is OVER

So do you guys have a new targeted realease date?

WE DON'T HAVE A RELEASE DATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People need to read!

who can read a clear advantage!

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Originally posted by piposervisair
If someone can leak out the 5 Beta (torrent) we would be all very happy i think. I will take the bugs for free...

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Originally posted by piposervisair
If someone can leak out the 5 Beta (torrent) we would be all very happy i think.
So if someone knows a torrent to download the 5 Beta please let me know.

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I will take the bugs for free if there are any bugs.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised


And when you're back Plus!5 will be waiting and ready for you...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised


And when you're back Plus!5 will be waiting and ready for you...

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Is that a promise?

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I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.

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Originally posted by botpet
I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.

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Originally posted by botpet
I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.

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a nice proposal...

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YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET YOUR HANDS ON A RELEASE FROM THE PRIVATE BETA; SO STOP ASKING!

YOU AREN'T GOING TO BECOME A PART OF THE BETA TEAM.

We don't know anything more than you do. Kimahri Software imforms Nathalie (from Yuna Software a date), she then informs the community.

Hm
I didnt ask for any actual private beta versions. My Suggestion is about the future. Before final version (that may be ready in months, since no sure date for release) there could be released a specialy prepared public version. But I am not in the team, and i don't know more details, so my opinion is just an outstander's opinion

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Originally posted by botpet
I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.

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No hurry.

I know how much testing is required for a product.

In the past I did some betatests myself (especially games, official ones and mods).

I guess some people just see the beautiness of it, just to have new stuff in their hands.

But testing requires alot of patience, time and goodwill...

So go ahead and make us proud

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Sure, why don't developers just throw their creations straight at the public so the whole world can help testing it? Unfortunately, things don't work that way.

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First of all, there are very good reasons to go through a private testing stage first. When a new build is compiled, it could contain massive bugs which may potentially affect a lot of users and may even result in a loss of data. (Cookie can testify this. Poor Cookie.) If such a build would be released to the public, it could harm thousands of computers and destroy the reputation of the program forever.

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Also, most of the users won't test the program properly. They'll just run with it, use it like they're used to and don't care about the features they don't use - potentially missing a bug. If they would find a problem, they probably won't even go to the forums to report it but go complain somewhere else which makes it impossible to track the issues. If they'd manage to find these forums and create a thread, it's very likely that their report will be very vague and doesn't provide much interesting details such as system information or step-by-step instructions on how to reproduce the problem. I'm not saying that every user is like this, I'm talking about the "average" user here. Private beta testers not only make detailed bug reports, they also go through the whole features set trying out every possible combination and pushing the software to its limits. Heck, they'd even mess with their files and registry if they had to and see how the program reacts. A very rare breed indeed.

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I think the people who create free software should do things the way they want to do it and we should sit with our hands open and wait till something good falls into them

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Originally posted by matty
YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET YOUR HANDS ON A RELEASE FROM THE PRIVATE BETA; SO STOP ASKING!

YOU AREN'T GOING TO BECOME A PART OF THE BETA TEAM.

We don't know anything more than you do. Kimahri Software imforms Nathalie (from Yuna Software a date), she then informs the community.

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calm people...we're talking (or shouting) for just a program...nothing to do with real life.

i think we can live also without msnn plus 5, until it will be out...

sometimes cyber life is worse than real one...

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Originally posted by piposervisair
If a person TALKS WITH BIG LETTERS THAT MEANS THEY SHOUT TO PEOPLE so stop souting to people. When a small group of Beta tester are here, that looks like a Sect like the people at Wako!!!!!! Make a public beta, like Mozilla is doing (Mozilla is ALSO for free) Im a beta tester for Mozilla for years now, and they love to release Public, because they get a lot of bugs reports.

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OPEN SOURCE IS THE WORD I WILL USE HERE......

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p.s. to all people if i find any torrent i will post it here

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Originally posted by piposervisair

p.s. to all people if i find any torrent i will post it here

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Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.

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Originally posted by matty
Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.

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Yes.

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Instead of replying to impatient users, close this thread.

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Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.

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Yes.

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Care to name a few or one? And notice I said Operating Systems.

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Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.

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Yes.

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Care to name a few or one? And notice I said Operating Systems.

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Windows 7

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Instead of replying to impatient users, close this thread.

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Only AFTER months/years of PRIVATE beta testing!
Windows 7 was being developped even before Vista was officially released in public (ps: yes, they are now already working on the successor of Windows 7)

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If a person TALKS WITH BIG LETTERS THAT MEANS THEY SHOUT TO PEOPLE so stop souting to people.

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Make a public beta, like Mozilla is doing (Mozilla is ALSO for free) <snip> and they love to release Public, because they get a lot of bugs reports.

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p.s. to all people if i find any torrent i will post it here

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Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.

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Windows 7 was still publicly beta tested even if it was months longer in private lol

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Only AFTER months/years of PRIVATE beta testing!
Windows 7 was being developped even before Vista was officially released in public (ps: yes, they are now already working on the successor of Windows 7)

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I think MsgPlus! 5 is ALSO private tested since months!

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Ok, NVM.
Suggestion: with future versions NEVER give out targeted release dates. Simply say: "it will be out when it is ready". You can avoid only this way these posts.

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Ok, NVM.
Suggestion: with future versions NEVER give out targeted release dates. Simply say: "it will be out when it is ready". You can avoid only this way these posts.

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Suggestion: with future versions NEVER give out targeted release dates. Simply say: "it will be out when it is ready". You can avoid only this way these posts.

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just let it out already its already February

Things like this happens all the time, there is no way to predict bugs that they will find.

On a next time Yuna should take another approach, without saying a release date,  they could twitt/tease us with msgplus updates (just to let us know they aren't dead)

Ok, but if the development team says "we are working on it, it will be out in the first quartier of 2011"...
Summary: I had an idea about public testing period, but since I am not in the developement team, I can't say more. I just tried to find a solution that is good for both "side". I understand the developement team's problem (if they have ) and the user-side's too.
Btw I am patient, thats much better if we have a stable and "bug-free" version 2 months later than having a version now with crashes and bugs and so on.
So keep up the good work, MsgPlus is so far the best messenger plug-in.

CookieRevised, you quoted the wrong person! Well, perhaps not, however what is dictated in your quote is not what I originally stated.

See, these are the replies which we'd rather not see:

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just let it out already its already February

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Don't expect from users to make a diff between target date and release date, that's wishfull thinking....
I understand why people like to get a new release off Messenger Plus! Live, the current version doesn't work with WLM 2011.

Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?

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Development is still ongoing with bugs being reported and fixed.

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Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?

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Originally posted by Lievense
Don't expect from users to make a diff between target date and release date, that's wishfull thinking....
I understand why people like to get a new release off Messenger Plus! Live, the current version doesn't work with WLM 2011.

Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?

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Originally posted by Lievense
Don't expect from users to make a diff between target date and release date, that's wishfull thinking....
I understand why people like to get a new release off Messenger Plus! Live, the current version doesn't work with WLM 2011.

Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?

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yeah, so they can pile on the  Plus toolbars to pay for it

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Does this mean WLM 2011 is fully rebuilded... Can't believe  this. They might have migrated there platform and added functionality but couldn't Yuna do the same and then upgrade ?

If I have to pay for (Yeah, all my sw is licenced) proper and ontime updates I would do this. Always better then the current situation.

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Originally posted by Lievense
Does this mean WLM 2011 is fully rebuilded... Can't believe  this. They might have migrated there platform and added functionality but couldn't Yuna do the same and then upgrade ?

If I have to pay for (Yeah, all my sw is licenced) proper and ontime updates I would do this. Always better then the current situation

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Even paid software hits snags and has delays.

But this comic (albeit making fun of situations like these) kinda hits the nail on the head.

That doesn't explain to me why Yuna can't upgrade / rebuild old functionality, quickly.
Facebook integration is added / new functionality and should be a show stopper.

Hah.

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Originally posted by Lievense
That doesn't explain to me why Yuna can't upgrade / rebuild old functionality, quickly.
Facebook integration is added / new functionality and should be a show stopper.

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The show stopper was a type, sorry. I meant it shouldn't be one.

dont argue with Lou,

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The show stopper was a type, sorry. I meant it shouldn't be one.

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Messenger Plus! Live

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Should be out soon people..

Think they're having problems getting the Virus to work with the Sponsor Program!

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Development is still ongoing with bugs being reported and fixed.

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See, now something even that simple as a statement on the front page probably would have saved the Forum-Goers a lot of headaches, lol.

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Originally posted by Lievense
Does this mean WLM 2011 is fully rebuilded... Can't believe  this. They might have migrated there platform and added functionality but couldn't Yuna do the same and then upgrade ?

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Originally posted by Lievense
That doesn't explain to me why Yuna can't upgrade / rebuild old functionality, quickly.
Facebook integration is added / new functionality and should be a show stopper.

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Originally posted by Chrissy
Should be out soon people..

Think they're having problems getting the Virus to work with the Sponsor Program!

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Hi Plus! team members and programmers..
first of all excuse me for my English grammar, anyhow i have just registered cuz i saw some foolish people whining and blaming you all for the delay, and i wanted to tell you that from the first moment of upgrading WLM 2011 i simply said (This is a whole new platform and i bet there will be no plus! release for it for now, and it will take too much time to get a new release) and i went here and i was right.. im no programmer or anything but i understand how it is difficult on you people, i was and all of us was a huge fan of u people getting amazing stuff on our messenger, people should put their selves in your shoes and imagine how hard work it is for building a whole new platform that is compatible with the new official messenger which i see that its so hard to do cuz everything in the WLM 2011 is completely different..
people should be patient and really thankful, i mean Really thankful for you guys and stop being rude and acting like fools with no manners, i enter this site and forum everyday just hoping that the new release comes out and i am in no surprise of the delay. thank you all for the hard work you really are something, and just ignore fool people getting around telling you to release it already.

excuse me for my excitement about the new release when i ask this question but can you give us an estimated time or date? just tell people that it will be released between two dates if it was soon, it will make me happy and relaxed and also makes idiots shut up lol

wow i wrote too much hehe
ok keep it up we are waiting

Bader from Bahrain,,,

Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.

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Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.

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Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.

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Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.

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olèèèèèèèèè!!!!

By days, I mean working days, so start counting on Monday

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By days, I mean working days, so start counting on Monday

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http://www.msgplus5.com/

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http://www.msgplus5.com/

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Start spamming on Monday!

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http://www.msgplus5.com/

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Originally posted by fiftytwo
http://www.msgplus5.com/

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Why do I feel like this is a fake site that a mod should delete real soon?

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Really? I can't find any information about it on the forums. Is it the new community site? I can imagine so, otherwise I don't know why it would advertise Plus! v5

Personally I've been using http://www.msgpluslive.net/ since... a lot of years ago, I would consider that to be the only official homepage.

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Really? I can't find any information about it on the forums. Is it the new community site? I can imagine so, otherwise I don't know why it would advertise Plus! v5

Personally I've been using http://www.msgpluslive.net/ since... a lot of years ago, I would consider that to be the only official homepage.

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Really? I can't find any information about it on the forums. Is it the new community site? I can imagine so, otherwise I don't know why it would advertise Plus! v5

Personally I've been using http://www.msgpluslive.net/ since... a lot of years ago, I would consider that to be the only official homepage.

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It is.

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http://msgplus5.com was the test site for the new website. Eventually it and http://msgpluslive.net will redirect to http://msgplus.net if I am not mistaken. The "Live" tag is being dropped therefore they won't be using http://msgpluslive.net any longer. Once Messenger Plus! 5 goes live the new site will replace the current one.

Obviously all speculation but I have a pretty good idea of what is going on .

Ah, there we go. My bad! Normally I would instantly mistrust a site that advertises software versions that aren't supposed to be out yet.

The official domain address for Messenger Plus! is  www.msgplus.net 

This will continue to be the official address after the release of Plus! 5.

Currently it points to the Messenger Plus! Live site.   Many of the other addresses discussed in the forum are/were for testing purposes only.

Yes, and where actually is it? It is now the 3rd of February and it has not yet been released. I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. You could have at least told us that there's a delay.

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Originally posted by m4th5
Yes, and where actually is it? It is now the 3rd of February and it has not yet been released. I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. You could have at least told us that there's a delay.

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Originally posted by m4th5
Yes, and where actually is it? It is now the 3rd of February and it has not yet been released. I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. You could have at least told us that there's a delay.

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There were more bugs found then the development team had time to fix. Network infrastructure issues. Patchou is no longer the only developer so he has to train and mentor the new developers; plus they have to learn the code.

The list could go on and on.

thx for the reply

They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's

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They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx

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Originally posted by Frackounet
They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's

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What buddy icons exactly are you referring to? Furthermore, que est-ce que tu n'aime pas avec les buddy icons?

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They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's

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What buddy icons exactly are you referring to? Furthermore, que est-ce que tu n'aime pas avec les buddy icons?

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He's referring to early Windows Live Messenger "buddies", those green icons that represented each buddy in your contact list and indicated the status.

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then

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But they are indeed using it in the screenshots

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Originally posted by blessedguy

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then

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But they are indeed using it in the screenshots

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Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..

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I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then

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But they are indeed using it in the screenshots

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Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..

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It uses the old icons; guaranteed.

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Well, I'm confused. I guess I'll let this one slide. Hope a custom skin can fix the issue for Mr. Frackounet in the future if necessary!

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I can't see the icons do you mean, can you post a screenshot to see the icons you're talking about?

Thank you

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I can't see the icons do you mean, can you post a screenshot to see the icons you're talking about?

Thank you

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Well that's just because it's the Windows Live Messenger logo, not status icons.

thank you blessedguy

PD: Do you mean that icons or the status icons? as said Arcticwolfx

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Well that's just because it's the Windows Live Messenger logo, not status icons.

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thank you blessedguy

PD: Do you mean that icons or the status icons? as said Arcticwolfx

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perhaps someone at Yuna should update this http://www.msgplus5.com/News

We all like Messenger Plus!, but we don't like to wait for an announced date to find nothing.

I believe MSGPLUS! team need to change their way of pointing important dates and use the exact way used by others. For example, announce that a new version will be out in 2011 Q1 or somewhere between 2010Q4 and 2011Q1, and then, announce that it'll be out in few days when you feel that it's almost done. Finally, when you feel that Plus! is ready announce a launch date.

I know people may feel bad because they have to wait longer time, but they'll absolutely not wait for 2 months then become disappointed.

I appreciate your efforts
I just wanted to post my suggestion here



thanks for your time

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Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.

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This is what it wants to be a scam ?

Can't wait for msn plus 5 to be out. Because I've installed msn plus 4.9 and it doesn't even work What's up with that?? It just tells me under the Plus tab that the software isn't loaded.. And this is with msn 2011. Can anyone help me here please??..
Thanks

will my nickname ALIAS be carried over to the new forum?

if not why not? i have searched myh previous nickname on the members area on msgplus5.com an it only shows ICQ which i dont wanna use

Will pigs fly in Plus! v5?


@delirium18 As far as I can tell so far, it's supposedly a test site you're not really supposed to see yet. The new version should be out in a few days and then you can find real download links on any of the official Messenger Plus! sites.

@CheekyGirl Did you disable safe mode?

@Alias You might need to use an Alias. [/cheapshot]

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Originally posted by Alias
will my nickname ALIAS be carried over to the new forum?

if not why not? i have searched myh previous nickname on the members area on msgplus5.com an it only shows ICQ which i dont wanna use

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Originally posted by Alias

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Now people will start asking about where to get the beta

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you could find someone that could hack the beta forum for yyou to get it

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Assuming it's uploaded on it or linked to. In which case one might try to query and download every file on the servers... perhaps we shouldn't discuss this here.

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Originally posted by codeone
We all like Messenger Plus!, but we don't like to wait for an announced date to find nothing.
...
wait for 2 months then become disappointed.

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This is what it wants to be a scam ?

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Originally posted by CheekyGirl
I've installed msn plus 4.9 and it doesn't even work What's up with that?? It just tells me under the Plus tab that the software isn't loaded.. And this is with msn 2011. Can anyone help me here please??

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Originally posted by Alias
will my nickname ALIAS be carried over to the new forum?
if not why not? i have searched myh previous nickname on the members area on msgplus5.com an it only shows ICQ which i dont wanna use

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Cookie you must just love doing such big replies

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If I would split them up I would already have like 50000 posts

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then

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But they are indeed using it in the screenshots

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Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..

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It uses the old icons; guaranteed.

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Well, I'm confused. I guess I'll let this one slide. Hope a custom skin can fix the issue for Mr. Frackounet in the future if necessary!

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Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then

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But they are indeed using it in the screenshots

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Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..

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It uses the old icons; guaranteed.

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Well, I'm confused. I guess I'll let this one slide. Hope a custom skin can fix the issue for Mr. Frackounet in the future if necessary!

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Lol, i already did my own msg plus! live skin for msg plus! live 4.xx itself, because icons don't match with wlm 2009 but if it's a version 5 for wlm 2011, they should change those icons.

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lol'd there are already wlm 2011 skins xD http://www.msgplus5.com/Downloads/Skins



i was wondering why you actually put in the effort to reply to all those complains... it's useless anyway 'cause you're not reaching much with answering to those. but keep up the good work and hope plus 5 will be out soon

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Originally posted by tomtom95
lol'd there are already wlm 2011 skins xD http://www.msgplus5.com/Downloads/Skins



i was wondering why you actually put in the effort to reply to all those complains... it's useless anyway 'cause you're not reaching much with answering to those. but keep up the good work and hope plus 5 will be out soon

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Originally posted by tomtom95
lol'd there are already wlm 2011 skins xD http://www.msgplus5.com/Downloads/Skins



i was wondering why you actually put in the effort to reply to all those complains... it's useless anyway 'cause you're not reaching much with answering to those. but keep up the good work and hope plus 5 will be out soon

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I answer them cause I'm a smarty pants. Either way; those skins seem to be designed for Messenger Plus! v4.9 when used with Live Messenger 2011.

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hey i just want to ask about the time you will release the new version of messenger plus ??

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Originally posted by theboss
hey i just want to ask about the time you will release the new version of messenger plus ??

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Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.

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Originally posted by Nathalie
By days, I mean working days, so start counting on Monday

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Forecast of when will release?

waiting..

ZzzzZzzzzzzzZz

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Originally posted by DihBKT
Forecast of when will release?

waiting..

ZzzzZzzzzzzzZz

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thanx for the info ^^

It should be released in the next few days if all goes well as thats what they hope not promise. it'll be released when its released and not a day sooner.

Sooner rather than later.. Bring on MSN PLUS 5

It is Messenger Plus! or MSGPlus! not MSN Plus.

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It is Messenger Plus! or MSGPlus! not MSN Plus.

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I'm not phased as to what I called it.. All means the same thing.

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Originally posted by CheekyGirl
I'm not phased as to what I called it.. All means the same thing.

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Of course

zzzzzzzzzzz

why not they released the public beta and ready, when they have the final version is updated every simple

damn this waiting takes long

note to self: waitingtime = impatience


luckily I have games I can play to forget about time ^^

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Originally posted by DihBKT
Forecast of when will release?

waiting..

ZzzzZzzzzzzzZz

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if you had started paying atention to all that has been said here, i didn't have to tell you THAT THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANOTHER RELEASE TARGET DATE

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Originally posted by DihBKT
I have not talked to you face. My question was for the owners of the software "MSG PLUS" you jerk.

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Originally posted by Oxy

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Originally posted by DihBKT
I have not talked to you face. My question was for the owners of the software "MSG PLUS" you jerk.

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right. but 'the owners' (yuna) have already given out details. so it was suitable fortomtom to 'remind' you of what they said as the information was already present, you had just failed to read it.

there will be no more target dates set by Yuna. It'll be out within a couple of working days.

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Originally posted by Oxy

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Originally posted by DihBKT
I have not talked to you face. My question was for the owners of the software "MSG PLUS" you jerk.

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right. but 'the owners' (yuna) have already given out details. so it was suitable fortomtom to 'remind' you of what they said as the information was already present, you had just failed to read it.

there will be no more target dates set by Yuna. It'll be out within a couple of working days.

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Originally posted by Phillip
wen is msn plus 5 download?

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Originally posted by DihBKT
i to be continue waiting

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Originally posted by mynetx

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Originally posted by Phillip
wen is msn plus 5 download?

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This thread starts to get boring, and a bit annoying, to be honest. ¬¬

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<andrey> rofl that messenger plus! 5 info thread is like a never ending fountain of entertaining stupidity

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not released yet?

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Originally posted by tpiardi
not released yet?

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Maybe if the staff updates the Recent News section within the front page, people will stop asking. Until then, stop saying that people doesnt know how to read, when you are the ones that cant communicate properly!

Even if you update the Recent News, you already are a bunch of liars. You already skiped two release dates, and this last one without publishing it.

We want to read the news from the deveolpers in the news section... we dont want to read insults from all sort of beta testers who believe they own the forums. There is no reason to believe in beta testers when the developers stated in their communication channel that the next release will be available by the end of January. Now its to hard to believe in the developers too.

By now, Im already loosing interest in MSN Plus, WLM 2011 works great by itself... you just gave me enough time to realize that.

By now, Im already loosing interest in MSN Plus, WLM 2011 works great by itself... you just gave me enough time to realize that.

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Originally posted by nemo0
By now, Im already loosing interest in MSN Plus, WLM 2011 works great by itself... you just gave me enough time to realize that.

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MSN+ owners aren't on this forum.

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Originally posted by mudafkr
Even if you update the Recent News, you already are a bunch of liars. You already skiped two release dates, and this last one without publishing it.

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WOW there's alot of impatient people around. Have you people never heard the saying "Good Things Take Time" so in saying that this msn plus 5 or "Whatever" you lot call it must be a "Good Thing"..!!

As said countless times before, there never has been an official announcement of a release date. The first post in this thread clearly reads:

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The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

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Originally posted by Nathalie's reply to Messenger Plus! 5 information
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.

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1. Check the site and the forums.
   
2. Found an announcement about the release of Plus! 5?
   
   • Yes!
     
     1. Get all excited.
        
     2. Download and install new version.
        
     3. Be amazed.
        
     4. Exit flowchart.
   • No...
     
     1. Do something else, wait a day or two.
        
     2. Go back to 1.

I should totally copy-paste this and repost it every day.