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reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by kasper2000 on 02-11-2011 at 12:36 PM

hi everyone ..

I install Messenger plus "5"  on  Windows Live ..

but the Messenger plus "5" Icon  was reversal

see the pic ..

[Image: 2-11-20113-18-18PM.jpg]


I running  in ...
- Windows 7  (English) language
- Windows Live Messenger 2009 (Arabic) language

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Need to Debugging that mistake .. :)

RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by Menthix on 02-11-2011 at 01:08 PM

Hah, that's interesting.

It seems all icons are mirrored though. Usually Messenger 2009 look something like this:
[Image: wlm-2009-haeder.png]

I wonder if mirroring the icons is Messenger's default behavior for RTL languages, or if there is something odd which mirrors the icons. Any other people using Messenger in a RTL language who can confirm?

RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by mohamedx5 on 02-12-2011 at 04:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
Hah, that's interesting.

I wonder if mirroring the icons is Messenger's default behavior for RTL languages, or if there is something odd which mirrors the icons. Any other people using Messenger in a RTL language who can confirm?

Yes Its Default behavior For Arabic Language Because Arabic is readed from right to left , Even Arabic Windows Is Mirrored like that The start button is in the right side and the clock in the left xD
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by Menthix on 02-12-2011 at 04:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mohamedx5
Because Arabic is readed from right to left
I knew Arabic is read from right to left and that GUI elements are arranged in another way, but never knew icons were mirrored too :).
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by CookieRevised on 02-12-2011 at 06:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mohamedx5
Yes Its Default behavior For Arabic Language Because Arabic is readed from right to left , Even Arabic Windows Is Mirrored like that The start button is in the right side and the clock in the left xD
What Menthix meant was that control elements are expected to be reversed with RTL languages, but not the images themselfs. That indeed does not make much sense at all.

It does sound like either a bug in WLM, or either a very cheap and crappy way of mimicing RTL behaviour in WLM ("bleh we're lazy, so lets just reverse the whole graphical area instead of changing the positions of controls").

quote:
Originally posted by Menthix
quote:
Originally posted by mohamedx5
Because Arabic is readed from right to left
I knew Arabic is read from right to left and that GUI elements are arranged in another way, but never knew icons were mirrored too :).
Same here... I would have never expected that images themselfs are reversed.

I suppose it is easy to 'fix' for Plus! though (just reverse the images in the wrong way so WLM will reverse them back correctly). Although I wouldn't really call that a 'fix', lol.
Tssss... Is has come far when Plus! even starts to fix WLM bugs :p
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by kasper2000 on 02-13-2011 at 07:55 AM

Menthix + mohamedx5 +CookieRevised

thanks  guys .. for your post ..

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Menthix  : now you know something  new  :)     

see that Arabic Windows 7

[Image: 99845818.jpg]

its  mirrored but its O.K    no matter


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mohamedx5  : thanxs My brother .. :)

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CookieRevised : I agree with you I think it  easy to fix ...

jast reverse  back  icon plus  again








RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by CookieRevised on 02-14-2011 at 09:35 AM

for the record:

quote:
Originally posted by kasper2000
Menthix  : now you know something  new  :)
He already knew it ;)

We all know that when you have the Arabic language, or any other RTL language, that stuff is 'mirrored' from right to left. But what is not suppose to happen is images (or to be more precise foreground icons) to be mirrored too.

The About window of Windows 7 shows correct, and also the logo of Windows is showing correct. That is how it is supposed to be. But in Windows Live Messenger, graphics like that Windows logo are also reversed, and this is not correct. That is what Menthix (and me and others) are referring to ;)
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by kasper2000 on 02-14-2011 at 11:05 PM

CookieRevised  : thanks :)

RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by abdulhkeem on 02-15-2011 at 08:44 AM

thanks for the reply's

i hope it will be fixed in the next version of msg plus!

RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by CookieRevised on 02-18-2011 at 04:38 AM

Update:

Apparently Yuna is aware of the reversal of images because in the resources of Plus! there are some 'special' RTL alternatives for some images (eg: plusicon-16.png <-> plusicon-16-rtl.png), it's the same image as the original one but reversed (thus they will be shown correctly when used in RTL environment).

There is even a special RTL alternative version of the button logo talked about in this thread. But it is the same as the normal logo, it is not reversed (plus-icon-big.png <-> plus-icon-big-rtl.png)!!

So, I think this is a booboo on Yuna's side....

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RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by Apatik on 02-18-2011 at 02:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised

So, I think this is a booboo on Yuna's side....
:zippy:

But yeah, that's fixed -_- The RTL skinning thing is a bit tougher though :)
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by Spunky on 02-18-2011 at 02:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Apatik
quote:
Originally posted by CookieRevised

So, I think this is a booboo on Yuna's side....
:zippy:

But yeah, that's fixed -_- The RTL skinning thing is a bit tougher though :)

Just a quick question: does this mean skinners have to make RTL versions of icons too (say if it replaced the mail icon etc), or is it something optional?
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by Apatik on 02-18-2011 at 04:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Spunky

Just a quick question: does this mean skinners have to make RTL versions of icons too (say if it replaced the mail icon etc), or is it something optional?
At the moment, skinners have no way to specify whether an image should be mirrored or not. I guess they could make RTL versions of their skin's images and add an user option to display them instead of the regular ones, but that's kinda dodgy -_-

Most of the time that's not an issue, I mean Messenger icons are reversed as well so meh, but it becomes one when the images have text in them.

Anyway, we need to investigate this further and decide how we want to implement this.
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by blessedguy on 02-18-2011 at 05:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Apatik
I guess they could make RTL versions of their skin's images and add an user option to display them instead of the regular ones, but that's kinda dodgy -_-
In fact, we can restrict <ResGroup>s from loading depending on languages, so it wouldn't need to be an actual option. But, still, Messenger Plus! should/could handle that.
RE: reversal the Messenger plus "5" Icon ..! by kasper2000 on 02-19-2011 at 10:15 AM

CookieRevised ..You are the best :P

that Good news ..

and ,also thank to all who try to help  ..

salaam == greeting :)