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Messenger Plus! 5 information by Nathalie on 12-29-2010 at 03:00 PM


General release anticipated at the end of January, 2011


Messenger Plus! has released the private beta version of Plus! 5 to the testers, the fifth major version of the popular Messenger Plus! software.  The beta version of this software and new website is currently in the testing and translation process.  The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

In anticipation of the general release of Plus! 5, following are highlights of its new features and a sneak peek at the software and website interfaces:

Summary of the new and revised features of Plus! 5 include:

    Windows Live Messenger 2011 Support
    Preferences & Options
    MyPlus!
    Logs
    Website


Windows Live Messenger 2011 Support including skins, scripts & more

As previously announced, Plus! 5 provides full compatibility both with Windows Live Messenger (WLM) 2011 and WLM 2009.  Skins, scripts and other Plus! 5 features are now supported in WLM 2011.  A number of new skins have already been developed and are already available for WLM 2011 users.

Preferences & Options part of a whole new look & feel

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Messenger Plus! has a new look and feel with redesigned themes for all windows, including a key-word based search feature for preferences and options.

MyPlus! uniting the Messenger Plus! community

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One of the most significant new features of Plus! 5 is MyPlus!, a concept we envision to grow into a unique social network of the Messenger Plus! Community.  To begin with, users can open their own account through the Plus! 5 website or request registration through the software itself. 

Logs advanced online and local logging functions

Users can now view and search their logs locally or online on the MyPlus! server. Users can now access their logs from anywhere and at anytime, similar to the way they can access online email or other social media accounts.  Advanced log options are also available for local viewing. 

Website new version; new design

Messenger Plus! has recreated the Website from scratch with improved download interfaces for pages such as skins and scripts. Skin and script developers will also benefit from additional online documentation.  In addition to its online log feature, we integrated the forum with the MyPlus! account concept. 

HomePage (Beta) Preview


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Skin Page (Beta) Preview

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The above screenshots and features described are a preview and may be subject to change based on testing and development during the beta phase until the general release.

Messenger Plus! Live 4.9 and is still fully functional and can be downloaded at http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/

Yuna Software sends Messenger Plus! users best wishes for the holiday season and a happy New Year.


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Discrate on 12-29-2010 at 03:18 PM

Woo finally.


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by vaccination on 12-29-2010 at 03:25 PM

Try linking to the actual image's location rather than the flickr page it's embedded in.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5201/5303498728_74017284f9.jpg
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The preview button helps when making posts too.

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Website looks awful, btw.

An older colour scheme for those interested: http://msgplus.net/temp/homePlus5.jpg


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by effection on 12-29-2010 at 04:50 PM

the only thing nice about that website is the background. The current one is much better...


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by foaly on 12-29-2010 at 04:53 PM

Ehm, when we can not use the beta, is it really a release?
Or can we all become beta testers? :P


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by blessedguy on 12-29-2010 at 05:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by foaly
Ehm, when we can not use the beta, is it really a release?
quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
General release anticipated at the end of January, 2011
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The website looks ugly, can't Plus! stick to the old one? >< Also, :plus4: icon will be completely ditched? Also found the new preferences window actually harder and less intuitive than the current one, shouldn't the layout evolve instead of going back to the past? :(

Now, MyPlus! seems to be a good idea, but will logs continue to be encrypted even when stored online? And will our Forum accounts be "MyPlus Accounts" too or we'll have to start a new one?
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by rpsgc on 12-29-2010 at 05:25 PM

Closed beta?


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by robert_dll on 12-29-2010 at 05:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rpsgc
Closed beta?
Right.

We have only seen part of the new software, but I must say I thought Plus! 5 would have a better UI, it's not that bad though. Let's hope our opinion about it changes once the software gets released to the public.
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by nimicitor on 12-29-2010 at 06:11 PM

Those icons look like a horrible KDE rip off. Very amateur.


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by aflove65 on 12-29-2010 at 06:45 PM

It doesn't seem fair that only a few people get to try out the beta since we have been waiting months for an update. You could have at least sent out an updated version that worked with everything instead of sending out a version that only worked with part of the program and then do the whole overhaul. But hey we're only customers why should what we want matter :)


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Spunky on 12-29-2010 at 06:55 PM

Not to take away from the hard work, but the site looks crap =/

The only thing that looks good about the prefs is that we can search for options and might by the looks of it be able to sync our settings with the Plus! servers?




quote:
Originally posted by matty
The beta testers consist of 133 forum members

Still no room for me though :p
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by matty on 12-29-2010 at 06:56 PM

aflove65, hope you realize that there isn't just a "few" people "trying" it out. There is a lot of testers. The beta testers consist of 133 forum members. That doesn't include those who are not apart of this forum. We have been testing the program for years so why change a good thing? Plus! has only ever once had a public beta.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Jieff on 12-29-2010 at 07:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy

Now, MyPlus! seems to be a good idea, but will logs continue to be encrypted even when stored online? And will our Forum accounts be "MyPlus Accounts" too or we'll have to start a new one?

Actually the log transmission use SSL to protect the real time logging or manual transfer of the logs. The logs are not actually encrypted on the server, but the server itself is secure. This is an optional feature, you can still use the old local logging (that we also improved).

We might considering encrypting each log entry on the server, but this would mean we would have to disable some of the new online search feature.

We plan to migrate all accounts to the new site. What is important here is that the forum and the web site are now a single entity. The goal was to bring new online features to Plus!

We tried to keep the current web site and forum, but making it work together turn our to be a nightmare. We had to recreate everything from scratch.




RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by aflove65 on 12-29-2010 at 07:16 PM

kewl 133 of you get to try it while the rest of us have to wait another month to try it (if we are lucky). Not what I would call fair :P An open beta would mean more people trying it out and maybe finding more bugs that wouldn't be found. But I would have liked for them to at least have made 4.9 to be able to work with all of the features of the new msn instead of only working with part of it. Then they could have just rehauled it and not too many would have been upset.


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by MeEtc on 12-29-2010 at 07:30 PM

As of right now its just not feasable for the general public to have access. The new site is not completely ready and there is information there that even as testers we should not see. There is privacy and security that need to be fixed as well. As nice as it is to see a preview, the software simply isn't ready for an open beta.


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Hous3Fr3ak on 12-29-2010 at 08:45 PM

How I can Download the Beta?


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by robert_dll on 12-29-2010 at 08:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
How I can Download the Beta?
Through the download site once it gets released.
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Hous3Fr3ak on 12-29-2010 at 08:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll
quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
How I can Download the Beta?
Through the download site once it gets released.
End of January 2011?
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Chris4 on 12-29-2010 at 08:58 PM

The title is a bit misleading...


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by blessedguy on 12-29-2010 at 09:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
End of January 2011?
quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.

Again, the keyword is "targeted", so probably in the end of January 2011.

RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Gotomtom95 on 12-29-2010 at 09:32 PM

blurhg.... it was already hell for me to wait to december... now i have to wait another month?!?

i am really missing the function of saving chathistory


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by matty on 12-29-2010 at 09:38 PM

Use the Windows Live Messenger chat history until it is ready.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Gotomtom95 on 12-29-2010 at 09:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matty
Use the Windows Live Messenger chat history until it is ready.

nooooo thatone is lame, and is hasn't any passwordprotection
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Chrissy on 12-29-2010 at 09:52 PM

Err.. so there's no release? Ok..

quote:
Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta)

RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by blessedguy on 12-29-2010 at 09:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
Err.. so there's no release? Ok..
No public release, the title is indeed a bit misleading.

RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Chrissy on 12-29-2010 at 09:57 PM

So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..

All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.


For all those wanting to see Plus! 5 website, I found it here:
http://www.msgpluslive.net/new/5/coffeecuphtmleditorbin

EDIT: it's moved now:(

Why are they using CoffeeCup HTML Editor :|
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by blessedguy on 12-29-2010 at 10:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..

All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.
You were asking for a release date and feature list not much time ago, aren't you never satisfied? :chrongue:
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Chrissy on 12-29-2010 at 10:10 PM

Not exactly sure what I think if this release, but that's not a feature list for sure :P

I'm a bit worried about this Plus! Community. I have a bad feeling that it's gonna turn into a scheme to make extra cash..

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Will the Plus! Website (new) have an API were we can use the log ourselves?


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Discrate on 12-29-2010 at 10:31 PM

The new website design looks ABSOLUTELY terrible.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by nimicitor on 12-29-2010 at 10:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
The new website design looks ABSOLUTELY terrible.

I've seen burn victims more attractive!
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by xfagx on 12-29-2010 at 10:37 PM

Oh man... I cannot begin to explain how disappointed I am to hear that yet another month of waiting was added. :S


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by robert_dll on 12-29-2010 at 10:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
The new website design looks ABSOLUTELY terrible.
I agree the current one's design is better

quote:
Originally posted by xfagx
Oh man... I cannot begin to explain how disappointed I am to hear that yet another month of waiting was added. :S
Without a beta testing phase I (and sure many others) was expecting this.
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by YottabyteWizard on 12-30-2010 at 12:03 AM

I usually try to stay neutral, however the website is indeed FUgly.... looks like Alpha to me.... kinda 2000ish.


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Eddie on 12-30-2010 at 12:24 AM

Not to keen on the UI of the application itself but will leave that until I get a look however the website is definately second-rate, seems like a website that was made of a default php template from somewhere.


RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by CookieRevised on 12-30-2010 at 12:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
You could have at least sent out an updated version that worked with everything instead of sending out a version that only worked with part of the program and then do the whole overhaul. But hey we're only customers why should what we want matter :)
Errrr..... Making it completely compatible is exactly the whole point of this new version.
They can not "send an updated version that works with everything in the mean time" because that is exactly the whole point why Plus!5 is being created and what is currently being tested and why you need to wait a bit more :/

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
Also found the new preferences window actually harder and less intuitive than the current one, shouldn't the layout evolve instead of going back to the past? :(
Eventhough I shared the very same opinion at first, before actually using it, and complained about it too when we saw the first conceptual screenshots a while ago, I must say that after actually using it, I find it is more intuitive than before imho. Ok, it isn't that much eye candy and bling bling (afterall, it is a treeview). But eye candy is not everything either.

To compare it: When Plus!4 came with its new concept and the complete changed order of features and what not, I had a hard time to get used to the changed places of stuff and often had to skim thru panels to find what I needed. And it took a while before I knew where everything was without clicking on the wrong panel and getting lost sometimes. With this new treeview concept in Plus!5, I haven't had a single time that I had to search longer than 1 second to find a certain option again (and that even without using the new search feature). Thus in the very short time I have used it, I already am used to the new concept, thus way faster than with Plus!4.

It also provides for much easier expansion with more features than it was before (which already was messy and cramped in some places because of the used concept and the lack of space in the panels).

This also means that brand new features can be designed much quicker and updates can be made more frequently. In Plus!4 it would have meant also completely redesigning the preferences each time you wanted to add something more (with the downside that quite a lot probably needed to be retranslated too because available space for the existing stuff would have been decreased...wich was already problematic for certain languages as it was). Hence I suspect this is one of the reasons why new features were never really done during its lifetime; the cost in time simply to redesign and retranslate the panels each time would have been too big compared to the time to program the actual feature. This isn't (or shouldn't be) so anymore with Plus!5.

There are simply way to many options in Plus! to put everything under a few buttons. The name of the last category in the Plus!4 options is kind of proof of that imho; it's like "hmmm, we need to have some place to put these new options under, bleh, lets called it customize for the sake of it", while everything about Plus! is customization. The same for the many 'main' and 'general' sections in the preferences in Plus!4 and the sometimes overlapping categories of options and such.

Now you could make it into a huge list of big nice looking icons instead of a plain treeview, but that would again be counterproductive I think because then you would need to scroll quite a lot and you loose the overall big picture and relation of things.

But, I do think the plain treeview could use some small sized icons for each category though. It would make the plain list a bit less dull.

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As for the website. I'm not extremely excited about it either, but I have seen far worse. The biggest thorn in my eye is the massive (and frankly quite useless) header/banner with all its colors and background stuff on top of the site. Which I think is the main culprint of this 'default scheme' kind of look. Having a way smaller and more slick looking header might come a long way in defining 'the look and feeling'.

Also the fixed width is a concearn of mine (considering the forum is integrated in the same design - for the site itself it doesn't matter that much, but it does for the forum imho -).

But after using it for a while, you do get used to it somewhat. And I find its navigation and order of topics quite natural despite of things.

But I suppose that this is a big work in progress, bigger than Plus! itself actually. And it will continue to be a work in progress after the release, at least I hope so. Unless they pull of a miracle and make everything perfect for everyone in a month's time.


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quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..

All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.
Are you fu**ing joking me? Who was it that cried by high and low that the "stupids at Yuna" forgot about us and blahblah and demanded that they "must" release a list of features because every other software does it (ok, that last part wasn't said by you personally, but still, you were more than happy to jump on that very same bandwagon). And now that they post more info about it (bang on the timeframe they have said they would no less, omg11!!11!!), now you say they should kept it quite????? Come on...., flame, shout and have different opinions all you want, but at least be consistant and consequent about it instead of saying A when they say B and vice versa, seriously.
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by blessedguy on 12-30-2010 at 12:53 AM

@CookieRevised

Looking from that point, easier to add updates and easier organization, it is indeed better. But it still is uglier, and has too much information in a small space. Doing it with walls of icons wouldn't be good either. But even in treeview you can do something better:
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quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
TL;DR
It wasn't even 3000 words long, only 1042! :zippy:
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by CookieRevised on 12-30-2010 at 12:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
But even in treeview you can do something better:
yeah, agreed, that's is exactly what I meant with "small sized icons for each category" ;)
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Jieff on 12-30-2010 at 01:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised


But, I do think the plain treeview could use some small sized icons for each category though. It would make the plain list a bit less dull.

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As for the website. I'm not extremely excited about it either, but I have seen far worse. The biggest thorn in my eye is the massive (and frankly quite useless) header/banner on top of the site, and the fixed width (considering the forum is integrated in the same design - for the site itself it doesn't matter that much, but it does for the forum imho -).

After using it for a while, you do get used to it, and I find its navigation and order of things quite natural.

But I suppose, that this is a big work in progress, bigger than Plus! itself actually. And it will continue to be a work in progress after the release, at least I hope so. Unless they pull of a miracle and make everything perfect for everyone in a month's time.


The designer initially came up with icon in the tree list as you suggested. Unfortunately, recoding the tree list control to insert the icons did not make it in this version.

I share your views regarding the banner. I still think it is too big. We'll have to do something about that.

You can expect the web site to evolve continuously. The Plus! 5 release is just a milestone for the web team. They will continue to release at regular intervals.

I don't believe in miracles, but hey, we never know.

Abracadabra,

   
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by Chrono on 12-30-2010 at 01:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Eventhough I shared the very same opinion at first, before actually using it, and complained about it too when we saw the first conceptual screenshots a while ago, I must say that after actually using it, I find it is more intuitive than before imho. Ok, it isn't that much eye candy and bling bling (afterall, it is a treeview). But eye candy is not everything either.


i've tried it too and i dont like it, everything is a mess and it looks 8 years old :P And they will keep those giant buttons apparently... even though they are redundant :-\

They could try to make it more appealing to the eye. Messenger Plus! 3 had a sort of treeview too (not exactly but still) with the panels on the left and it looked way better than Plus! 2 (and 5 beta)... i dunno, im not satisfied at all like many other testers pointed it out in the original thread :p.

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
But, I do think the plain treeview could use some small sized icons for each category though. It would make the plain list a bit less dull.
Good suggestion, you should post it if you havent :p

The website's a whole different story. i havent been able to use it that much, so i cant give a honest opinion. The forums lacked many of the features that we have here, which sucks.
RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by blessedguy on 12-30-2010 at 01:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
yeah, agreed, that's is exactly what I meant with "small sized icons for each category"
Not only the icons, removing the dotted lines, for example, and getting rid of that background already makes things slightly better.
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RE: Messenger Plus! Releases Plus! 5 (beta) by andrey on 12-30-2010 at 01:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
I don't believe in miracles, but hey, we never know.

Seriously, tell your people to invest into a proper design team or to ditch your current one.

Enough people have already stated their opinion on the website so I won't repeat that..

But: rebranding with a different and in my opinion WAY more unprofessional logo than Plus! currently has should be a huge NO or at least shouldn't be taken lightly. (3D-ish exclamation marks in that style were popular maybe 5 years ago, and did you consider all the brand recognition Plus! and its current logo gained over the last years? The new exclamation mark by itself has ZERO recall value, unless you always include "Plus" or "Messenger Plus", which then would look even more similar to this: http://i.imgur.com/zYJ9S.jpg)
How about cleaning up/evolving the current logo a bit instead?

(Or how about employing a certain design team which already has extensive experience with the Messenger Plus! brand and a good track record? [Image: whistle.gif])
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrono on 12-30-2010 at 01:47 AM

hey nathalie, i edited the subject of the thread as i found it VERY misleading (made you think that a (public) beta was being released right now :P).

Feel free to change it to something better if you want :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by toddy on 12-30-2010 at 02:33 AM

how long until you have to pay for the online stuff?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by surfichris on 12-30-2010 at 08:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by andrey
Seriously, tell your people to invest into a proper design team or to ditch your current one.

+1 :)

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
We plan to migrate all accounts to the new site. What is important here is that the forum and the web site are now a single entity. The goal was to bring new online features to Plus!

We tried to keep the current web site and forum, but making it work together turn our to be a nightmare. We had to recreate everything from scratch.
I don't remember being asked about how difficult the forum would be to integrate, and I'm guessing WDZ probably wasn't either. We're the ones who know the software, and know it probably wouldn't have been more than a day or two worth of work.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Spunky on 12-30-2010 at 10:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Unfortunately, recoding the tree list control to insert the icons did not make it in this version.

Then why release it? Wait until stuff is complete instead off releasing half-assed stuff.

All that Patchou stood for seems to mean nothing. Oh, and without the logo, MP!L is just another program to people. No recognition, no users.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Willz on 12-30-2010 at 12:13 PM

Yep, still don't like the direction that Plus! is taking with regards to graphic design. The inconsistency between the website and program UI is just too obvious (one being minimal and washed out and the other being over the top busy with unnecessary shadows, bevels and super bright colours).

Either way I'm sure the feature set will be solid and the functionality as well. But the visuals for me are a step in the wrong direction.

If it's easy to skin Plus! 5 I may just do so, otherwise i'll just stick to making Messenger look better :P


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 12-30-2010 at 02:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Spunky
quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Unfortunately, recoding the tree list control to insert the icons did not make it in this version.

Then why release it? Wait until stuff is complete instead off releasing half-assed stuff.


Well, it is not released yet. But I don't think it is a major functional asset anyway. If it does not make it on this cut, it will make it for the next one.

quote:
Originally posted by Spunky

All that Patchou stood for seems to mean nothing. Oh, and without the logo, MP!L is just another program to people. No recognition, no users.

Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou). So don't worry, Patchou's values are very present (if it was not the case, trust me, he would tell me since we work together).

I agree about the MP!L logo, but changing it was a legal requirement.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chris4 on 12-30-2010 at 02:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
I agree about the MP!L logo, but changing it was a legal requirement.
Why? Too similar to the MSN logo? Could the colours/shape have not been changed slightly to keep the same recognition with users, rather than changing it to a completely different (and worse) logo?

Why have the GFDD design team been ditched? The website, logo and software UI would have been 10x better if they had continued designing it.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-30-2010 at 03:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
I agree about the MP!L logo, but changing it was a legal requirement.
Major bummer....

Is that the same reason why the "Live" tag has been removed too?

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by robert_dll on 12-30-2010 at 04:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Willz
The inconsistency between the website and program UI is just too obvious
This. With the current design you can rapidly relate the website with the software.

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).
It is normal to see this kind of complaints and the feeling that Patchou isn't in charge anymore because of many drastic changes, but I'm sure that listening to us (ths users) there will be a win for both sides.

RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 12-30-2010 at 04:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
I agree about the MP!L logo, but changing it was a legal requirement.
Major bummer....

Is that the same reason why the "Live" tag has been removed too?


Actually no, this is not the reason why you don't see the Live tag. We wanted to make the product more generic. We would like to bring the Plus! concept to other platforms. The Live tag is closely associated with WLM.





quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll

It is normal to see this kind of complaints and the feeling that Patchou isn't in charge anymore because of many drastic changes, but I'm sure that listening to us (ths users) there will be a win for both sides.


I hear you :D
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by MeEtc on 12-30-2010 at 05:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Actually no, this is not the reason why you don't see the Live tag. We wanted to make the product more generic. We would like to bring the Plus! concept to other platforms.
AKA ad-filled games and sports websites that just have content licensed from other sites.
quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).
Just because you work for someone, doesn't mean they tell you what to do:
quote:
Originally posted by Patchou
those decisions aren't mine anymore.

I understand what you're saying and I suggest you (and anybody else feeling the same way) to email Yuna Software about it. They need user feedback to guide their decisions properly.

RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-30-2010 at 05:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MeEtc
quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).
Just because you work for someone, doesn't mean they tell you what to do:
quote:
Originally posted by Patchou
those decisions aren't mine anymore.

I understand what you're saying and I suggest you (and anybody else feeling the same way) to email Yuna Software about it. They need user feedback to guide their decisions properly.

Those are completely two different hings...

Patchou replied with that more in the context of decisions like that 'Plus! concept' (aka Plus!Games etc) and toolbars and stuff related to the community (like the liaison). Aka the name of Plus! and the bigger picture. Patchou does not have all the influence on that anymore. This is what Yuna Software stands for.

What Jieff replied to was in the context of Messenger Plus!, the software itself, which Patchou does have a big influence on. It was a reply to Spunky on why the treelist looks the way it looks at the moment and why the treelist was chosen in the first place. This is what Kimahri Software stands for.

As a more understandable analogy: the lead programmers and program managers of Messenger have a massive influence into what Messenger will be like, feature-wise, look, etc. But they have little to no end-decisions into what the Windows Live concept should bring.

What people forget is that Plus! isn't just the software anymore and stuff is 'split' out into different departments.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Jieff....
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by coolzee on 12-30-2010 at 06:57 PM

New Logo? :(
New Website Design :(

End of Jan. :)
New Plus! Settings Design :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by stuartbennett on 12-30-2010 at 07:13 PM

to be fair i am visually impaired so i can't really judge by the provided screenshots. i will give my honest opinion once the site and the software are finally released. however all i will say regarding the look of new plus is this... skinning weilds the power to skin plus too, if you don't like the design reskin it there are plenty of skinners out there if they too don't like the look of plus then i am sure they will put in that extra effort to reskin plus in there creations in order to attract more users to download there skins.

simples.


RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 12-30-2010 at 08:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:
Originally posted by MeEtc
quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Funny... and who do you think I work for? (Just a hint .... Patchou).
Just because you work for someone, doesn't mean they tell you what to do:
quote:
Originally posted by Patchou
those decisions aren't mine anymore.

I understand what you're saying and I suggest you (and anybody else feeling the same way) to email Yuna Software about it. They need user feedback to guide their decisions properly.

Those are completely two different hings...

Patchou replied with that more in the context of decisions like that 'Plus! concept' (aka Plus!Games etc) and toolbars and stuff related to the community (like the liaison). Aka the name of Plus! and the bigger picture. Patchou does not have all the influence on that anymore. This is what Yuna Software stands for.

What Jieff replied to was in the context of Messenger Plus!, the software itself, which Patchou does have a big influence on. It was a reply to Spunky on why the treelist looks the way it looks at the moment and why the treelist was chosen in the first place. This is what Kimahri Software stands for.

As a more understandable analogy: the lead programmers and program managers of Messenger have a massive influence into what Messenger will be like, feature-wise, look, etc. But they have little to no end-decisions into what the Windows Live concept should bring.

What people forget is that Plus! isn't just the software anymore and stuff is 'split' out into different departments.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Jieff....

Yep, that sounds about right. :)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Islander on 12-30-2010 at 09:22 PM

Well, most of the stuff has been already said, but I'd like to add that I agree with most of the negative stuff that has been said. Terrible new webpage design and colors, and the direction the software is taking... online account for what? Did I read that right, you want us to store our chat logs online? Yeah, sure! ^o)

Oh, and the newstitle is terribly misleading... hello?

Come on, we know you can do better! Well, you better do, otherwise I know many, many people who will soon or late stop using that software... me being one of them... :(


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by x4x on 12-30-2010 at 10:15 PM

Where can I download the beta version ???


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by foaly on 12-30-2010 at 10:23 PM

If Yuna's vision is so focussed on the community, maybe it would have been a good idea to let the community vote on the website design...
Or even more drastic let the community design it, I think a lot of users could have done better (me not being one of them...)
The community really doesn't seem to like the new site...


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Tochjo on 12-30-2010 at 10:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by x4x
Where can I download the beta version ???
You cannot download the beta version. Only beta testers can.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 12-30-2010 at 10:24 PM

@Cookie
I only wanted a feature list, I didn't beg for releases..

Plus, releasing a thread claiming MP5 is released when it's out to like 50 testers isn't a 'release' at all. But I guess 'all other software will do that too'.

You obviously know better than me/us, so please gtf and stop patronising me or anyone else (Discrate) :(

And yes, I'm waiting on my neg rep..


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-30-2010 at 11:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Islander
online account for what? Did I read that right, you want us to store our chat logs online? Yeah, sure! ^o)
You read it a bit wrong I think. Online chat logging is only a possebility, which was request years ago by quite a lot of people, including a lot of people on these forums if I may add. You are of course not forced to use it; local logging would still be there.

But the MyPlus! account is way more than that. It also will be your forum account (the one you are now registered under). It will also give you access to your created scripts, skins and other content you might have created so that you don't need to bother the database admin anymore and so that you can update, change and add stuff yourself instantly.







quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
@Cookie
I only wanted a feature list, I didn't beg for releases..
Which is what I replied on. Only a few days ago you whined that they didn't yet posted more info about Plus!. Now that they did, you say they should have kept it quite?:
quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
So why tell the pubic? Just keep it quite..
All they need to say is a closed beta is out, and the main on will be January.
Also: read the post again, that is exactly what they said (with a bit more words).


quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
Plus, releasing a thread claiming MP5 is released when it's out to like 50 testers isn't a 'release' at all. But I guess 'all other software will do that too'.
I dunno what that quote from "other software" is doing here, but they DID NOT say it was publically released.

But in fact, yes it was released... privately, just like the first sentence in that post said. And it will be released publically too, just not now. Nowhere was it stated that it would be released now.
It was your own assumption that it meant it was publically released!

Either way, in real life, news like that is often released with short titles like that. And no, this isn't real life, but give them a break ffs. They are (clearly) not (yet) used to communicating with an online community where people sometimes assume too much, twist words around and read the wrong things between the lines. But give them a bit of slack will you?

But yes, it might have been 'misleading', but it was just a thread title... seriously... get over it...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 12-30-2010 at 11:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised

But yes, it might have been 'misleading', but it was just a thread title... seriously... get over it...
If I did it you'd be the first to complain..
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-30-2010 at 11:19 PM

I would complain when you get over it???? Makes no sense at all...


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by toddy on 12-30-2010 at 11:30 PM

chrissy "Makes no sense at all" !!!!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 12-30-2010 at 11:42 PM

I mean, If I made a Misleading title, you WOULD complain about it.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-30-2010 at 11:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
I mean, If I made a Misleading title, you WOULD complain about it.
You indeed did before (just like so many other people), but I never ever complained about it, and I never will.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrono on 12-31-2010 at 12:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by foaly
If Yuna's vision is so focussed on the community, maybe it would have been a good idea to let the community vote on the website design...
if yuna is so focused on the community they should've contacted surfichris (oh surprise, developer of mybboard) so he could help out with the integration of the website and these forums. The forums on the new website lack most of the features that makes this board so cool :P i doubt they can make it nearly as good, specially considering they're using a generic CMS :p

i thought they at least tried to integrate mybb with the website, but for what surfichris said 2 pages back, apparently they did not.

Yuna, you're still in time to fix it and integrate them. You just dont understand how usefull many of the features are, both for users and mods/admins. I doubt you can emulate something as good as mybb considering it's taken years to make it THIS good. Trust me, i've seen these forums (and mybb in general) evolve for the past 8 years.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 12-31-2010 at 12:18 AM

So were can I say the new forums on the new website? Is it BETA testers only?


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Guido on 12-31-2010 at 12:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris4
Why have the GFDD design team been ditched? The website, logo and software UI would have been 10x better if they had continued designing it.
Heh :) Thanks!

I wanted to congratulate the Yuna team on the hard work, I know how complex these kind of projects are, but also wanted to clarify exactly that -- that we at GFDD Group (or rather Marketica, the new brand for our design department) didn't make any of this. We worked on the GUI design and Website design and development for Messenger Plus 2, 3, 3.5, 4 and 4.5 between 2002 and 2009.

From what I'm aware, the reason for the policy change when Yuna came along was that they preferred to keep the design team in-house.

Regardless, happy new year everyone and hope to see you again soon!
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Discrate on 12-31-2010 at 12:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
quote:
Originally posted by foaly
If Yuna's vision is so focussed on the community, maybe it would have been a good idea to let the community vote on the website design...
if yuna is so focused on the community they should've contacted surfichris (oh surprise, developer of mybboard) so he could help out with the integration of the website and these forums. The forums on the new website lack most of the features that makes this board so cool :P i doubt they can make it nearly as good, specially considering they're using a generic CMS :p

i thought they at least tried to integrate mybb with the website, but for what surfichris said 2 pages back, apparently they did not.

Yuna, you're still in time to fix it and integrate them. You just dont understand how usefull many of the features are, both for users and mods/admins. I doubt you can emulate something as good as mybb considering it's taken years to make it THIS good. Trust me, i've seen these forums (and mybb in general) evolve for the past 8 years.

Can only the beta testers see the new forum?

Yuna for some weird reason wants to create their own forum, most likely so they can own it (WDZ owns this one) and now they are making excuses "oh it's too hard to integrate website and this forum"

By getting rid of this forum, you will destroy the community. Seems YUNA has been getting good at this lately.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by surfichris on 12-31-2010 at 12:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
i thought they at least tried to integrate mybb with the website, but for what surfichris said 2 pages back, apparently they did not.

I could entirely be wrong on that - all I can say is that I was never approached with any questions and I doubt WDZ was either. :)

quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
Can only the beta testers see the new forum?

Yes, as it's part of the new integrated website.

quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
Yuna for some weird reason wants to create their own forum, most likely so they can own it (WDZ owns this one)
I wouldn't say there's a particular owner here, but if you were then ultimately it belongs to Messenger Plus!, which belongs to Yuna.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 12-31-2010 at 12:57 AM

So who's gonna leak version 5 this year?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 12-31-2010 at 01:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
So who's gonna leak version 5 this year?
nobody, that's a point of a select beta team, isn't it?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 12-31-2010 at 01:02 AM

Someone is bound too.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-31-2010 at 01:02 AM

Discrate,

- Show me where they made that 'excuse', Discrate. If you can't then don't put words in their mouth.
If you're refering to what Jeiff said that they tried to merge the existing forum and site together and found it to be a nightmare, I don't see that as an 'excuse'. If anything, I see that as an effort to accomodate to what you and others are requesting at this moment. And I also believe that it is not just a day or two of work to make it so, like surfichris claims.
Even WDZ himself once said that it would be easier to start from scratch than to trying to improve on the forums because of all the mods. Again, it is not just putting the two together as in put the forum into a frame in the main site. The whole point of the merging is that everything will work together, especially the forum account, script/skin/sounds databases, etc...

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to be part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 12-31-2010 at 01:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
- Show me where they made that 'excuse', Discrate. If you can't then su.

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....
But why do all that when you can just leave the forum and change the interface on that?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrono on 12-31-2010 at 01:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Guido
quote:
Originally posted by Chris4
Why have the GFDD design team been ditched? The website, logo and software UI would have been 10x better if they had continued designing it.
Heh :) Thanks!

I wanted to congratulate the Yuna team on the hard work, I know how complex these kind of projects are, but also wanted to clarify exactly that -- that we at GFDD Group (or rather Marketica, the new brand for our design department) didn't make any of this. We worked on the GUI design and Website design and development for Messenger Plus 2, 3, 3.5, 4 and 4.5 between 2002 and 2009.

From what I'm aware, the reason for the policy change when Yuna came along was that they preferred to keep the design team in-house.

Regardless, happy new year everyone and hope to see you again soon!
hey guido, nice to know from you! Im glad your business has done so well, congrats on that one, i remember when it was just you at the beginning, making crazy concepts for the logo (i still have some of them in my computer lol) :).

Have a happy new year :D

Edit:
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only the interface will change.

it's not just a chaange of interface, it's a change of software, aka less features and such :P. Just wanted to make that clear.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-31-2010 at 01:06 AM

Chrissy,

A lot needs to be done and re-programmed for integrating the forums (incl. the others with diff. languages), the scripting and skinning database, etc. It is not just a matter of 'making a new skin' for this forum and be done with it.

And "making the interface" is exactly what they are doing now, and what they continue to do after the release, because it will very obviously not be finished by then.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Guido on 12-31-2010 at 01:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Discrate,

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to be part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....
Hi Cookie! I think he was referring to getting rid of "this" forum, not as in these messages, but as in this customized version of MyBB with its emoticons, tools, shoutbox, reputation, etc.

I don't particularly like how this was dealt with, especially considering how many years of their lives people like Surfichris and WDZ (in consensus with the community*) put into getting these forums the way we see them today and how much money Yuna will have to put into getting it to this same point from scratch.

* I still remember all the huge threads from a few years ago about forum improvements like the reputation feature and the elite member badge... :cry:

Read more: Messenger Plus! Community Forums story

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
hey guido, nice to know from you! Im glad your business has done so well, congrats on that one, i remember when it was just you at the beginning, making crazy concepts for the logo (i still have some of them in my computer lol) .
Hey! Thanks, those are days I'll never forget!
PS: Remember the competition between the gfdrin and the chrongue? :gfdrin: :chrongue:
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-31-2010 at 01:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only the interface will change.
it's not just a chaange of interface, it's a change of software, aka less features and such :P. Just wanted to make that clear.
Ok, but isn't that exactly what "the interface" is???

And about those still missing features: hence why it is being beta tested and hence why it is a work in progress, even after the public release....

Though it indeed sucks that many things/features need to be done all over again and re-added. Things which took years to develop into what it currently is and which we take for granted on this 'old' forum. But that does not mean they wont be added again. It only means it would take some time.


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@Guido:

If so, that would make much sense.
(although after seeing stuff from him and others in the shoutbox, I somehow doubt that, although I'm sure he would deny that)

Either way, let it be so, then it means Discrate meant that the 'interface' would be the cause of the community dying. And in that case, I still stand by my opinion that I don't see how an interface would be able to kill a community. I mean, it is not the interface that holds this community together I think, it's the people on/in it, at least it should be.

-------

@SurfiChris, WDZ, Guido:

Yeah, it's a great pitty (and wrong in some way) that they didn't ask you. But as far as I know they never said they didn't wanted that you worked with them either. And tbh, have either one of you contacted them before with propositions to work together? If so, then I stand by everything you said. But if not, don't you think you're being a bit unfair too?....

Actually, and I do hope I'm wrong with this, from what I've read from the shoutbox and forum, after Patchou said there were plans for a new forum structure and integrating of the forum in the main site, WDZ quickly said he didn't wanted to work for them, so...*

Of course, this was all back when there was no community liaison yet and communication between them and the community was non-existant. But lately that has changed for the better (though it is still not yet what it should be) and it will continue to improve in the futur. But apparently some people don't see the improvements and keep on clinging to that 'Yuna=Devil'-thing in every way they can (even by spreading stupid assumptions and whatnot) if you know what I mean...

I mean, it must come from both sides, no?


* EDIT: Although apparently he also said he wanted to help (note: isn't that 'working for them' then? ^o)). But still, how would they have know about that if he only said that in the shoutbox/forum way before Yuna knew about the forum, let alone knew about WDZ?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Nagamasa on 12-31-2010 at 02:09 AM

@Chrissy:

If it's the same team as MP!L 4, then why would those same testers leak for MP!5 but not for MP!L 4?


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Discrate on 12-31-2010 at 03:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Discrate,

- Show me where they made that 'excuse', Discrate. If you can't then don't put words in their mouth.
If you're refering to what Jeiff said that they tried to merge the existing forum and site together and found it to be a nightmare, I don't see that as an 'excuse'. If anything, I see that as an effort to accomodate to what you and others are requesting at this moment. And I also believe that it is not just a day or two of work to make it so, like surfichris claims.
Even WDZ himself once said that it would be easier to start from scratch than to trying to improve on the forums because of all the mods. Again, it is not just putting the two together as in put the forum into a frame in the main site. The whole point of the merging is that everything will work together, especially the forum account, script/skin/sounds databases, etc...

- They are not going/planning to get rid of this forum! It has been said and explained billions of times before to you and others that this forum is going to be integrated into the main website. That's not "getting rid of". All the posts will be there, all the users. Only the interface will change. And I don't see how an interface change is going to "destroy a community".... But if you don't want to be part of that, fine, then by all means please leave....

Ditching this forum for a new crappy forum that doesn't have the features of this forum and doesn't have the quality of this forum will ruin the community.

Also no point arguing that cookie because it's true. Your YUNA fanboyism doesn't fool anyone, hell i barely read half ur post because it's just full of "YOUR WRONG, YOUR WRONG" lol.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-31-2010 at 03:33 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
Your YUNA fanboyism doesn't fool anyone
Sure. A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.  But hey I'm not surprised at all since you don't bother to read, let alone try to understand, anyways. You're so blinded by your own hatred and opinions that you aren't even able to see it when people say something negative about Yuna without using one-liners like "they're money whores".
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Discrate on 12-31-2010 at 03:56 AM

A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by toddy on 12-31-2010 at 05:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
And tbh, have either one of you contacted them before with propositions to work together? If so, then I stand by everything you said. But if not, don't you think you're being a bit unfair too?....
so its the job of a volunteer to be the grown up and contact the new owners?

like most people in the world would do, they've rightly taken bat n ball home after the new guys have given the impression of 'sod you, we don't need you'
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by foaly on 12-31-2010 at 05:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.
Say what you will, at least Cookie is trying to see it from yuna's perspective.
And you have to admire his perseverance, it doesn't seem to matter how stupid peoples responses are, he keeps taking the time to reply.
All the blind yuna bashing is getting kinda old... You haven't even seen the new forums. People hate change, this is yuna's first mayor mp!l release let's give them the benefit of the doubt until the actual release... It mightn't be as worse as you make it out to be...
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Discrate on 12-31-2010 at 05:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by foaly
quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.
Say what you will, at least Cookie is trying to see it from yuna's perspective.
And you have to admire his perseverance, it doesn't seem to matter how stupid peoples responses are, he keeps taking the time to reply.
All the blind yuna bashing is getting kinda old... You haven't even seen the new forums. People hate change, this is yuna's first mayor mp!l release let's give them the benefit of the doubt until the actual release... It mightn't be as worse as you make it out to be...

I simply cannot say something is good if it is not. I am not like cookie where i put loads of spin on things to pretend and to make it seem like something is great.

No matter what criticisms people have, he always responds with crap like "You are wrong" He is clearly biased and wouldn't be surprised if they have hired cookie.

"I don't like the design" = "NO YOUR WRONG, THE DESIGN IS GOOD, YOUR WRONG, THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, IT'S GOOD"

Go read every single bit of criticism, cookie responds with a rebuttal claiming it's wrong. No matter what is said, it's labeled as wrong and not right.

I don't even bother reading cookies posts any longer because it's a load of shit. He still responds to me though because he can't help it (Has some sort of mental problem and a god complex at the very least)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by foaly on 12-31-2010 at 05:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
quote:
Originally posted by foaly
quote:
Originally posted by Discrate
A nice typical response I'd expected from you. Shows how much you understand from it.
Say what you will, at least Cookie is trying to see it from yuna's perspective.
And you have to admire his perseverance, it doesn't seem to matter how stupid peoples responses are, he keeps taking the time to reply.
All the blind yuna bashing is getting kinda old... You haven't even seen the new forums. People hate change, this is yuna's first mayor mp!l release let's give them the benefit of the doubt until the actual release... It mightn't be as worse as you make it out to be...

I simply cannot say something is good if it is not. I am not like cookie where i put loads of spin on things to pretend and to make it seem like something is great.

No matter what criticisms people have, he always responds with crap like "You are wrong" He is clearly biased and wouldn't be surprised if they have hired cookie.

"I don't like the design" = "NO YOUR WRONG, THE DESIGN IS GOOD, YOUR WRONG, THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, IT'S GOOD"

Go read every single bit of criticism, cookie responds with a rebuttal claiming it's wrong. No matter what is said, it's labeled as wrong and not right.

I don't even bother reading cookies posts any longer because it's a load of shit. He still responds to me though because he can't help it (Has some sort of mental problem and a god complex at the very least)
You're right I suppose it wouldn't have been better if He responded to the site criticism like this: I agree, but it navigates kinda ok after a while, but I hope they will improve the design... or in Cookies words:
quote:
As for the website. I'm not extremely excited about it either, but I have seen far worse. The biggest thorn in my eye is the massive (and frankly quite useless) header/banner with all its colors and background stuff on top of the site. Which I think is the main culprint of this 'default scheme' kind of look. Having a way smaller and more slick looking header might come a long way in defining 'the look and feeling'. Also the fixed width is a concearn of mine (considering the forum is integrated in the same design -for the site itself it doesn't matter that much, but it does for the forum imho -). But after using it for a while, you do get used to it somewhat. And I find its navigation and order of topics quite natural despite of things. But I suppose that this is a big work in progress, bigger than Plus! itself actually. And it will continue to be a work in progress after the release, at least I hope so. Unless they pull of a miracle and make everything perfect for everyone in a month's time.

Don't flame the guy when you don't read what He says...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Nagamasa on 12-31-2010 at 05:57 AM

Discrate, no matter how bad you think it is, it is actually usable nonetheless.

Yes, Testers are working on reporting problems and providing suggestions, but in the end, it will take some time to get it to perfection.

Mindless bashing (especially when you havent seen it) doesn't help much either.

I like the goals that they are trying to reach, but I think the graphic designers just need to rethink.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by ahmetgns on 12-31-2010 at 09:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Is that the same reason why the "Live" tag has been removed too?

Actually no, this is not the reason why you don't see the Live tag. We wanted to make the product more generic. We would like to bring the Plus! concept to other platforms. The Live tag is closely associated with WLM.
This is what I guessed when I see the new program folder such that there are WLM-Skins and WLM-Scripts folders under Messenger Plus! program folder and the new registry subkey Windows Live Messenger under Messenger Plus! key. But when I checked the first page of setup window it still says "Messenger Plus! Live is the most versatile add-on available for Windows Live Messenger."
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-31-2010 at 10:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ahmetgns
But when I checked the first page of setup window it still says "Messenger Plus! Live is the most versatile add-on available for Windows Live Messenger."
Indeed... The complete setup still contains the 'Live' tags... It was already been reported as a bug before...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by a2h on 12-31-2010 at 10:43 AM

I've registered just to post this.

I find the new website design to be extremely amateurish.

As Messenger Plus moved from being something developed by one person, to something under a company, I am surprised to see the website that came into existence under that one person be potentially torn of its beauty and replaced with something that looks like what an amateur would be making.

Under a company, I would expect more resources to be available to be able to be devoted to things, and while I appreciate the addition of features, I find it extremely strange that steps have been taken to actually reduce the visual appeal of the Plus product and website, which must have involved time and effort.

I'm not falling under the "if it's not broken, why fix it" banner entirely.

While if I had to choose between the old site and the new site, I would immediately go for the old (which has aged amazingly well). But if resources absolutely have to have been devoted to a visual overhaul, I find it absolutely horrible that something this low of a quality could have come into existence. Once again, this amateurish creation is under the banner of a company, not an individual.

I'm going to just end this post with an example, from a product that has also moved from an individual effort to a company effort. It also happens to have a large userbase of younger people. Guess whether this logo ended up going final?

[Image: GM8_cl_Text960.png]


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-31-2010 at 10:53 AM

[off topic]

But isn't that smiley in that logo copyrighted?
Hence maybe why they changed it to:
[Image: attachment.php?pid=1005369]
which is not bad tbh....

[/off topic]


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by a2h on 12-31-2010 at 11:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
[off topic]

But isn't that smiley in that logo copyrighted?
Hence maybe why they changed it to:
[Image: attachment.php?pid=1005369]
which is not bad tbh....

[/off topic]

Nope. Have a read of the comments here: http://glog.yoyogames.com/?p=622
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 12-31-2010 at 11:23 AM

[off topic]

Ah I see, that yellow smiley was the old new logo....
and that green pacman is the new new logo....

Either way, at least that old new logo was a contribution from the community itself apparently, which in turn didn't liked it... which is kind of strange if you think about it :p.... Hence it might be interesting to see the old old logo and the other entries for the old new design. You can't blame the company to use the best out of community created designs (unless there were better designs). Also, a month later they changed it into the new new logo; so, they listened to the community.

[/off topic]


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Phillip on 12-31-2010 at 11:32 AM

Liked the old interface better, just looks like they took a step back and simplified it because they couldn't come up with anything decent themselves.

New website looks horrible, I think it gave me cancer =\


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by stuartbennett on 12-31-2010 at 06:19 PM

i can't say or do anything that will change anyones minds. at the end of the day you are all individuals and have strong beliefs one way or the other and nothing anyone says or does will change how you see things.

I personally am visually impaired and due to the small size of the preview images i can't tell how it looks so its hard for me to really give an opinion, but despite that no i don't like the visual design of the new plus or the new site.

However going back to what someone said about massively long posts requesting large lists of improvements that i think is what will need to happen again. Yuna don't know us like patchou does they need to learn what we like and don't like just like patchou had to.

At the end of the day like any company they exist to make money, they can only make money if they give their users what the users want, it might take them some time to catch up and give us what we want but they will get there eventually, the best thing we can do is continuously submit those long list of desired improvements to the forum just like last time so as to let them know what we want, after all if we sit here in silence and say nothing they will not know that anything is wrong.

i like the idea of integrating the site and forum together, i have seen such projects done before in the superdudes.net gaming community or on a superdudes fan site called challengefinder.net, it can give us some really cool features in the end but you do need the relevant experts working on it to make it happen, if yuna want to know the names of people who have worked on such projects before i can certainly point them in the right direction.

until the new site and software is released and i can give them my honest opinion on it then i shall just sit on the fence and try to remain objective.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrono on 12-31-2010 at 09:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by toddy
so its the job of a volunteer to be the grown up and contact the new owners?

like most people in the world would do, they've rightly taken bat n ball home after the new guys have given the impression of 'sod you, we don't need you'
im impressed, a smart reply by toddy :refuck:

<3
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Sojeong Yoon on 01-02-2011 at 02:46 PM

As you know, a feature of set nickname is disabled in WLM2011.
Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 01-02-2011 at 03:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Sojeong Yoon
Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?
The short answer is: Technically Plus! might be able to let you set your nickname like in the old Messenger versions, but it wouldn't really matter. None of your contacts who use Messenger 2011 will see your nickname, they will still see your full name as you have is set on http://profile.live.com/details/edit/name.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chris4 on 01-03-2011 at 10:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:
Originally posted by Sojeong Yoon
Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?
The short answer is: Technically Plus! might be able to let you set your nickname like in the old Messenger versions, but it wouldn't really matter. None of your contacts who use Messenger 2011 will see your nickname, they will still see your full name as you have is set on http://profile.live.com/details/edit/name.
Yuna could integrate a "Plus! nickname" feature (which only Plus! users would see) but that has its obvious downsides.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 01-03-2011 at 10:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris4
Yuna could integrate a "Plus! nickname" feature
Then you'll have 3 different nicks. defeats the purpose why people are requesting old nicks back.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrono on 01-03-2011 at 11:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris4
quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:
Originally posted by Sojeong Yoon
Can be make to set the "Nickname" in new version of Messenger Plus! Live?
The short answer is: Technically Plus! might be able to let you set your nickname like in the old Messenger versions, but it wouldn't really matter. None of your contacts who use Messenger 2011 will see your nickname, they will still see your full name as you have is set on http://profile.live.com/details/edit/name.
Yuna could integrate a "Plus! nickname" feature (which only Plus! users would see) but that has its obvious downsides.

it still doesn't 'fix' the fact that your real name is being displayed. it's not the real solution to this 'problem', it'd simply cover it up :p

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by robert_dll on 01-04-2011 at 01:22 AM

I would like to see a "Plus! nickname" feature just because of the formatting stuff and so... :P I don't have any problem with showing my real name, I could change it in my Live Profile anyway :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by dbgarza on 01-04-2011 at 02:24 AM

And Microsoft already started to set Windows Live Essentials 2011 as an important update, I have windows 7 and the Windows Updated downloaded the essentials 2011 updated and notified me but I hid it.

I still can sign in on Windows Live Messenger 2009 but I'm sure that soon we gonna get forced to use the new version as they always do each time they release a new msn. :s

Good thing Messenger Plus Live 5 is literally around the corner ^^


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by thevampire2604 on 01-04-2011 at 04:57 PM

So what are you waiting for? Why dont you release a public beta? I'll explode if it's no released by next month!! I wanna mess around with a MSN buddy... (6)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-04-2011 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dbgarza
And Microsoft already started to set Windows Live Essentials 2011 as an important update, I have windows 7 and the Windows Updated downloaded the essentials 2011 updated and notified me but I hid it.
Yep, since the final release of Essentials 2011.

quote:
Originally posted by thevampire2604
So what are you waiting for? Why dont you release a public beta? I'll explode if it's no released by next month!! I wanna mess around with a MSN buddy... (6)
A public beta wasn't released because it wasn't/isn't ready for general public, just wait using Plus! 4.9 in Messenger 2011 or downgrade to get a fully operational Plus! on Messenger 2009.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by thevampire2604 on 01-04-2011 at 05:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by thevampire2604
So what are you waiting for? Why dont you release a public beta? I'll explode if it's no released by next month!! I wanna mess around with a MSN buddy... (6)
A public beta wasn't released because it wasn't/isn't ready for general public, just wait using Plus! 4.9 in Messenger 2011 or downgrade to get a fully operational Plus! on Messenger 2009.

Aww. Anyway, I'm using WLM 2009 (xp) and im not getting MsgPlus until 5.0 is released...  :'(

EDIT: Woah! What a quick reply you gave! :D
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 01-04-2011 at 05:09 PM

If they do make a mandatory update, we can just set the compatibility mode t Windows XP, because Windows xp users have to use 2009 anyway :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-04-2011 at 07:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dbgarza
...but I'm sure that soon we gonna get forced to use the new version as they always do each time they release a new msn. :s
No they wont.

This is different than other versions in that both branches are aimed at different OSs and are not downwards compatible:

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
....because Windows xp users have to use 2009 anyway :P
Hence there wont be a mandatory update....

Unless there is a severe security issue discovered in WLM 2009, but even that wont make it mandatory to update to WLM 2011 for Vista/7 users. If something like this is discovered, a new WLM 2009 will be released, which can be installed by Vista/7 users if they whish.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by dbgarza on 01-05-2011 at 09:37 AM

Good point there, and actually there is a security issue, why do you think that on Windows Live Messenger they disabled the clickeable links? For what I did read, it was because of a worm alert or something like that.

Oddly enough, in Windows Live Messenger 2011 the clickeable links aren't disabled, it is only on Windows Live Messenger 2009.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 01-05-2011 at 10:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by dbgarza
Oddly enough, in Windows Live Messenger 2011 the clickeable links aren't disabled
Because Messenger 2011 feeds all the links through Microsoft's SmartScreen service which enables them to block malicious URLs fairly effectively.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Honest Heart on 01-06-2011 at 10:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie

General release anticipated at the end of January, 2011


Messenger Plus! has released the private beta version of Plus! 5 to the testers, the fifth major version of the popular Messenger Plus! software.  The beta version of this software and new website is currently in the testing and translation process.  The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.


which day of January u mean 30 ? or what ?

anybody can answer ?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-06-2011 at 11:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Honest Heart
quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie

The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.


which day of January u mean 30 ? or what ?

anybody can answer ?
As highlighted, it isn't even sure there will be a release in the end of January, we don't know what day it will be released.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by duck! on 01-11-2011 at 01:34 AM

The design of the homepage looks a bit dodgy. Reminds me of adware/spyware sites..
The messenger plus logo doesn't look fun anymore. It looks a bit..meh. Needs more colour.
but..as long as MP5 has skinning and everything works, I'll be a happy duck :cheesy:


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by daoping on 01-11-2011 at 03:54 PM

I can't wait for this to be released :(


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-11-2011 at 09:14 PM


Hmm so much negativity....

Plus! 5 is looking promising, it looks ok but until I actually get to use it or have hands on with it and play around with all the option etc then I cant really say if I like it or hate it as just having small screenshots doesn't really work for me as I cant really judge on them alone. Same for the site it looks okay but prefer the one we have now, however I do think its time for a chance and the site is going to evolve. I like the old logo the new one is meh. in saying that its still only early days and it may very well get changed into something more awesome that words can describe lol. Hmmm as for the tree view thingy, I'm not sure if I'm all for that but at the same time I am. would be cool if you could choose a different view style kind of like in windows or something just as a example. Honestly the tree view looks better if you have so many option etc but looks a tad too small. There is but a fine line between making it too small and too big. At this point I cant really say if I like it or hate it, either the site or the Plus! 5. All I really care about is that this does not go and end up like messenger Discovery where without much of a warning it now no longer free. the free version is unusable with nag screens every 5 to 30 seconds. Anyway enough about that and more about Plus! 5, we will just have to wait until they are ready to release it and honestly I don't care if they don't release it until after the end of January as I would rather they take the time to make it perfect than to rush the release and only to have a buggy, glitchy Plus! that causes more headaches than its worth. Just look at many of the new games that get released this year, most of them are not completely finished and are so buggy it takes them like a year or longer to actually fix all the problems that their loyal fans, gamers, customers or what ever you want to call us/ them.

Anyway guy keep up the good work. as I sad at the start Plus! 5 is looking very promising!!!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by x4x on 01-15-2011 at 05:52 AM

Why did not The release of Plus! 5 ??


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chris4 on 01-15-2011 at 05:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by x4x
Why did not The release of Plus! 5 ??
As highlighted, it's currently in the process of being built and tested. These things don't just magically come out of no where, my friend.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-15-2011 at 06:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by x4x
Why did not The release of Plus! 5 ??
Plus5 should be released at the end of this  Month,  its built now, just being tested before a public release
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by x4x on 01-15-2011 at 09:12 AM

Thank you all for your responses and we are waiting for new version
with my love
x4x hacker


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Xaps on 01-15-2011 at 07:58 PM

I'll live to see the day that Yuna is going to develop its own messaging application. I'm kinda looking foward to it now. Is there any thoughts about it?!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by S P E E D on 01-16-2011 at 06:22 PM

about lang arabic will be Available


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by prashker on 01-16-2011 at 06:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by S P E E D
about lang arabic will be Available
In the private beta for us testers, Arabic is a selectable language during the installation, so yes :).
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by SmokingCookie on 01-16-2011 at 07:58 PM

Kinda interesting that the "Live tag" is being ditched... Does that mean that Plus! 5 will be installed at C:\Program Files (x86)\Messenger Plus!? And if so, will we need to move all our scripts and skins to that location? Or will the setup do that?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-16-2011 at 08:53 PM

The skins and script may or may not be compatible with 5. I don't know as 5 looks like a complete rebuild. I'm sure someone can correct me if needed.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 01-16-2011 at 08:59 PM

Scripts and Skins will continue to work on Plus! 5. The installer takes care of moving things.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-16-2011 at 09:35 PM

I don't use any so its all good for those that do :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by mathken330 on 01-18-2011 at 07:18 AM

As I read through the entire 13 pages of posts (not all posts though), It seems that there aren't any (or so i've read anyway) suggesting other forum/ideas.  Although mybb forum looks good as it is, have you tried phpbb, another popular favourites? or some other forum types/programs?  Maybe a site cms program like drupal or joomla could help design the site?

--
Kenneth T.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-18-2011 at 10:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by mathken330
As I read through the entire 13 pages of posts (not all posts though), It seems that there aren't any (or so i've read anyway) suggesting other forum/ideas.  Although mybb forum looks good as it is, have you tried phpbb, another popular favourites? or some other forum types/programs?  Maybe a site cms program like drupal or joomla could help design the site?
Other forum boards for this forum have been heavily discussed in the past. The thing is, this is not just mybb anymore, although it look like it is. It is a heavily modified version. Yes it may lack some of the features forum boards have these days. But almost all of those features are either useless in essence, or either makes the forum look too busy/heavy/sluggish. Everything we need is already here. Some moderation tools could be improved though, but that is almost all there is to improve.

As for the new forum board and website, there is nothing to choose. Yuna has already choosen their forum board software and the website is done with a cms system already.

PS: The website screenshot you'll see in the first post is an old screenshot btw. The look has been improved since then.

Personal note: stuff like drupal and joomla is extremely overrated. It is fine for personal websites/blogs and stuff, but as soon as you have more complicated things going on, many things to integrate, etc, you will quickly find that you need to heavily modify the thing anyways.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by wrongday on 01-18-2011 at 04:10 PM

Beta testing will end exactly when ? Or Do you have a big problem in the beta version of ? :(


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 01-18-2011 at 04:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by wrongday
Beta testing will end exactly when ? Or Do you have a big problem in the beta version of ? :(
quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.
There is no more specific date (yet).

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by traxor on 01-19-2011 at 04:51 PM

Wow, Messenger Plus! has become a mess.

Nice work, Yuna. You've turned what was a nice-looking application and website into a dirty mess.

You need to spend your money on proper interface designers and web designer, probably throw in some money for ux whilst you're at it. The move to a larger company was supposed to be a positive thing.

Most of all though, listen to your audience. They all hate it.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Biller on 01-19-2011 at 07:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Talk2Luke
Wow, Messenger Plus! has become a mess.

Nice work, Yuna. You've turned what was a nice-looking application and website into a dirty mess.

You need to spend your money on proper interface designers and web designer, probably throw in some money for ux whilst you're at it. The move to a larger company was supposed to be a positive thing.

Most of all though, listen to your audience. They all hate it.

Now therefore you've just created an account? awesome!
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by PedroGabriel on 01-19-2011 at 10:53 PM

Messenger Plus! 5 will work on Windows Live Messenger 2009?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-19-2011 at 10:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PedroGabriel
Messenger Plus! 5 will work on Windows Live Messenger 2009?
Yes.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 01-19-2011 at 10:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PedroGabriel
Messenger Plus! 5 will work on Windows Live Messenger 2009?

Yes, of course :)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by PedroGabriel on 01-19-2011 at 10:59 PM

very good to know :)
Thanks fast answers!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-19-2011 at 11:10 PM

since the website has been changed, why not take another screenshot of it an upload it to these forums and attach it in the First post? that way Yuna can get more feedback on its design and fix it


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-20-2011 at 07:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Talk2Luke
Wow, Messenger Plus! has become a mess.

Nice work, Yuna. You've turned what was a nice-looking application and website into a dirty mess.

You need to spend your money on proper interface designers and web designer, probably throw in some money for ux whilst you're at it. The move to a larger company was supposed to be a positive thing.

Most of all though, listen to your audience. They all hate it.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't Cookie a few posts before mention that they have since redesigned the site etc?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrono on 01-20-2011 at 07:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't Cookie a few posts before mention that they have since redesigned the site etc?
true. it's still far from good but it does look better now (i still prefer the current website by gfd :p)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-20-2011 at 07:58 AM

Same here but I have not seen the newest design.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-20-2011 at 12:46 PM

'end of january' approaches. Here it comes


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Thor on 01-20-2011 at 12:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrono
quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't Cookie a few posts before mention that they have since redesigned the site etc?
true. it's still far from good but it does look better now (i still prefer the current website by gfd :p)
Same. Good ol' GFD.

(I swear I'm not experiencing the facebook syndrome!)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-20-2011 at 02:42 PM

Just have faith in them as what they are doing is hardly easy now is it? well to some it might be but me personally its far from it. I couldn't program if my life depended on it as I was never that good as getting my head around it was impossible lol


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hous3Fr3ak on 01-21-2011 at 08:32 AM

Do you now have a Releasedate for Plus! 5 or comes out 31.01.?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-21-2011 at 08:45 AM

There is no exact release date only a rough guess as to when it might or should or could be released. They plan to release at the end of the month.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-21-2011 at 11:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
Do you now have a Releasedate for Plus! 5 or comes out 31.01.?
If theres any more news, there'll be some noise about it
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by traxor on 01-21-2011 at 01:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
Just have faith in them as what they are doing is hardly easy now is it? well to some it might be but me personally its far from it. I couldn't program if my life depended on it as I was never that good as getting my head around it was impossible lol

That's not really a valid excuse. It may not be easy to design a website, but a professional can sketch, revise, sketch, mock-up etc and know when something is good. The original design they presented looked like something that would be done by somebody who's never designed a commercial website before. I'd even go so far as to say that that's probably the case.

What's happening is that they're trying to put their own footprint in "Messenger Plus!" and saving money in certain places. They may be investing additional money in the software itself and paying less for designers which is terrible, it completely devalues the current state of the software and the website which, to be frank, is one of the nicest-looking windows live messenger associated websites out there (though it's by no stretch of the imagination perfect or could even compete with other sites). To be honest, it's like going back to day one.

Really, really disappointing. What's even more disappointing is the responses I got to my original one saying that Cookie et al have said it's good. Why back somebody up when you haven't seen the new design yourself. I'm talking about the original ones.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by traxor on 01-21-2011 at 11:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SonicSam
What Talk2Luke is saying is, hire someone professional like traxordesigns.

Half of that is true. I'm saying, "hire a professional". That's it. I'm not interested in anything else. Like I've always said, I care about this forum and the software and I hate to see it go to pot. The only thing I'd ever do now, however, is advise and comment on certain decisions from what I know. (Edit: that sentence was an atrocity). All I've come here to do (and may continue to do) is contribute thoughts and advice on the decisions/ideas made by Yuna, but only about what I have experience in in this case, website design.

I don't think that's unfair.

Besides, only a few members know about that side of things with me. I don't have ANY information connected with this account. That was the point of it.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-21-2011 at 11:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Talk2Luke


Really, really disappointing. What's even more disappointing is the responses I got to my original one saying that Cookie et al have said it's good. Why back somebody up when you haven't seen the new design yourself. I'm talking about the original ones.

Well you do have a point there about me not seeing the original ones. As for backing Cookie up well what can I say? I have no reason not to trust him and in a way I suppose you could say I respect him in away or respect/trust his opinions. Anyway lets just wait for the final release of it and then we all can really comment on what we love or hate about the site.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-21-2011 at 11:17 PM

i think the Forum will be more concerning to people than the website since people will only go to the site just to click on DOWNLOAD  or get skins


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-21-2011 at 11:19 PM

Luke,

Zoidy's point is just as valid as yours.

All you've said is based upon the old thing, and that is also the point Zoidy tried to make with his response imo: "have faith" and hold your grunch, for now... because the old design is no more.

If you still feel that way (and I have a hunch you would though) after you've seen the new design then by all means say it, but for now you haven't seen the new design either so you can't judge it. Just as Zoidy can't judge it for now.

And for the record: I never said "it is good", I said "it is better" than before. It is a day and night difference from before. But this said..., there is still a lot left to improve upon.

PS: Also, I have seen shitloads of commercial websites done by high-payed professionals which looked far worse than even the original design of the new Plus! site fyi. I have also seen better of course.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-21-2011 at 11:22 PM

Thanks Cookie, I'm sure they are keeping track of our comments and trying to improve on the area's that we don't like etc. Honestly to me the site doesn't matter to me how it looks as I wont use it often enough to really care about. The forum I'd use a lot more though but not as much as the end product i.e. Messenger Plus! 5, thats what I would care about how it looks and more importantly how it works and preforms.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-21-2011 at 11:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
because the old design is no more.
But when will we be able to see it?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-21-2011 at 11:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
Thanks Cookie, I'm sure they are keeping track of our comments and trying to improve on the area's that we don't like etc.
They sure do.
Maybe not as fast as some might have hoped, but at least they're trying.

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
Honestly to me the site doesn't matter to me how it looks as I wont use it often enough to really care about. The forum I'd use a lot more though but not as much as the end product i.e. Messenger Plus! 5, thats what I would care about how it looks and more importantly how it works and preforms.
couldn't agree more.

quote:
Originally posted by toddy
cookie, how much a year do yuna pay you :P ?
not enough... as in: nothing.

But seriously though, I think what I say is called 'common sense'.
It's a totaly different concept than 'hear-say' and 'it's bad and it always will be just because (it's yuna)"..

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
because the old design is no more.
But when will we be able to see it?
I hope soon enough though....
It's taking them a bit too long to just post a new screenshot imho. But I can't do much about that unfortunatly.
(no, I wont leak it)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-21-2011 at 11:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
(no, I wont leak it)
Not asking for a leak, asking for an update from Yuna :P [Jieff, Nathalie, any news we might be interested in? (A)]
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 01-21-2011 at 11:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
(no, I wont leak it)
Not asking for a leak, asking for an update from Yuna :P [Jieff, Nathalie, any news we might be interested in? (A)]

Nothing new, but I stand by my forecast :P

It's coming, it's coming ... :banana:

Ok, Ok, the dancing banana is not helping, I know
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-21-2011 at 11:37 PM

Jieff, big hint: they might be interested in a screenshot of the new website design though... :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-21-2011 at 11:41 PM

just the Website, thats all, i dont think thatts to hard of a task to do


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 01-22-2011 at 12:07 AM

Well, I don't know about another sneak peek. I usually get in trouble for doing that!

[Image: Protoype_new_web_layout_3.png]

(Click to enlarge.)

Oh well, why not :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-22-2011 at 12:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Well, I don't know about another sneak peek. I usually get in trouble for doing that!

[http://msgplus.net/temp/Protoype_new_web_layout_3.png]

Oh well, why not :)
:zippy:

I think it is indeed way better than the old new design, but do the oversized "share" icons really need to be there [or to be that oversized] ?

Also: [Image: fab826d3db745274200928231d6e4292.png] (A)

And why there are so  many different backgrounds in such a small space? :P

Liked the "lighter" color scheme, smaller header and cleaner background, btw.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 01-22-2011 at 12:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy

I think it is indeed way better than the old new design, but do the oversized "share" icons really need to be there [or to be that oversized] ?


I don't know about the icons either. We'll see if they stay on board.

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy

Also: [Image: fab826d3db745274200928231d6e4292.png] (A)

And why there are so  many different backgrounds in such a small space? :P


Things are still in motion. Here today, gone tomorrow :P

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-22-2011 at 12:49 AM

least it looks much better, not as bloated.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hous3Fr3ak on 01-22-2011 at 09:00 AM

you'll have to just make the website more? than are all ready?

Sorry my English is not so good! I'm from Germany


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lou on 01-22-2011 at 01:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
you'll have to just make the website more? than are all ready?

Sorry my English is not so good! I'm from Germany
There is still work to be done, as everyone here keeps repeating. It is not quite ready yet, sit tight ;)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by traxor on 01-22-2011 at 04:16 PM

@Cookie: It's a shame that you've worked with paid companies a lot of money to create commercial websites and have been unhappy with the result. You should've refused to pay for something you're not happy with.

@Jieff: No offence, but what's that site trying to achieve? The design would look ten times better if you didn't try and go for the "web 2.0" look. The web isn't about rounded corners, gradients and drop shadows anymore. Have a think about the typography of it and remember there's no such thing as a "web-friendly" font anymore so you don't just have Arial, Verdana and Tahoma to choose from if you want sans-serif typefaces. Cufon & @font-face are you friend. It's all about the subtleties and, at the moment, that site looks like it was done in about 2005, it will stick it like a sore thumb on the web.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blackjack on 01-22-2011 at 07:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Talk2Luke
@Cookie: It's a shame that you've worked with paid companies a lot of money to create commercial websites and have been unhappy with the result. You should've refused to pay for something you're not happy with.


Since when Cookie said that?

it was like this:

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS: Also, I have seen shitloads of commercial websites done by high-payed professionals which looked far worse than even the original design of the new Plus! site fyi. I have also seen better of course.

8-)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by devxon on 01-22-2011 at 11:17 PM

I'm very excited to see the general release of Plus! 5

I have nothing to complain about the release because there is so much effort put behind this proyect and I recognize it

The only thing I have to say is Patchou don't make us to wait more time!! We want to try it now! (the enthusiasm) :o)

PD: Sorry about the English


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by nimicitor on 01-22-2011 at 11:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by devxon
I'm very excited to see the general release of Plus! 5

I have nothing to complain about the release because there is so much effort put behind this proyect and I recognize it

The only thing I have to say is Patchou don't make us to wait more time!! We want to try it now! (the enthusiasm) :o)

PD: Sorry about the English

Patchou? You mean Yuna. Welcome to 2011.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by traxor on 01-22-2011 at 11:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blackjack
quote:
Originally posted by Talk2Luke
@Cookie: It's a shame that you've worked with paid companies a lot of money to create commercial websites and have been unhappy with the result. You should've refused to pay for something you're not happy with.


Since when Cookie said that?

it was like this:

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS: Also, I have seen shitloads of commercial websites done by high-payed professionals which looked far worse than even the original design of the new Plus! site fyi. I have also seen better of course.

8-)

Had a massive case of the DIDNOTREADPROPERLY's then. Apologies Cookie :-).
RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by devxon on 01-23-2011 at 12:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nimicitor
quote:
Originally posted by devxon
I'm very excited to see the general release of Plus! 5

I have nothing to complain about the release because there is so much effort put behind this proyect and I recognize it

The only thing I have to say is Patchou don't make us to wait more time!! We want to try it now! (the enthusiasm) :o)

PD: Sorry about the English

Patchou? You mean Yuna. Welcome to 2011.

Ok Yuna, you don't have to be rude ;)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-23-2011 at 01:18 AM

Patchou turned into Yuna? :o

j/k, Yuna took over from Patchou as the top dog you could say (if I have that right)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-23-2011 at 01:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
Patchou turned into Yuna? :o

j/k, Yuna took over from Patchou as the top dog you could say (if I have that right)
Please read New Community Manager and Back to the roots... for a fresh start (A)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by msilv1988 on 01-24-2011 at 11:42 AM

News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-24-2011 at 11:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by msilv1988
News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?

Unfortunately, we have no more news. the rest of the community are as eager to hear from YUNA as you are.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 01-24-2011 at 11:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by msilv1988
News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?
It is currently being tested and translated, so yes it is almost ready.

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by maclennan1982 on 01-25-2011 at 12:22 PM

come on man i'm so missing msn plus it's not funny, updated my msn by mistake and now stuck with stupid thing - been waiting so long for msn + 5!! we're at the end of January now!! come on dudes!! :-p

I had the coolest layout, like all my windows were jet black - I could open 2 accounts at the same time, was just awesome.. I updated it boom it's all gone and I'm back to the horrid old outlook :(

I even changed all my sounds for like when people sign in and stuff, all gone too,, hm yes I need to get out more! :D


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by prashker on 01-25-2011 at 01:31 PM

maclennan1982: You'll thank us testers when it finally comes out, there are still a few bugs that'd irritate the most patient of users :p.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-25-2011 at 03:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by maclennan1982
updated my msn by mistake and now stuck with stupid thing - been waiting so long for msn + 5!
You can always revert back to Windows Live Messenger 2009 and Plus! 4.9 for the time being...

Simply uninstall Windows Live Messenger 2011 and download version 2009 from the official page: http://explore.live.com/windows-live-Messenger-XP

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by boomy2008 on 01-25-2011 at 04:46 PM

Well Windows Live Messenger 2011 is a mandatory update for Windows 7. It automatically updates to Windows Live Messenger 2011 after installing Service Pack 1. You can't blame users for doing that...


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-25-2011 at 04:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by boomy2008
Well Windows Live Messenger 2011 is a mandatory update for Windows 7. It automatically updates to Windows Live Messenger 2011 after installing Service Pack 1. You can't blame users for doing that...
It's not mandatory. It is 'preferred' though, but you're not forced to update to version 2011.

Of course, if you have set up Windows to automatically download and install all updates without asking you (like it is by default), then yes, it will be updated to version 2011, but that is not 'mandatory' though.

We also don't blame users if they do. All we say is that you don't need to do it if you don't want to and that nothing is forced upon you; you still do have a choice. And even then, you still can uninstall it and download and install version 2009 from the official MS website if you want.

;)
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by slay on 01-25-2011 at 08:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
Well, I don't know about another sneak peek. I usually get in trouble for doing that!

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=96...1006527#pid1006527

(Click to enlarge.)

Oh well, why not :)



IMHO it is pretty nice and not so totally different from current one
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by msilv1988 on 01-26-2011 at 12:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:
Originally posted by msilv1988
News for release 5 fully compatible with WLM2011?

The news of 29th december 2010 (http://www.msgpluslive.net/news/2010/12/29/messenger-plus-releases-plus-5-beta/) say that it will be released for the end of january.

It's almost ready?
It is currently being tested and translated, so yes it is almost ready.


OK..thanks for the answer!
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hous3Fr3ak on 01-26-2011 at 06:33 PM

you still working on the website?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by x2zen on 01-26-2011 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
you still working on the website?
Yes.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hous3Fr3ak on 01-26-2011 at 09:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by x2zen
quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
you still working on the website?
Yes.

how long will it last?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-26-2011 at 09:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hous3Fr3ak
how long will it last?
Nobody knows how long it will take to get ready, but it still seems to be targeted to the end of January, it may be just a few days away (A)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hous3Fr3ak on 01-27-2011 at 05:46 AM

Thank You for the Information!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by kabso 5 on 01-27-2011 at 11:34 AM

Is it working with 8.5?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by djdannyp on 01-27-2011 at 02:37 PM

I very much doubt it, because 8.5 is no longer useable without hacking the Messenger exe, which is illegal.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by kabso 5 on 01-27-2011 at 03:56 PM

How to hack it?

using hex?

I think windows ME or windows 98 cant install 2009 only 8.5 lul


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 01-27-2011 at 04:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by kabso 5
I think windows ME or windows 98 cant install 2009 only 8.5
AFAIK Windows ME/98 users can't use Messenger 8.5 either. I believe Messenger 8.5 only worked on XP and newer. Users of older Windows versions are stuck on 8.1.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by kabso 5 on 01-27-2011 at 04:10 PM

idk but 8.5 still works with ma friends for some reason lol


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by wrongday on 01-27-2011 at 06:10 PM

Have you had the last 4 days? very exciting (A):o)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Rasenes on 01-27-2011 at 09:47 PM

Hello, you have information? I can't wait that he(it) is finished! :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tjgui on 01-28-2011 at 12:54 PM

When it will launch its five messenger plus?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-28-2011 at 01:18 PM

No date yet. Yuna are squashing bugs. End of the month is the latest figure (things are hectic I hear)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-28-2011 at 04:06 PM

PS: I dunno if I should say this or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is delayed a few days though. As Oxy rightfully states, things are extremely hectic atm (you know, like too much stuff todo, too little time, that sort of thing). But also note that this is by no means an official statement, just my own observation as translator/beta tester.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-28-2011 at 08:03 PM

Good Things Take Time :D


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by badboybub on 01-29-2011 at 03:47 AM

ill take it with bugs, can do updates LOL


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-29-2011 at 05:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by badboybub
ill take it with bugs, can do updates LOL
dont worry, it'll be released with Bugs anyway no such thing as in Bugless software
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-29-2011 at 07:02 AM

if it was bugless then there would be something seriously wrong. Name one new game or software thats bugless when its first released? cant think of any can you? lol


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-29-2011 at 07:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
f it was bugless then there would be something seriously wrong. Name one new game or software thats bugless when its first released? cant think of any can you? lol
why game software?  im not a game Nerd so i dont know
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 01-29-2011 at 07:08 AM

it was an example as games are software also =P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-29-2011 at 07:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
it was an example as games are software also =P
yeah i realise that, but so is anything else
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-29-2011 at 05:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
if it was bugless then there would be something seriously wrong. Name one new game or software thats bugless when its first released? cant think of any can you? lol
But considering the amount of activity in the private forums, I'd say it's more like "there's a software in this bug"
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-29-2011 at 05:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
"there's a software in this bug"
qft
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-29-2011 at 05:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by badboybub
ill take it with bugs, can do updates LOL
You can indeed always do updates, But you realy do not want to have the bugs experienced during beta testing....
and support teams do not want to answer on stuff like "my directory got wiped out" or "my private email is broadcasted to the rest of the world"... not saying those specific things happened (although one did), but I mean severe stuff like that...

As said before, there will be bugs left anyways. But most of them should be ironed out before it gets in the hands of the public.

It will be ready when it is ready ;)

quote:
Originally posted by Oxy
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
"there's a software in this bug"
qft
:lol:

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by MeEtc on 01-29-2011 at 06:02 PM

As Cookie was suggesting

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
support teams do not want to answer on stuff like "my directory got wiped out" or "my private email is broadcasted to the rest of the world"
Not all bugs are annoyances in the software. Some of them are privacy and security related that can and will compromise user information. Stuff like this NEEDS to be fixed and done so properly before a general release can be made available.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by wrongday on 01-29-2011 at 11:11 PM

Have you had the last 1 day? I can not wait :P:P Have had a problem with beta testing? Do you have any problems with or related plus ? I have most curious thing is still a definite lack of information (A):XP:


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-29-2011 at 11:17 PM

There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by wrongday on 01-29-2011 at 11:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.


Ok ! Thanks :)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by soppskalle on 01-30-2011 at 07:08 AM

It says in the end of january, isnt that now?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-30-2011 at 07:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by soppskalle
It says in the end of january, isnt that now?
not quite . 31st is the last day
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by foaly on 01-30-2011 at 10:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.

True, but I think a lot of people would like a status update.
Waiting can be really frustrating if you don't know how long you have to wait...


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hous3Fr3ak on 01-30-2011 at 10:39 AM

That means we have to wait any longer? I was glad to the new version :(


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blu3ang31 on 01-30-2011 at 10:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by foaly


True, but I think a lot of people would like a status update.
Waiting can be really frustrating if you don't know how long you have to wait...



Totally agree... it would be nice to know how long we need wait yet... I have installed the new messenger last november and realized that even i like it, but i am missing some stuff i was get used to it, like contacts on my desktop and so....
So I am really patient while i know how long i need wait... but in last days i guess i am going crazy...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Matti on 01-30-2011 at 01:23 PM

I understand that you'd like a status update, but it's up to Yuna Software to do so. I can say that I see a lot of progress is made and everyone's doing their best to make Plus! meet the quality demands from its user base. No worries, your patience will be rewarded. ;)

However, nobody can tell exactly when Plus! 5 will see a public release. Yes, Yuna Software is targeting an end of January release but that doesn't mean that it will be released before 1 February. The primary goal is as always to build a quality product, there's no use in releasing a semi-working product.

May I also ask Alias not to spread false information about the release date? The target date is not set in stone, statements such as "since it's 30 January it has to be released within two days" make no sense. If you're that eager to know when it's released, simply check these forums. If Plus! 5 is released or a release date is announced, you will see it. If it isn't, come back later. It's that simple.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by siemprebuenoo on 01-30-2011 at 01:50 PM

since the view contact card is not in wlm 2011 anymore and i miss that feature... editing my contacts directly from msn and not opening a web browser to edit them or save the information or view the informations about my contacts
is it possible to see it in msg plus 5???


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-30-2011 at 02:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by siemprebuenoo
is it possible to see it in msg plus 5???
I dont think Yuna have released a feature list. So, we don't know.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lou on 01-30-2011 at 05:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by siemprebuenoo
since the view contact card is not in wlm 2011 anymore and i miss that feature... editing my contacts directly from msn and not opening a web browser to edit them or save the information or view the informations about my contacts
is it possible to see it in msg plus 5???
My advice to you is to wait and see, and if a feature you want is not included, you can suggest its implementation then :) New features (apart from what is already 'new') will not be added before the first release as there is enough work as it is.
Stay patient everyone, it will be released when it is ready.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by NLT on 01-30-2011 at 07:13 PM

Any idea when this will be released?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-30-2011 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by NLT
Any idea when this will be released?
When it's ready. Just wait :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by R120 on 01-30-2011 at 07:18 PM

Will polygamy and NudgesToolScripts actually works on new version MSNplus 5 with WLM2011?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-30-2011 at 07:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R120
Will polygamy and NudgesToolScripts actually works on new version MSNplus 5 with WLM2011?
Polygamy will work, according to the testers, but scripts will need to be updated because of the new messenger version already, don't know if the new Plus! Version will also require an adaptation, probably not.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Wael90 on 01-30-2011 at 10:20 PM

We desperately need the new version, it's the end of January already. I know that deadlines suck but oh well.. WLM2011 simply sucks all the way and the only reason I've been using it for 10 days is that I like the new WLMail and the idea of Plus!5.. A newsflash would be ideal right now just to keep us alerted.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-30-2011 at 10:24 PM

Alerted on what? Just wait patiently, you don't want to get Plus! with all the bugs it has [judging by the amount of activity in the private forums and translators having problems].

Everything you need to know was already said:

quote:
Originally posted by Lou
Stay patient everyone, it will be released when it is ready.
quote:
Originally posted by Matti
I understand that you'd like a status update, but it's up to Yuna Software to do so. I can say that I see a lot of progress is made and everyone's doing their best to make Plus! meet the quality demands from its user base. No worries, your patience will be rewarded. ;)

However, nobody can tell exactly when Plus! 5 will see a public release. Yes, Yuna Software is targeting an end of January release but that doesn't mean that it will be released before 1 February. The primary goal is as always to build a quality product, there's no use in releasing a semi-working product.

May I also ask Alias not to spread false information about the release date? The target date is not set in stone, statements such as "since it's 30 January it has to be released within two days" make no sense. If you're that eager to know when it's released, simply check these forums. If Plus! 5 is released or a release date is announced, you will see it. If it isn't, come back later. It's that simple.
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
There is no lack of information: bugs are being reported in the private section and fixed, information about what bugs are those is private. Translations are being made and improoved, but the text isn't public for more than obvious reasons. And Yuna clearly stated it is TARGETED for the end of January, it doesn't mean it will be released in the end of January.
quote:
Originally posted by MeEtc
As Cookie was suggesting
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
support teams do not want to answer on stuff like "my directory got wiped out" or "my private email is broadcasted to the rest of the world"
Not all bugs are annoyances in the software. Some of them are privacy and security related that can and will compromise user information. Stuff like this NEEDS to be fixed and done so properly before a general release can be made available.

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-30-2011 at 10:25 PM

They're working On squashing bugs unfortunately. Read previous posts for more information on that front.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Discord on 01-31-2011 at 02:25 AM

plus live! rocks. ill be happy to enjoy it when it coes out. you peeps do good work, i for one trust your doing things just as they need to be done and well have a good product to play with when time is right :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by thunde12 on 01-31-2011 at 02:28 AM

Kya...>.<...it's take to long to publish..>.<..today is already end of january...


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by robert_dll on 01-31-2011 at 02:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by thunde12
Kya...>.<...it's take to long to publish..>.<..today is already end of january...
Not in Canada :P anyway, they told us the release was TARGETED at the end of this month, they didn't give an official release date.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by magicfly on 01-31-2011 at 07:34 AM

take your time guys!
you don't need to rush cause hundreds of people are asking again again and again for this new Plus!5.

They'll get it at the right time! ;)

Just thank you for providing this tool!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-31-2011 at 07:40 AM

it'll be released tomorrow , no one has said anything different from yuna


RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by thunde12 on 01-31-2011 at 10:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll
quote:
Originally posted by thunde12
Kya...>.<...it's take to long to publish..>.<..today is already end of january...
Not in Canada :P anyway, they told us the release was TARGETED at the end of this month, they didn't give an official release date.

OK..thx for you info..^_^..hope tonight will publish immediately..
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tiba on 01-31-2011 at 01:02 PM

only confirmed for me then, as I understand is the msg coming out tomorrow plus 5?
I am Brazilian and I have to use a translator to understand what you say!

sorry if I repeat something I asked.

I thank you.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by magicfly on 01-31-2011 at 01:05 PM

i don't understand all this rush to upgrade plus....

uhm ^o)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by benzo93 on 01-31-2011 at 01:23 PM

Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tiba on 01-31-2011 at 01:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by magicfly
i don't understand all this rush to upgrade plus....

uhm ^o)

simple, there are people who can not use the new MSN without the plus.

I am one of them
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Mnjul on 01-31-2011 at 01:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by benzo93
Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol
It's somebody trying to impersonate Plus! 5. It's *not* the official site at all - and I recommend you not download anything off the site!


Hmm, I clicked its Download button, and it appears to download a 4.90.392 version of Plus! (regardless of its filename). The digital signature from Yuna seems intact, but that doesn't 100% guarantee it's safe.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by benzo93 on 01-31-2011 at 01:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mnjul
quote:
Originally posted by benzo93
Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol
It's somebody trying to impersonate Plus! 5. It's *not* the official site at all - and I recommend you not download anything off the site!

Thanks for telling me. I was thinking has Messenger Plus! 5 already come out.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by SmokingCookie on 01-31-2011 at 02:26 PM

Just did a quick resource hack on the installation file downloaded from msnplus5.com; looks like it's just a 4.90 setup:

quote:
Originally posted by ResHack

1 VERSIONINFO
FILEVERSION 4,90,0,392
PRODUCTVERSION 4,90,0,392
FILEOS 0x40004
FILETYPE 0x2
{
BLOCK "StringFileInfo"
{
    BLOCK "000004b0"
    {
        VALUE "CompanyName", "Yuna Software"
        VALUE "FileDescription", "Messenger Plus! Live Setup"
        VALUE "FileVersion", "4, 90, 0, 392"
        VALUE "InternalName", "MsgPlusLive"
        VALUE "LegalCopyright", "Copyright (C) 2001-2010 Yuna Software"
        VALUE "OriginalFilename", "Setup.exe"
        VALUE "ProductName", "Messenger Plus! Live"
        VALUE "ProductVersion", "4, 90, 0, 392"
    }
}

BLOCK "VarFileInfo"
{
    VALUE "Translation", 0x0000 0x04B0
}
}

Of course, I don't know if and how the DLLs found in this file are cracked.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by ered on 01-31-2011 at 03:18 PM

Msg plus live will be released today right?
or next year?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 01-31-2011 at 03:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ered
Msg plus live will be released today right?
or next year?
Please read Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?"
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by nemo0 on 01-31-2011 at 03:42 PM

I'm already impatient, said in December that it was now late January and so far nothing


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 01-31-2011 at 03:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nemo0
I'm already impatient, said in December that it was now late January and so far nothing

Read the thread. You'd rather wait than have a buggy software that the testers have to deal with :)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-31-2011 at 04:29 PM

In regards to:

quote:
Originally posted by benzo93
Hey i'm just wondering... does this domain <link removed> belong to Messenger Plus!? or is it some kind of hacker trying to kill your computer? lol
quote:
Originally posted by Mnjul
It's somebody trying to impersonate Plus! 5. It's *not* the official site at all...
quote:
Originally posted by Spunky
Registrant: Elvio Sousa, Estrada da Areia n.23, ...
quote:
Originally posted by SmokingCookie
Just did a quick resource hack on the installation file downloaded from msnplus5.com; looks like it's just a 4.90 setup:

Please see the already existing thread:
Messenger Plus 5 is already out?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by leeshore on 01-31-2011 at 09:24 PM

Before we are very thanks. Because messenger plus live 5 coming :)

Amazing programs :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 01-31-2011 at 10:18 PM

perhaps tthere should be a actual official update from Yuna rep on when the next " Target " release could be


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Clairekun on 01-31-2011 at 10:37 PM

While we wait, could any of you please tell us a bit more about the preferences and options? I couldn't find anything here (maybe this information is somewhere else I didn't notice, I hope not).

I mean, I would like to know if there is anything new, or if there was anything you considered not useful enough in the previous versions and deleted/modified it. Major things, not every little change you made.

I have to say that, contrary to most comments I have read, I like the new look. Trying to use too many icons in settings and options panels often ends up being a bit annoying and distracting, so these neat menus look nicer to me.

Keep up the good work! I, for one, don't mind waiting a little longer if the result is worth it.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 01-31-2011 at 11:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Clairekun
I would like to know if there is anything new
yes...

quote:
Originally posted by Clairekun
or if there was anything you considered not useful enough in the previous versions and deleted/modified it. Major things, not every little change you made.
Nope...

;)

Does that answer your questions?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Spongshga on 01-31-2011 at 11:26 PM

end of J star of F.

I cant wait xD


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Clairekun on 01-31-2011 at 11:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
quote:
Originally posted by Clairekun
I would like to know if there is anything new
yes...

quote:
Originally posted by Clairekun
or if there was anything you considered not useful enough in the previous versions and deleted/modified it. Major things, not every little change you made.
Nope...

;)

Does that answer your questions?

Er... no xD. I wanted a more detailed explanation, but I guess we'll have to wait. But thanks!
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by ChaosMaker on 02-01-2011 at 01:10 AM

where is the MESSENGER PLUS 5 .
Today is the end of January
._____.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by PedroGabriel on 02-01-2011 at 01:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ChaosMaker
where is the MESSENGER PLUS 5 .
Today is the end of January
._____.
Lets make a revolution
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-01-2011 at 01:14 AM

ChaosMaker, PedroGabriel: Please read Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?"


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by PedroGabriel on 02-01-2011 at 01:17 AM

Thanks blessedguy.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by aflove65 on 02-01-2011 at 02:27 AM

They've had plenty of time to get the software updated but they decided to do the software and website at the same time blah. We want the software not the website. They could have done that after they got everything working with msn 2011 instead of giving a version of plus that only half works with it.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-01-2011 at 03:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nemo0
revolted, February 1 and nothing '
Haven't you been reading? It was targeted, it wasn't a guarantee. It still needs some work.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by robert_dll on 02-01-2011 at 04:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
They've had plenty of time to get the software updated but they decided to do the software and website at the same time blah. We want the software not the website. They could have done that after they got everything working with msn 2011 instead of giving a version of plus that only half works with it.
Afaik, there is people in charge of the website development, and people in charge of the software development. Those who are involved in the software aren't involved with the website and viceversa (correct me if I'm wrong). Also keep in mind the fact that if Patchou still continued to be the only one working on Plus! 5, we even wouldn't be expecting the software to be ready soon.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Spunky on 02-01-2011 at 06:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by robert_dll
quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
They've had plenty of time to get the software updated but they decided to do the software and website at the same time blah. We want the software not the website. They could have done that after they got everything working with msn 2011 instead of giving a version of plus that only half works with it.
Afaik, there is people in charge of the website development, and people in charge of the software development. Those who are involved in the software aren't involved with the website and viceversa (correct me if I'm wrong). Also keep in mind the fact that if Patchou still continued to be the only one working on Plus! 5, we even wouldn't be expecting the software to be ready soon.

Also, on top of that, from what I understood from the screenshots, there is no a server-side back-end for Plus! to store settings/chat logs and things. If problems have been spotted with this during BETA testing, they will need to be fixed. This could also possibly mean delays with the website if it allows users to log in using the same credentials.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CheekyGirl on 02-01-2011 at 06:20 AM

So is there a "ACTUAL" date messenger plus 5 will be released?? Sorry to sound rude but First it says earlier December and then its say end of January. Umm gets kinda misleading sometimes, I realize that these things do take time but these things also have a deadline too. But none the less can't wait for messenger plus 5 to be out. Keep up the great work. (Y)(H)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Mnjul on 02-01-2011 at 06:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CheekyGirl
So is there a "ACTUAL" date messenger plus 5 will be released??
No there is not. Based on the on-going progress, we can have an estimate, but that's just an estimate and is subject to change due to various reasons (beta-testers doing their best job finding bugs for the dev team to fix, for example)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CheekyGirl on 02-01-2011 at 06:23 AM

Thanks Mnjul (Y)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by kabso 5 on 02-01-2011 at 08:51 AM

quote:
Logs advanced online and local logging functions

Users can now view and search their logs locally or online on the MyPlus! server. Users can now access their logs from anywhere and at anytime, similar to the way they can access online email or other social media accounts.  Advanced log options are also available for local viewing.


Wont this effect the privacy?

Is there a way to disable connections between plus and the internet world XD?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Mnjul on 02-01-2011 at 08:55 AM

You can always choose to save your logs locally and not to the servers.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-01-2011 at 08:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by kabso 5
Wont this effect the privacy?
Unless you give out your login and password, no it wont.

quote:
Originally posted by kabso 5
Is there a way to disable connections between plus and the internet world XD?
Of course. Online logging will be optional.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by kabso 5 on 02-01-2011 at 09:06 AM

Oh I see...

quote:
Unless you give out your login and password, no it wont.


So the owner of the server wont be able to read anything?

or you can choose your own server or own host

that would be awesome if you ask me
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Spunky on 02-01-2011 at 09:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by kabso 5
Oh I see...



So the owner of the server wont be able to read anything?

or you can choose your own server or own host

that would be awesome if you ask me

I think there was a script that uploaded logs via FTP to your own server, but can't remember how well it worked =/
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by wrongday on 02-01-2011 at 09:27 AM

This is a very long drawn out period.How much more will have to wait ?First, they said in December after the end of January.Now Is the end of February was ?:(


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-01-2011 at 09:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by kabso 5
So the owner of the server wont be able to read anything?
They might, but there is no reason at all why they would. If you don't want server admins to read your stuff you also should stop using email, stop IM'ing, and like 90% of all the other stuff you do online.

quote:
Originally posted by wrongday
This is a very long drawn out period.How much more will have to wait ?First, they said in December after the end of January.Now Is the end of February was ?:(
It might be...  That is why the given dates were targetted dates and not fixed dates. And that's why people shouldn't be too much fixated on a release date. If it needs to be delayed it needs to be...

Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?"
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 02-01-2011 at 10:36 AM

Now correct me if I'm wrong here but I honestly don't remember Yuna or anyone among the staff, programmers etc actually saying as a guarantee release date being on the 31st of January. In saying that I do remember them saying that they "hope" NOT "will" have it done at the end of January. I couldn't care less if its not released for another month. I rather have a fully working and operation Plus! than a half assed faulty one that falls over every 5 minutes due to crashes etc.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by jnyrr on 02-01-2011 at 11:54 AM

damn you guys, be patient, if you guys got issues with current 2011wlm than uninstall 2011 and install 2009 wlm, then use 4.9. yuna is doing so much for us, least you guys could do is appreciate. just because he gave a date and couldnt finish is, doesnt mean you people just blabber whatever you want! if it wasnt for him you would be using msgplus in the 1st place!
and to the moderator
msg plus is real cool, but some bugs i encounter are,
1:sometimes some contacts dont appear to be online when they are and when they sign out, they are shown as online!
2:issues with the script compactabilty, so i used A-patch[ http://apatch.org/ ], i dont know if it has any conflict with msn or your msgplus, but if you could do something combine as such, that would be really appreciated!
3:skins slows down the wlm, makes it hang also.
if any progress do let me know
im a proud fan, thanks alot to yuna, and i really im eager to use msgplus 5! with its cool features.
good luck, and best wishes
-J


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by trixi1101 on 02-01-2011 at 03:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matty
quote:
Originally posted by nemo0
revolted, February 1 and nothing '
Haven't you been reading? It was targeted, it wasn't a guarantee. It still needs some work.

Ok and when we can download it? End of the year?!^o)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by siemprebuenoo on 02-01-2011 at 08:10 PM

i didn't like that the view contact card and editing the contact directly from wlm has been removed. any news about doing it from msgplus 5? am still waiting if not i wanna change to wlm 2009


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by devxon on 02-01-2011 at 10:04 PM

Right now I don't care about the delay. I only want the "Contacts who deleted you" function works in Plus! 5 properly :(


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-01-2011 at 10:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by devxon
Right now I don't care about the delay. I only want the "Contacts who deleted you" function works in Plus! 5 properly :(
It doesn't, it relied on data Microsoft stopped providing.
Please read 'Contact List Clean-Up' => Currently Not Working! (PLEASE READ)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Apatik on 02-01-2011 at 10:39 PM

I'm surprised nobody suggested Feb. 29th as a potential release date yet :p

* Apatik runs

Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone! :)


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Jieff on 02-01-2011 at 10:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Apatik
I'm surprised nobody suggested Feb. 29th as a potential release date yet :p

* Apatik runs


Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone! :)

Hey, get back to work :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by TheLawliet on 02-01-2011 at 10:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jieff
quote:
Originally posted by Apatik
I'm surprised nobody suggested Feb. 29th as a potential release date yet :p

* Apatik runs


Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone! :)

Hey, get back to work :P

LOL

-----------------------------------------------

Hey Guys , I recently registered here! I've been seeing the work of Yuna for so long.
And I'm here to congrats you!
Thank You all for this extension for WLM!

I'm impatient to see Msg Plus! Live 5

;D

Greetings from Brazil!
Cya.

( Sorry for some incorrect phrase , Some words I translated in Google Translator T.T )
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-01-2011 at 10:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Apatik
Nah, seriously, it's coming, please be patient everyone! :)
im sure my Mummy used those words to when she gave birth to me. :p

what should of been said

" MsgPlus5 is targeted between Jan an end of Feb2011 "  would of made more sense.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by zaara on 02-02-2011 at 01:06 AM

thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by prashker on 02-02-2011 at 01:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by zaara
thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!
On the last page you'll see Apatik is hinting at a near-end Febuary release.

Almost here :cheesy:!
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-02-2011 at 01:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by zaara
thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!
it'll be Due when its born , its currently 48 hours overdue  so keep watching
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lou on 02-02-2011 at 01:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by OzFlyGuy
Yuna needs to learn about how not to create unrealistic expectations, and in the event they do, how to marshall all resources at break neck speed to meet them!
Are you going to pay to hire more programmers and designers? That would be quite lovely.
quote:
Originally posted by zaara
thanks for this info .
today is 2 february and i don't  see it in website !!

Next time, please read through at least a few posts.

It will be released when it is ready and only when it is ready.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by DihBKT on 02-02-2011 at 01:58 AM

then means that today not release plus5? =(


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by OzFlyGuy on 02-02-2011 at 03:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Lou
Next time, please read through at least a few posts.

It will be released when it is ready and only when it is ready.[/size]

Absolutely, no doubt about this as I come from a programming background!

I did read through a few posts .. I also know the meaning of targeted ..

quote:
adjective 10. that is or may be a target or goal: The target group consisted of college graduates who earned more than $50,000 a year. verb (used with object) 11. to use, set up, or designate as a target or goal.


Therefore when you gave a 'target' - date - you raised an expectation.  To quote a common business term "perception is reality".

Oh and btw, it's really tacky to highlight your responses by using gigantic fonts .. would be much better you learn to manage the expectations you create.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Da_UNDGND on 02-02-2011 at 03:14 AM

This is really unfair from Yuna team, i don't if someone remember when they said that the realease of MSG plus would be for the ends of October/November, then they posponed it for December, then January and what the hell is going on!?!?!?!?!

I know and understand it is pretty hard to build such applications, including all the stuff with it (website, forums, etc, etc), and it is also a freeware software, but it is really annoying to be more than 4 months since the realese of MSG Plus! 4.90... because it was half-way built. I'm complaining because it is really sad and frustrating to be expecting something promised since 3 months ago to be released but still nothing!!!!!!! I think instead of just be promising you should just released it without any anticipation until it was done, that way the 5 MILLION of USERS wouldn't be MAD!!!!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-02-2011 at 03:24 AM

I'll try to explain this, even though Q&A: "It's already "end of January", where is Plus! 5?" is clear enough.
It was NEVER promised it would be released at all.
DELAYS HAPPEN, understand it please.
YES WE KNOW YOU HAVE EXPECTATIONS, do you think we don't? We've (in a certain way) been part of Plus! history, we are really upset about the delays either, but we know it happens and we understand Yuna hasn't finished their work yet.
WE DO NOT KNOW THE RELEASE DATE, and Yuna has NEVER confirmed any date, they made PREVISIONS, which clearly was way inaccurate.
We are f tired of replying and trying to explain in a polite way that YOU NEED TO BE PATIENT AND WAIT MORE.

Thank you :)

/lala


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by aflove65 on 02-02-2011 at 03:34 AM

Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised. They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset. If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-02-2011 at 03:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised. They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset. If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.
It wasn't promised. 
People were complaining for weeks already because WLM was released and Plus needed to be compatible, Yuna did what Patchou used to: release a half compatible version while the next one is coded. Coincidently, the next version was basically a complete rewrite from scratch.
And they are working on it, wait. They are working for days already only solving bugs, can't you be a little considerate to them and wait for their work to be completed?

And I swear it is my last reply in this post, if you read at least a single message and didn't understand, we can't help, sorry. 
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 02-02-2011 at 06:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised. They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset. If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.
It wasn't promised. 
People were complaining for weeks already because WLM was released and Plus needed to be compatible, Yuna did what Patchou used to: release a half compatible version while the next one is coded. Coincidently, the next version was basically a complete rewrite from scratch.
And they are working on it, wait. They are working for days already only solving bugs, can't you be a little considerate to them and wait for their work to be completed?

And I swear it is my last reply in this post, if you read at least a single message and didn't understand, we can't help, sorry. 

I agree with you there, just don't let them get under your skin. Seriously just laugh at all the whiners complaining about it not being released as I just find it hilarious that they moan, groan, complain, nag etc without even reading anything anyone one says let alone what the Beta testers or Programmers etc say. maybe I'm just odd like that to find the funny sides of things that most people cant see let alone find, I after all have a very odd sense of humor lol
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by aNILEator on 02-02-2011 at 10:58 AM

yeah neither plus 5 or the new website was ready in December.

Nobody wants undercooked chicken! Think of the Plus 5 experience as that chicken.... slow roasting on a low temperature yields a damn tasty roast dinner!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Taxidriver05 on 02-02-2011 at 12:25 PM

Well...

I am German and I am new to this forum. But I use Messenger Plus! for years. And I am really confident with it. It is a nice tool, that makes the usage of WLM much easier. It enabled conversation in tabs before Microsoft integrated it. The available skins are also awsome. Thumbs up to Yuna!

Okay...
I am also a little bit impatient about the release of Messenger Plus! 5.
But, as aNILEator said, software developement needs time.
Well, I think, many users are waiting about a statement, if it might be ready in the next few days or if it'll take some weeks.
So a note about that would be nice.

Greetings from Germany,


Taxidriver05


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-02-2011 at 12:28 PM

Funny comment aNILEator!

However, in your situation one would suggest you actually bought the chicken, where MsgPlusLive is free. That should give one even less reason to complain! On top of that, free things generally taste better...


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Phillip on 02-02-2011 at 12:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
Then don't respond to the people. We have a right to be upset when it has been months since it has been promised.
What exactly gives you that right?

quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
They shouldn't have released a version that only half works with it then you wouldn't have so many upset.
Why? So you could come back here a few months earlier and bitch about how the software someone has provided to you for free does not work at all?

quote:
Originally posted by aflove65
If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have made a fully functioning one that would work until they got the new stuff ready. They only have their self to blame for this.
If they wanted to avoid people being upset they should have not made anything at all. They should have not bothered with Plus and then they wouldn't have had to put up with a bunch of fucking idiots complaining over nothing.

There is no way you are 46, you act like a bloody child. It's sad that I am not at all surprised at how selfish people are acting.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by DihBKT on 02-02-2011 at 01:07 PM

Plus5! i waiting for you.. =D


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lou on 02-02-2011 at 01:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by OzFlyGuy
h and btw, it's really tacky to highlight your responses by using gigantic fonts .. would be much better you learn to manage the expectations you create.
I didn't create any expectations ;) Programming background or not, I feel you fail to grasp the situation at hand.
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
However, in your situation one would suggest you actually bought the chicken, where MsgPlusLive is free. That should give one even less reason to complain! On top of that, free things generally taste better...
(y)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by piposervisair on 02-02-2011 at 01:59 PM

If someone can leak out the 5 Beta (torrent) we would be all very happy i think. I will take the bugs for free if there are any bugs. In the first MsgPlus there where also bugs, so please put out the 5 version. I think people are walking away to other IM software.....

So if someone knows a torrent to download the 5 Beta please let me know.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-02-2011 at 02:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
So if someone knows a torrent to download the 5 Beta please let me know.
Doesn't exist and won't exist. The beta testers group has been loyal to Patchou for years that is why we are testers in the first place.

Just be patient and wait.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Utopian on 02-02-2011 at 02:17 PM

its taking forever

Jan is OVER :(


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Emanueljoab on 02-02-2011 at 02:28 PM

So do you guys have a new targeted realease date?


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-02-2011 at 02:31 PM

WE DON'T HAVE A RELEASE DATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People need to read!


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hous3Fr3ak on 02-02-2011 at 02:38 PM

who can read a clear advantage!


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-02-2011 at 02:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
If someone can leak out the 5 Beta (torrent) we would be all very happy i think. I will take the bugs for free...

I'm very happy to inform you that the entire program is completely free! :D

What can we expect from a free service like that? ^o)
I'll tell you! Continuous updates and improvements for years to come, as the developers have been doing so far, completely free of charge! :o)

But.. how can a service like that exist?? *-)
I'll tell you! The MsgPlusLive developers are genuinely nice people who put a lot of their very own free time into the project, for your benefit! :o

:| I know I know.. I bet you're as stunned as I was when I first found out about MsgPlusLive!

Ofcourse, we would like to help such an awesome project and the people behind it!

(Y), but what can we do?
I'll tell you! The developers don't require anything from you but a smile when you're using your favorite messenger, however there are things we can do to help!
First of all we can give our thanks, suggestions and bug reports in the designated parts of this forum. :)

If you want to do more, check out this part of the msgpluslive website:
http://www.msgpluslive.net/more/?lang=en

Thank you for being part of the community!! (H)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-02-2011 at 02:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
If someone can leak out the 5 Beta (torrent) we would be all very happy i think.
So if someone knows a torrent to download the 5 Beta please let me know.
Nobody will do that....

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
I will take the bugs for free if there are any bugs.
You might, but others might not and complain too...

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It will be ready when it is ready.
There are NO fixed release dates, only estimations.
Complaining about it is NOT going to change anything at all!

Just chill and wait a couple of days...

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[AND NOW IT IS TIME FOR MY RANT]

Look, it is hilarious how one person complains that Plus! hasn't been released yet, flaming Yuna, getting all upset and what not and then the next one says he agrees with that but then continues saying that "They should have made a compatible version first"...

Do some of you actually read what has been said before or even read what you post yourself?

I mean quote: "making a compatible version for WLM 2011 first before making Plus! compatible with WLM 2011" ? I mean come on... can't you spot the big flaw in that logic?

Also, when people experience a bug they complain and bitch about it too.

And what most of you forget is de context in which those previous targetted goals were set. The first one being delayed because Microsoft suddenly release WLM2011 _before_ schedule. And thus, per your 'demands', Yuna made a version partially compatible with it. They could NOT make it fully compatible because that is exactly what Plus!5 will be, that's the whole point of it... and that takes time to make... because unfortunatly, they still don't have an army of fairies doing all the hard number crunching for them overnight
(if someone has such an army then please do inform us - and sometimes I get the impression that some people here do have an army like that, judging from their complaints eg: "It can't be that hard", or "it's taking too long, it is rediculus", etc....).

And as for the second delay of 'end of january'... Well seriously, it's only february 2nd, FEB 2ND!!! That's two days _after_ the end of January fyi. Is it that a big disaster that it hasn't been released yet?! Seriously? If it were two weeks I could understand, but 2 freaking days?! In fact, people started to complain and bitch when January wasn't even over yet. In fact, people were already complaining half January!! :rolleyes:

Third, all 'dates' are TARGETTED dates. This means nothing is set in stone, they are just 'goals to reach', nothing more. Heck, even if a real fixed date was given there could (and probably will) still be delays!

And why do you think they gave you dates in the first place? Because people complained about not knowing when it would be released. So they gave you their best _estimation_. And yes, in retrospect, the first one might not have been realistic, but at that moment in time it was the best they could offer. And if they would have set March/April 2011 or whatever, I can bet on the grave of whoever is dear to me that you all would complain too.

People complain when there aren't dates set.
People complain when there are dates set.
People complain when the software is delayed because last-minute fixes.
People complain when the software is released with bugs
Etc...
Do I need to go on?

Seriously, be patient like everyone else...

Go outside for a day or two, drink some coffee (or maybe better not :p), eat some icecream or whatever. And then come back a few days later or so. Just chill...

And when you're back Plus!5 will be waiting and ready for you...
And then you can start complaining about features which don't work or weren't included yet... because guess what... there wasn't time to finish them

[/RANT]

RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-02-2011 at 02:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised


And when you're back Plus!5 will be waiting and ready for you...

Is that a promise? :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Mauron on 02-02-2011 at 03:01 PM

/facepalm


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-02-2011 at 03:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised


And when you're back Plus!5 will be waiting and ready for you...

Is that a promise? :P
Depends on what you're planning to do outside :p
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by botpet on 02-02-2011 at 05:23 PM

I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] :D ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Taxidriver05 on 02-02-2011 at 05:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by botpet
I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] :D ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.

a nice proposal... ;)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-02-2011 at 05:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Taxidriver05
quote:
Originally posted by botpet
I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] :D ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.
a nice proposal... ;)
Which wouldn't have worked for this version in the way you think it would have because of various reasons I'm not going into atm.

Just that for each existing public beta of a software there has always been, and always will be, a private beta testing phase too. And that is exactly what is been done now. Simply consider this entire time as that private beta testing phase before a public beta testing phase if you will... So the entire reason for your argument ("so the public can get their hands on it") is mute since the public will get their hands on it soonish and they can go bug hunting and reporting bugs all they want soonish...

The only difference will be the lack of the label 'beta', but that is all, just a 4-letter word in the AboutBox would be all the difference between what is happening now and what you prupose...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-02-2011 at 06:27 PM

YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET YOUR HANDS ON A RELEASE FROM THE PRIVATE BETA; SO STOP ASKING!

YOU AREN'T GOING TO BECOME A PART OF THE BETA TEAM.


We don't know anything more than you do. Kimahri Software imforms Nathalie (from Yuna Software a date), she then informs the community.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by botpet on 02-02-2011 at 06:38 PM

Hm :)
I didnt ask for any actual private beta versions. My Suggestion is about the future. Before final version (that may be ready in months, since no sure date for release) there could be released a specialy prepared public version. But I am not in the team, and i don't know more details, so my opinion is just an outstander's opinion :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Matti on 02-02-2011 at 06:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by botpet
I think this team doesn't have enought beta testers. There should be PUBLIC Beta versions, and this way more bugs could be revealed. And people may be less upset and could try the beta version, and if they are not satisfied can switch back to 4.9 ("fully compatible version" - fully compatible Plus! button [it does nothing] :D ). Forum also have Bug report section, anyone could write about the bugs there, and maybe the final "bug-free" version could come out earlier.
Sure, why don't developers just throw their creations straight at the public so the whole world can help testing it? Unfortunately, things don't work that way. :^)

First of all, there are very good reasons to go through a private testing stage first. When a new build is compiled, it could contain massive bugs which may potentially affect a lot of users and may even result in a loss of data. (Cookie can testify this. Poor Cookie.) If such a build would be released to the public, it could harm thousands of computers and destroy the reputation of the program forever.

Also, most of the users won't test the program properly. They'll just run with it, use it like they're used to and don't care about the features they don't use - potentially missing a bug. If they would find a problem, they probably won't even go to the forums to report it but go complain somewhere else which makes it impossible to track the issues. If they'd manage to find these forums and create a thread, it's very likely that their report will be very vague and doesn't provide much interesting details such as system information or step-by-step instructions on how to reproduce the problem. I'm not saying that every user is like this, I'm talking about the "average" user here. Private beta testers not only make detailed bug reports, they also go through the whole features set trying out every possible combination and pushing the software to its limits. Heck, they'd even mess with their files and registry if they had to and see how the program reacts. A very rare breed indeed. :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Dragunov on 02-02-2011 at 06:57 PM

No hurry.

I know how much testing is required for a product.

In the past I did some betatests myself (especially games, official ones and mods).

I guess some people just see the beautiness of it, just to have new stuff in their hands.

But testing requires alot of patience, time and goodwill...

So go ahead and make us proud ;)


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by botpet on 02-02-2011 at 07:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Matti

Sure, why don't developers just throw their creations straight at the public so the whole world can help testing it? Unfortunately, things don't work that way. :^)
I have examples where it is working:
http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=161942
And a tutorial like this can help a lot.
The beta version just should not be put out on the main page.
quote:
Originally posted by Matti

First of all, there are very good reasons to go through a private testing stage first. When a new build is compiled, it could contain massive bugs which may potentially affect a lot of users and may even result in a loss of data. (Cookie can testify this. Poor Cookie.) If such a build would be released to the public, it could harm thousands of computers and destroy the reputation of the program forever.
This is absolutly true, that's why alpha versions are on private testing. But near-end versions IMO contains less bugs. (@Cookie: sorry about the accident.) And if you put a "Beta section" into the forum, like this: http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showforum=20, only those people will find it, who want.
quote:
Originally posted by Matti

Also, most of the users won't test the program properly. They'll just run with it, use it like they're used to and don't care about the features they don't use - potentially missing a bug. If they would find a problem, they probably won't even go to the forums to report it but go complain somewhere else which makes it impossible to track the issues. If they'd manage to find these forums and create a thread, it's very likely that their report will be very vague and doesn't provide much interesting details such as system information or step-by-step instructions on how to reproduce the problem. I'm not saying that every user is like this, I'm talking about the "average" user here. Private beta testers not only make detailed bug reports, they also go through the whole features set trying out every possible combination and pushing the software to its limits. Heck, they'd even mess with their files and registry if they had to and see how the program reacts. A very rare breed indeed. :P
You are right in some cases, but:
1. Who said public testers should test every part of the program? :) They test what they use, and this way maybe an order could be written about bugs, more and less important ones.
2. I am not sure if the few beta testers can test in every environments and every cases. More tersters, more stable final version.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-02-2011 at 07:18 PM

I think the people who create free software should do things the way they want to do it and we should sit with our hands open and wait till something good falls into them :P


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by piposervisair on 02-02-2011 at 08:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matty
YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET YOUR HANDS ON A RELEASE FROM THE PRIVATE BETA; SO STOP ASKING!

YOU AREN'T GOING TO BECOME A PART OF THE BETA TEAM.


We don't know anything more than you do. Kimahri Software imforms Nathalie (from Yuna Software a date), she then informs the community.

If a person TALKS WITH BIG LETTERS THAT MEANS THEY SHOUT TO PEOPLE so stop souting to people. When a small group of Beta tester are here, that looks like a Sect like the people at Wako!!!!!! Make a public beta, like Mozilla is doing (Mozilla is ALSO for free) Im a beta tester for Mozilla for years now, and they love to release Public, because they get a lot of bugs reports.

OPEN SOURCE IS THE WORD I WILL USE HERE......

But i see what it is here.........

p.s. to all people if i find any torrent i will post it here :D


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by magicfly on 02-02-2011 at 08:31 PM

calm people...we're talking (or shouting) for just a program...nothing to do with real life.

i think we can live also without msnn plus 5, until it will be out...

sometimes cyber life is worse than real one... :(


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-02-2011 at 08:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
If a person TALKS WITH BIG LETTERS THAT MEANS THEY SHOUT TO PEOPLE so stop souting to people. When a small group of Beta tester are here, that looks like a Sect like the people at Wako!!!!!! Make a public beta, like Mozilla is doing (Mozilla is ALSO for free) Im a beta tester for Mozilla for years now, and they love to release Public, because they get a lot of bugs reports.
No shit. Reason I did it? I was shouting. People need to give it up and stop requesting the software. You will get it when it's ready and it isn't ready yet. We as beta testers are still reporting bugs.

Yuna/Kimahri != Mozilla... Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No. (And if they release anything publicly it isn't going to be their main source of revenue.)
quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
OPEN SOURCE IS THE WORD I WILL USE HERE......
And Messenger Plus! is not open source. Using this as a basis for your argument is ludacris. Messenger Plus! was and never will be open source.
quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
p.s. to all people if i find any torrent i will post it here :D
Good luck trying, it won't exist. And if you do post it here you can consider yourself banned.
RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by botpet on 02-02-2011 at 08:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair

p.s. to all people if i find any torrent i will post it here :D

I bet you won't find! :)
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by zxcymn on 02-02-2011 at 08:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matty
Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.
Yes.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-02-2011 at 09:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by zxcymn
quote:
Originally posted by matty
Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.
Yes.
Care to name a few or one? And notice I said Operating Systems.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by coolzee on 02-02-2011 at 09:01 PM

Instead of replying to impatient users, close this thread. :P


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 02-02-2011 at 09:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matty
quote:
Originally posted by zxcymn
quote:
Originally posted by matty
Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.
Yes.
Care to name a few or one? And notice I said Operating Systems.

Windows 7
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-02-2011 at 09:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
quote:
Originally posted by matty
quote:
Originally posted by zxcymn
quote:
Originally posted by matty
Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.
Yes.
Care to name a few or one? And notice I said Operating Systems.
Windows 7
Only AFTER months/years of PRIVATE beta testing!

Windows 7 was being developped even before Vista was officially released in public (ps: yes, they are now already working on the successor of Windows 7)
quote:
Originally posted by coolzee
Instead of replying to impatient users, close this thread. :P
Then they just create a new one.... At least now the stuff is 'centralized'...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by botpet on 02-02-2011 at 09:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only AFTER months/years of PRIVATE beta testing!
Windows 7 was being developped even before Vista was officially released in public (ps: yes, they are now already working on the successor of Windows 7)
I think MsgPlus! 5 is ALSO private tested since months! :P :$
RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by pollolibredegrasa on 02-02-2011 at 09:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
If a person TALKS WITH BIG LETTERS THAT MEANS THEY SHOUT TO PEOPLE so stop souting to people.

If people got it into their thick skulls that the software isn't ready yet and stopped repeatedly asking about it then there would be no need for people to shout. Having to repeat the same thing many times is just as frustrating to people as you having to wait a little longer for the software.

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
Make a public beta, like Mozilla is doing (Mozilla is ALSO for free) <snip> and they love to release Public, because they get a lot of bugs reports.

Mozilla products have a somewhat different target audience to Messenger and it's addons. Sure there may be some overlap, but the average Messenger user is far less likely to be able to submit coherent bug reports, if they even bother in the first place. Even so, it's probably safe to assume that the majority of Mozilla users don't report bugs, and with over 350 million users, of course they're going to get a lot more feedback anyway.

quote:
Originally posted by piposervisair
p.s. to all people if i find any torrent i will post it here :D
And it would be removed immediately anyway, so pretty pointless.

quote:
Originally posted by zxcymn
quote:
Originally posted by matty
Does Microsoft release public betas of their operating systems? No.
Yes.
Again, the average Messenger user won't be interested in beta testing something like an operating system anyway. It's a completely different target audience and thus a totally invalid comparison.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 02-02-2011 at 09:37 PM

Windows 7 was still publicly beta tested even if it was months longer in private lol


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-02-2011 at 09:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by botpet
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only AFTER months/years of PRIVATE beta testing!
Windows 7 was being developped even before Vista was officially released in public (ps: yes, they are now already working on the successor of Windows 7)
I think MsgPlus! 5 is ALSO private tested since months! :P :$
Just a bit longer than 1 month actually. But so? What's your point then? ^o)

see my previous post for more as I'm not going to repeat myself.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by botpet on 02-02-2011 at 09:52 PM

Ok, NVM.
Suggestion: with future versions NEVER give out targeted release dates. Simply say: "it will be out when it is ready". You can avoid only this way these posts.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-02-2011 at 09:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by botpet
Ok, NVM.
Suggestion: with future versions NEVER give out targeted release dates. Simply say: "it will be out when it is ready". You can avoid only this way these posts.

I don't know how you see "Target release date" but there has no been specific date. The homepage says word for word:

General release anticipated at the end of January, 2011

Which is more or less a response to too many questions at the time anyway. :P

Anyway, these kind of posts are at forums and chat-boxes of any software in these types of situations.



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RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-02-2011 at 10:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by botpet
Suggestion: with future versions NEVER give out targeted release dates. Simply say: "it will be out when it is ready". You can avoid only this way these posts.
Yes, but then a same shitload of people will start complaining (and demanding) about having a release date _and_ starting to speculate about "They have forsaken us", "They don't care about us", "It is all fake, Plus! has died", etc... It is just the same thing in the end. ;)


EDIT: Arcticwolfx, quote fixed, sorry about that.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by haishama on 02-02-2011 at 10:13 PM

just let it out already its already February


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by JoaoVr on 02-02-2011 at 10:14 PM

Things like this happens all the time, there is no way to predict bugs that they will find.

On a next time Yuna should take another approach, without saying a release date,  they could twitt/tease us with msgplus updates (just to let us know they aren't dead)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by botpet on 02-02-2011 at 10:20 PM

Ok, but if the development team says "we are working on it, it will be out in the first quartier of 2011"... :D
Summary: I had an idea about public testing period, but since I am not in the developement team, I can't say more. I just tried to find a solution that is good for both "side". I understand the developement team's problem (if they have :D ) and the user-side's too.
Btw I am patient, thats much better if we have a stable and "bug-free" version 2 months later than having a version now with crashes and bugs and so on.
So keep up the good work, MsgPlus is so far the best messenger plug-in.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-02-2011 at 10:28 PM

CookieRevised, you quoted the wrong person! Well, perhaps not, however what is dictated in your quote is not what I originally stated.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Matti on 02-02-2011 at 10:35 PM

See, these are the replies which we'd rather not see:

quote:
Originally posted by haishama
just let it out already its already February
These are the kind of people who fail to understand what a "target" means, who think that using a beta version is like playing a demo version of an upcoming game and who drive the developers crazy.

Heck, you wouldn't expect that your five course menu in a chique restaurant would be ready thirty seconds after you ordered it. Not only will you get a quality product, you'll also get it absolutely free. All we ask is to be patient. What are you still complaining about then?

For those who do understand though, thanks for your support. :)

Summary:
The release was targeted for the end of January, no exact release date was ever given so you can't say that the new Plus! is late. Development is still ongoing with bugs being reported and fixed. Don't expect a public beta or a rushed public release as we care about quality (and so should you).
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lievense on 02-03-2011 at 12:38 AM

Don't expect from users to make a diff between target date and release date, that's wishfull thinking....
I understand why people like to get a new release off Messenger Plus! Live, the current version doesn't work with WLM 2011.

Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by crosswired on 02-03-2011 at 12:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Matti

Development is still ongoing with bugs being reported and fixed.

See, now something even that simple as a statement on the front page probably would have saved the Forum-Goers a lot of headaches, lol.

Anyhow I signed up pretty much for that point. And thank you Yuna / Patchou (I think that's how it's spelled, right?) for working your butts off to devlop the next installment of one of the best programs I've ever used (and for free to boot.)

Edit:

quote:
Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?

The old one would never have worked as-is with the new messenger, thus the rebuild.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-03-2011 at 12:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Lievense
Don't expect from users to make a diff between target date and release date, that's wishfull thinking....
I understand why people like to get a new release off Messenger Plus! Live, the current version doesn't work with WLM 2011.

Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?
yeah, so they can pile on the  Plus toolbars to pay for it :refuck:
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by crosswired on 02-03-2011 at 12:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Alias
quote:
Originally posted by Lievense
Don't expect from users to make a diff between target date and release date, that's wishfull thinking....
I understand why people like to get a new release off Messenger Plus! Live, the current version doesn't work with WLM 2011.

Is there a reason why a fully new version is developed, and the old one is not upgraded?
yeah, so they can pile on the  Plus toolbars to pay for it :refuck:


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RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lievense on 02-03-2011 at 01:01 AM

Does this mean WLM 2011 is fully rebuilded... Can't believe  this. They might have migrated there platform and added functionality but couldn't Yuna do the same and then upgrade ?

If I have to pay for (Yeah, all my sw is licenced) proper and ontime updates I would do this. Always better then the current situation.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-03-2011 at 01:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Lievense
Does this mean WLM 2011 is fully rebuilded... Can't believe  this. They might have migrated there platform and added functionality but couldn't Yuna do the same and then upgrade ?

If I have to pay for (Yeah, all my sw is licenced) proper and ontime updates I would do this. Always better then the current situation
Microsoft dont own Facebook, it was integrated into WLM, ICQ has FB integ, Yahoo has FB integ, AIM has FB integ
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by crosswired on 02-03-2011 at 01:06 AM

Even paid software hits snags and has delays.

But this comic (albeit making fun of situations like these) kinda hits the nail on the head.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lievense on 02-03-2011 at 01:12 AM

That doesn't explain to me why Yuna can't upgrade / rebuild old functionality, quickly.
Facebook integration is added / new functionality and should be a show stopper.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-03-2011 at 01:13 AM

[Image: 20110123.gif]


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 01:20 AM

Hah.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lou on 02-03-2011 at 01:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Lievense
That doesn't explain to me why Yuna can't upgrade / rebuild old functionality, quickly.
Facebook integration is added / new functionality and should be a show stopper.
That is completely different. Facebook is running on itself. They also don't rebuild it randomly from scratch. Also, this is not a show stopper at all. It's not even delayed.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lievense on 02-03-2011 at 01:36 AM

The show stopper was a type, sorry. I meant it shouldn't be one.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-03-2011 at 01:37 AM

dont argue with Lou,


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lou on 02-03-2011 at 01:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Lievense
The show stopper was a type, sorry. I meant it shouldn't be one.
The rest of my comment absolutely still stands. Facebook can definitely not be compared to Messenger Plus!. At all.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-03-2011 at 01:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Lou
Messenger Plus! Live
correction, its now called Messenger Plus , No Live in it
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Chrissy on 02-03-2011 at 01:45 AM

Should be out soon people..

Think they're having problems getting the Virus to work with the Sponsor Program! :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-03-2011 at 02:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by crosswired
quote:
Originally posted by Matti

Development is still ongoing with bugs being reported and fixed.
See, now something even that simple as a statement on the front page probably would have saved the Forum-Goers a lot of headaches, lol.
We are constantly repeating what Matti just said, every 3 to 5 posts in these kind of threads!!

The problem is not that it isn't possible to know for people what is going on, the problem is that people simply wont read what is being said and instead spam with "where is Plus!" all the time.

If people would simply read, we wouldn't have headaches and this many pages of repeated posts like Matti's in this thread to begin with.

quote:
Originally posted by Lievense
Does this mean WLM 2011 is fully rebuilded... Can't believe  this. They might have migrated there platform and added functionality but couldn't Yuna do the same and then upgrade ?
It doesn't matter if WLM 2011 was fully rebuild or not, one doesn't have anything to do with the other regarding this.

The point is that Plus! is fully rebuild because 1) there were too many things which needed to change to be compatible 2) New stuff was difficult to add to the old platform without getting messy. And 3) since WLM got a complete new interface, it was only right for Plus! to follow.

And not only that, there is also a fully rebuild website and forum comming.

And as a matter of fact, yes, WLM 2011 is in fact fully rebuild! Hence why it is only available for Vista or higher.

quote:
Originally posted by Lievense
That doesn't explain to me why Yuna can't upgrade / rebuild old functionality, quickly.
Facebook integration is added / new functionality and should be a show stopper.
As said before, Facebook can not be compared, not even in the slightest way, with software like Messenger Plus!. That is like comparing the eating habits of birds with how a car is being manufactured (aka: completely and utterly unrelated in any way).

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-03-2011 at 02:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
Should be out soon people..

Think they're having problems getting the Virus to work with the Sponsor Program! :)

love ya Chrissy, keep it up
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Bad0or on 02-03-2011 at 04:43 AM

Hi Plus! team members and programmers..
first of all excuse me for my English grammar, anyhow i have just registered cuz i saw some foolish people whining and blaming you all for the delay, and i wanted to tell you that from the first moment of upgrading WLM 2011 i simply said (This is a whole new platform and i bet there will be no plus! release for it for now, and it will take too much time to get a new release) and i went here and i was right.. im no programmer or anything but i understand how it is difficult on you people, i was and all of us was a huge fan of u people getting amazing stuff on our messenger, people should put their selves in your shoes and imagine how hard work it is for building a whole new platform that is compatible with the new official messenger which i see that its so hard to do cuz everything in the WLM 2011 is completely different..
people should be patient and really thankful, i mean Really thankful for you guys and stop being rude and acting like fools with no manners, i enter this site and forum everyday just hoping that the new release comes out and i am in no surprise of the delay. thank you all for the hard work you really are something, and just ignore fool people getting around telling you to release it already.

excuse me for my excitement about the new release when i ask this question but can you give us an estimated time or date? just tell people that it will be released between two dates if it was soon, it will make me happy and relaxed and also makes idiots shut up :) lol

wow i wrote too much hehe
ok keep it up we are waiting

Bader from Bahrain,,,


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Nathalie on 02-03-2011 at 10:33 AM

Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.



RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Kassh on 02-03-2011 at 10:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.




hell, it's about time.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 02-03-2011 at 10:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.
Great news :D
Thanks for the update Nathalie.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by thunde12 on 02-03-2011 at 11:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.




Great New..^_^..thx for your Update information Nathalie..^_^
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by magicfly on 02-03-2011 at 11:40 AM

ol!!!! :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Nathalie on 02-03-2011 at 12:12 PM

By days, I mean working days, so start counting on Monday:-)


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 12:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
By days, I mean working days, so start counting on Monday:-)

It's official everyone! Nathalie promised a release next week! Start spamming on Monday!

[/sarcasm]
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by fiftytwo on 02-03-2011 at 12:48 PM

http://www.msgplus5.com/


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 12:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by fiftytwo
http://www.msgplus5.com/

Why do I feel like this is a fake site that a mod should delete real soon? :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Menthix on 02-03-2011 at 12:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Start spamming on Monday!
Yes, because annoying the forum admins and mods who have absolutely not control over when Plus! 5.0 releases will surely help :s. Forum team is in the same situation as the rest of us.

quote:
Originally posted by fiftytwo
http://www.msgplus5.com/
That still serves Plus! 4.90, same build as on http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-03-2011 at 01:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by fiftytwo
http://www.msgplus5.com/

Why do I feel like this is a fake site that a mod should delete real soon? :P
The site is as legit as it gets...

Jieff's reply to Messenger Plus! 5 information
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 02:05 PM

Really? I can't find any information about it on the forums. Is it the new community site? I can imagine so, otherwise I don't know why it would advertise Plus! v5 :P

Personally I've been using http://www.msgpluslive.net/ since... a lot of years ago, I would consider that to be the only official homepage.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Lou on 02-03-2011 at 02:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Really? I can't find any information about it on the forums. Is it the new community site? I can imagine so, otherwise I don't know why it would advertise Plus! v5 :P

Personally I've been using http://www.msgpluslive.net/ since... a lot of years ago, I would consider that to be the only official homepage.
It is.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 02:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Lou
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Really? I can't find any information about it on the forums. Is it the new community site? I can imagine so, otherwise I don't know why it would advertise Plus! v5 :P

Personally I've been using http://www.msgpluslive.net/ since... a lot of years ago, I would consider that to be the only official homepage.
It is.

Well.. That doesn't make it any more clear, but thanks. :P
It's all right, I don't mind, I can find my copy of the software when it's out and ready.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-03-2011 at 02:48 PM

http://msgplus5.com was the test site for the new website. Eventually it and http://msgpluslive.net will redirect to http://msgplus.net if I am not mistaken. The "Live" tag is being dropped therefore they won't be using http://msgpluslive.net any longer. Once Messenger Plus! 5 goes live the new site will replace the current one.

Obviously all speculation but I have a pretty good idea of what is going on :P.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 02:51 PM

Ah, there we go. My bad! Normally I would instantly mistrust a site that advertises software versions that aren't supposed to be out yet.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Nathalie on 02-03-2011 at 03:34 PM

The official domain address for Messenger Plus! is  www.msgplus.net 

This will continue to be the official address after the release of Plus! 5.

Currently it points to the Messenger Plus! Live site.   Many of the other addresses discussed in the forum are/were for testing purposes only.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by m4th5 on 02-03-2011 at 04:01 PM

Yes, and where actually is it? It is now the 3rd of February and it has not yet been released. I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. You could have at least told us that there's a delay.


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Thor on 02-03-2011 at 04:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by m4th5
Yes, and where actually is it? It is now the 3rd of February and it has not yet been released. I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. You could have at least told us that there's a delay.
I'm sure your disappointment is going to rocket this release forward. :dodgy:

It's a constant work in progress, being a special project as well. It needs its fine tuning.

Quality over quantity.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by vovin on 02-03-2011 at 04:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by m4th5
Yes, and where actually is it? It is now the 3rd of February and it has not yet been released. I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. You could have at least told us that there's a delay.

exactly can anyone say whats de delay???? im realy interest in the msn plus 5...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-03-2011 at 04:13 PM

There were more bugs found then the development team had time to fix. Network infrastructure issues. Patchou is no longer the only developer so he has to train and mentor the new developers; plus they have to learn the code.

The list could go on and on.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by vovin on 02-03-2011 at 04:31 PM

thx for the reply


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Frackounet on 02-03-2011 at 06:47 PM

They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's (N)


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Frackounet
They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's (N)

What buddy icons exactly are you referring to? Furthermore, que est-ce que tu n'aime pas avec les buddy icons?
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-03-2011 at 07:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by Frackounet
They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's (N)

What buddy icons exactly are you referring to? Furthermore, que est-ce que tu n'aime pas avec les buddy icons?
He's referring to early Windows Live Messenger "buddies", those green icons that represented each buddy in your contact list and indicated the status.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 07:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by Frackounet
They will still use old buddy icons? If yes,  that's (N)

What buddy icons exactly are you referring to? Furthermore, que est-ce que tu n'aime pas avec les buddy icons?
He's referring to early Windows Live Messenger "buddies", those green icons that represented each buddy in your contact list and indicated the status.

I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then. :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-03-2011 at 07:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then
But they are indeed using it in the screenshots ;)
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 07:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then
But they are indeed using it in the screenshots ;)
Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-03-2011 at 07:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then
But they are indeed using it in the screenshots ;)
Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..
It uses the old icons; guaranteed.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 07:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matty
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then
But they are indeed using it in the screenshots ;)
Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..
It uses the old icons; guaranteed.

Well, I'm confused. I guess I'll let this one slide. Hope a custom skin can fix the issue for Mr. Frackounet in the future if necessary!
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-03-2011 at 08:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Well, I'm confused. I guess I'll let this one slide. Hope a custom skin can fix the issue for Mr. Frackounet in the future if necessary!
If things continue like in The current version, Bet it will be possible :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by devxon on 02-03-2011 at 08:08 PM

I can't see the icons do you mean, can you post a screenshot to see the icons you're talking about?

Thank you :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-03-2011 at 08:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by devxon
I can't see the icons do you mean, can you post a screenshot to see the icons you're talking about?

Thank you :P
Under "many great features", for example
[Image: 5303498196_2c6119f79a.jpg]
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-03-2011 at 08:17 PM

Well that's just because it's the Windows Live Messenger logo, not status icons. :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by devxon on 02-03-2011 at 08:20 PM

thank you blessedguy :)

PD: Do you mean that icons or the status icons? as said Arcticwolfx


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by blessedguy on 02-03-2011 at 08:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Well that's just because it's the Windows Live Messenger logo, not status icons. :P
quote:
Originally posted by devxon
thank you blessedguy :)

PD: Do you mean that icons or the status icons? as said Arcticwolfx
They have their "status" versions, look at Desktop Contacts, for example.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-04-2011 at 12:19 AM

perhaps someone at Yuna should update this http://www.msgplus5.com/News


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by codeone on 02-04-2011 at 01:27 AM

We all like Messenger Plus!, but we don't like to wait for an announced date to find nothing.

I believe MSGPLUS! team need to change their way of pointing important dates and use the exact way used by others. For example, announce that a new version will be out in 2011 Q1 or somewhere between 2010Q4 and 2011Q1, and then, announce that it'll be out in few days when you feel that it's almost done. Finally, when you feel that Plus! is ready announce a launch date.

I know people may feel bad because they have to wait longer time, but they'll absolutely not wait for 2 months then become disappointed.

I appreciate your efforts
I just wanted to post my suggestion here

(Y)

thanks for your time
:)


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Utopian on 02-04-2011 at 01:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.




Thank you (Y)
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by delirium18 on 02-04-2011 at 07:19 AM

This is what it wants to be a scam ? (N)

[Image: 00.JPG]


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CheekyGirl on 02-04-2011 at 07:19 AM

Can't wait for msn plus 5 to be out. Because I've installed msn plus 4.9 and it doesn't even work^o) What's up with that?? It just tells me under the Plus tab that the software isn't loaded.. And this is with msn 2011. Can anyone help me here please??..
Thanks :)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-04-2011 at 07:44 AM

will my nickname ALIAS be carried over to the new forum?

if not why not? i have searched myh previous nickname on the members area on msgplus5.com an it only shows ICQ which i dont wanna use


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-04-2011 at 07:48 AM

Will pigs fly in Plus! v5? :(


@delirium18 As far as I can tell so far, it's supposedly a test site you're not really supposed to see yet. The new version should be out in a few days and then you can find real download links on any of the official Messenger Plus! sites.

@CheekyGirl Did you disable safe mode?

@Alias You might need to use an Alias. [/cheapshot]


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 02-04-2011 at 08:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Alias
will my nickname ALIAS be carried over to the new forum?

if not why not? i have searched myh previous nickname on the members area on msgplus5.com an it only shows ICQ which i dont wanna use
it looks like (for testing purposes) they copied an old back up of the forum data to the test website/forums.
i have full confidence that the data on the official release will be fully up to date.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-04-2011 at 10:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by Alias
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
Now people will start asking about where to get the beta :P
you could find someone that could hack the beta forum for yyou to get it :p
Assuming it's uploaded on it or linked to. In which case one might try to query and download every file on the servers... perhaps we shouldn't discuss this here. (6)
lol, good luck with that 'hacking', considering there is no special new 'beta forum' or something to get it...
Beta testers communicate in the same wat they always have, using the testers section on this forum. And no, the beta itself has never been posted or linked to in there.

quote:
Originally posted by codeone
We all like Messenger Plus!, but we don't like to wait for an announced date to find nothing.
...
wait for 2 months then become disappointed.

There has NEVER been an announced date!

How many times does this needs to be said? The given ETA's where just that ETA's, they are not fixed release dates, they are estimations and time frames... nothing more.

The last one ("end of january") stil applies, although it is now mor like "beginning of februari" if you will. The thing is that "end of januari" does not mean it will be released before or on Feb 1st at midnight. "end of januari" is a timeframe which could mean anywhere between half januari up to half februari.

But the suggestion of using quarters of years is a good one though. Nevertheless, even with that, people will still complain and demand a fixed release date. Especially when there are (always to be) expected delays. It's just the nature of things.

quote:
Originally posted by delirium18
This is what it wants to be a scam ? (N)
The new site is not officially released yet. What you refer to is a test site. It is not meant as the main site at this point.
The main site is still www.msgpluslive.net

(which was also explained before)

quote:
Originally posted by CheekyGirl
I've installed msn plus 4.9 and it doesn't even work^o) What's up with that?? It just tells me under the Plus tab that the software isn't loaded.. And this is with msn 2011. Can anyone help me here please??
Please read Plus 4.9 on WLM 2011. Which features work and which ones don't

quote:
Originally posted by Alias
will my nickname ALIAS be carried over to the new forum?
if not why not? i have searched myh previous nickname on the members area on msgplus5.com an it only shows ICQ which i dont wanna use
Yes it will, again as explained to delirium18 and as already said before in this thread and in other places you frequent (aka shoutbox), the site you are referring to is an outdated test site, not meant to be used at this moment.



EDIT:
quote:
Originally posted by Zoidy
Cookie you must just love doing such big replies :P
If I would split them up I would already have like 50000 posts :p

RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Frackounet on 02-04-2011 at 03:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by matty
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then
But they are indeed using it in the screenshots ;)
Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..
It uses the old icons; guaranteed.

Well, I'm confused. I guess I'll let this one slide. Hope a custom skin can fix the issue for Mr. Frackounet in the future if necessary!

Lol, i already did my own msg plus! live skin for msg plus! live 4.xx itself, because icons don't match with wlm 2009 but if it's a version 5 for wlm 2011, they should change those icons.

[Image: msgpluslive_patch.png]
RE: RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-04-2011 at 04:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Frackounet
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by matty
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
I don't remember that in "Live" Messenger at all.. I figured he would be talking about the default icon in the notification area or something like that. Suppose he has nothing to worry about then
But they are indeed using it in the screenshots ;)
Huh? Where! I only see them in the screenshots of the event logs..
It uses the old icons; guaranteed.

Well, I'm confused. I guess I'll let this one slide. Hope a custom skin can fix the issue for Mr. Frackounet in the future if necessary!

Lol, i already did my own msg plus! live skin for msg plus! live 4.xx itself, because icons don't match with wlm 2009 but if it's a version 5 for wlm 2011, they should change those icons.

[Image: msgpluslive_patch.png]

I still don't know what icons are bothering you so much. :p
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tomtom95 on 02-04-2011 at 04:51 PM

lol'd there are already wlm 2011 skins xD http://www.msgplus5.com/Downloads/Skins



i was wondering why you actually put in the effort to reply to all those complains... it's useless anyway 'cause you're not reaching much with answering to those. but keep up the good work and hope plus 5 will be out soon :D


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-04-2011 at 05:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by tomtom95
lol'd there are already wlm 2011 skins xD http://www.msgplus5.com/Downloads/Skins



i was wondering why you actually put in the effort to reply to all those complains... it's useless anyway 'cause you're not reaching much with answering to those. but keep up the good work and hope plus 5 will be out soon :D

I answer them cause I'm a smarty pants. Either way; those skins seem to be designed for Messenger Plus! v4.9 when used with Live Messenger 2011.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Spunky on 02-04-2011 at 06:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Arcticwolfx
quote:
Originally posted by tomtom95
lol'd there are already wlm 2011 skins xD http://www.msgplus5.com/Downloads/Skins



i was wondering why you actually put in the effort to reply to all those complains... it's useless anyway 'cause you're not reaching much with answering to those. but keep up the good work and hope plus 5 will be out soon :D

I answer them cause I'm a smarty pants. Either way; those skins seem to be designed for Messenger Plus! v4.9 when used with Live Messenger 2011.

Should still work when 5 comes out, except if any of them skin Plus' own windows as they will have all changed
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by theboss on 02-04-2011 at 07:20 PM

hey i just want to ask about the time you will release the new version of messenger plus ??
:)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-04-2011 at 07:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by theboss
hey i just want to ask about the time you will release the new version of messenger plus ??
:)
Please read...
quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.
quote:
Originally posted by Nathalie
By days, I mean working days, so start counting on Monday:-)

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by DihBKT on 02-04-2011 at 07:41 PM

Forecast of when will release?

waiting..

ZzzzZzzzzzzzZz


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tomtom95 on 02-04-2011 at 08:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DihBKT
Forecast of when will release?

waiting..

ZzzzZzzzzzzzZz

if you had started paying atention to all that has been said here, i didn't have to tell you THAT THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANOTHER RELEASE TARGET DATE
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tomtom95 on 02-04-2011 at 08:39 PM

thanx for the info ^^


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Zoidy on 02-04-2011 at 08:50 PM

It should be released in the next few days if all goes well as thats what they hope not promise. it'll be released when its released and not a day sooner.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CheekyGirl on 02-05-2011 at 05:19 AM

Sooner rather than later.. Bring on MSN PLUS 5 (H)


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by matty on 02-05-2011 at 05:51 AM

It is Messenger Plus! or MSGPlus! not MSN Plus.


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Hank on 02-05-2011 at 05:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by matty
It is Messenger Plus! or MSGPlus! not MSN Plus.
i dont think people care what its called dude, give up trying to tell them the correct name, they'll always call it what they want
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CheekyGirl on 02-05-2011 at 06:24 AM

I'm not phased as to what I called it.. All means the same thing.:)


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-05-2011 at 11:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CheekyGirl
I'm not phased as to what I called it.. All means the same thing.:)

Well as pointed out before MsnPlus is actually a different program. Though on this forum we all know what we talk about. :P
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CheekyGirl on 02-05-2011 at 11:04 AM

Of course :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by MATiASc on 02-05-2011 at 01:08 PM

zzzzzzzzzzz

why not they released the public beta and ready, when they have the final version is updated every simple


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tomtom95 on 02-05-2011 at 01:09 PM

damn this waiting takes long :P

note to self: waitingtime = impatience
(A)

luckily I have games I can play to forget about time ^^


RE: RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by DihBKT on 02-05-2011 at 04:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by tomtom95
quote:
Originally posted by DihBKT
Forecast of when will release?

waiting..

ZzzzZzzzzzzzZz

if you had started paying atention to all that has been said here, i didn't have to tell you THAT THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANOTHER RELEASE TARGET DATE
I have not talked to you face. My question was for the owners of the software "MSG PLUS" you jerk.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Oxy on 02-05-2011 at 05:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DihBKT
I have not talked to you face. My question was for the owners of the software "MSG PLUS" you jerk.
right. but 'the owners' (yuna) have already given out details. so it was suitable fortomtom to 'remind' you of what they said as the information was already present, you had just failed to read it.

there will be no more target dates set by Yuna. It'll be out within a couple of working days.
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Phillip on 02-05-2011 at 05:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Oxy
quote:
Originally posted by DihBKT
I have not talked to you face. My question was for the owners of the software "MSG PLUS" you jerk.
right. but 'the owners' (yuna) have already given out details. so it was suitable fortomtom to 'remind' you of what they said as the information was already present, you had just failed to read it.

there will be no more target dates set by Yuna. It'll be out within a couple of working days.
jerk u r not owner wen is msn plus 5 download?

:zippy:
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by DihBKT on 02-05-2011 at 05:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Oxy
quote:
Originally posted by DihBKT
I have not talked to you face. My question was for the owners of the software "MSG PLUS" you jerk.
right. but 'the owners' (yuna) have already given out details. so it was suitable fortomtom to 'remind' you of what they said as the information was already present, you had just failed to read it.

there will be no more target dates set by Yuna. It'll be out within a couple of working days.
ok i to be continue waiting. thx.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by mynetx on 02-05-2011 at 05:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Phillip
wen is msn plus 5 download?
This thread starts to get boring, and a bit annoying, to be honest.

quote:
Originally posted by DihBKT
i to be continue waiting
Muito obrigado pela sua pacincia!
RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Phillip on 02-05-2011 at 05:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mynetx
quote:
Originally posted by Phillip
wen is msn plus 5 download?
This thread starts to get boring, and a bit annoying, to be honest.

andrey > you

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<andrey> rofl :rofl: that messenger plus! 5 info thread is like a never ending fountain of entertaining stupidity :D

RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tpiardi on 02-05-2011 at 05:30 PM

not released yet?


RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by tomtom95 on 02-05-2011 at 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by tpiardi
not released yet?

dude... please redo your school... you didn't learn to read properly...
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by mudafkr on 02-05-2011 at 08:37 PM

Maybe if the staff updates the Recent News section within the front page, people will stop asking. Until then, stop saying that people doesnt know how to read, when you are the ones that cant communicate properly!

Even if you update the Recent News, you already are a bunch of liars. You already skiped two release dates, and this last one without publishing it.

We want to read the news from the deveolpers in the news section... we dont want to read insults from all sort of beta testers who believe they own the forums. There is no reason to believe in beta testers when the developers stated in their communication channel that the next release will be available by the end of January. Now its to hard to believe in the developers too.

By now, Im already loosing interest in MSN Plus, WLM 2011 works great by itself... you just gave me enough time to realize that.

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RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by nemo0 on 02-05-2011 at 09:02 PM

By now, Im already loosing interest in MSN Plus, WLM 2011 works great by itself... you just gave me enough time to realize that.

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RE: RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Phillip on 02-05-2011 at 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by nemo0
By now, Im already loosing interest in MSN Plus, WLM 2011 works great by itself... you just gave me enough time to realize that.

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RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Arcticwolfx on 02-05-2011 at 09:28 PM

MSN+ owners aren't on this forum. :P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CookieRevised on 02-05-2011 at 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by mudafkr
Even if you update the Recent News, you already are a bunch of liars. You already skiped two release dates, and this last one without publishing it.
sorry, but first you accuse 'us' of being liars, which is already not correct since al 'we' do is communicate what 'we' know. 'We' are not in charge of things... which is also already said before, but meh...

Then, second, NOBODY, including Yuna lied about anything at all!!! As it has been said many times before, including in the top post, and including in the news section you refer to, the dates are TARGET dates, they are NOT fixed release dates. Again to make it clear: there have NEVER been release dates, only targetted dates. And as everybody would know, elays can always happen, and when they do happen, they happen for a good reason.

So, nobody has ever lied at all. It is some people who misinterpret what has been said....

So to be clear, once again: it will be ready when it is ready and not a day sooner.

If you want to quit using Messenger Plus! just because the release is just a couple of days delayed (for very good reasons), then so be it, it is your good right to do so. But in all honesty that seems a bit errrmm... well I wont type the word here I was thinknig about.
RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by CheekyGirl on 02-05-2011 at 09:36 PM

WOW there's alot of impatient people around. Have you people never heard the saying "Good Things Take Time" so in saying that this msn plus 5 or "Whatever" you lot call it must be a "Good Thing"..!!:P


RE: Messenger Plus! 5 information by Matti on 02-05-2011 at 09:37 PM

As said countless times before, there never has been an official announcement of a release date. The first post in this thread clearly reads:

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The general release of Plus! 5 is targeted for the end of January, 2011.
Note that it says "targeted", meaning that it's estimated Plus! would be released around that time. No-one ever said that it will be released before January 31.

There's nothing wrong with the communication, it's just that some misinterpret the meaning of the word "target". As such, the ones who shouldn't be believed around here are those who claim that the release is overdue - it can't be late because there hasn't ever been a release date!

The latest official statement was posted on February 3, 2011:
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Originally posted by Nathalie's reply to Messenger Plus! 5 information
Everyone is busy preparing the launch - the general release of Messenger Plus! 5 should be a matter of day/s now. Thanks for your patience.
That's all you need to know. All we ask is to be patient for just a bit longer.

Here's a handy flowchart for you guys:
  1. Check the site and the forums.
  2. Found an announcement about the release of Plus! 5?
    • Yes!
      1. Get all excited.
      2. Download and install new version.
      3. Be amazed.
      4. Exit flowchart.
    • No...
      1. Do something else, wait a day or two.
      2. Go back to 1.
Success guaranteed! ;)

I should totally copy-paste this and repost it every day. :P