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i agree with you patchou, the third parties shouldnt complain, they have been aloud to freeload from ms servers for so long and nothing lasts forever... in the end, everyones gotta pay the bills.. even microsoft

thank you all of you for understanding my point, at least, I didn'T wrote this article for nothing

Good point made Patchou! I posted the article on mess.be The discussion continues on msnfanatic forums though

wat i read i agreed with, but i have extremely short attention span and got distracted so i didnt read all of it

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aslong as it's free, do whatever the hell they want.  MSN 4.6 and below sucks anyways.  i don't think anyone uses it.  im converting my contact list to start using MSN messenger 6 anyways.  so doesn't effect my at all.

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I dont understand this, is this an opinion about the users using it free? Kinda NIMBY approcach.

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so what if microsoft is banning 4.6 and lower MSN's, nothing you can do about it.  whats gonna be done is gonna be done.  It's not your software to say "no don't ban this" it's microsofts, so let them do what there gonna do.  And also, it covers up alot of there mistakes... like people hacking peoples passwords, stealing IP's and alot of other programs are now useless.

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What the hell does this have to do with it?

This is about Microsoft charging to access it's server on programs such as Trillian and dMSN.

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Originally posted by Johnny_Mac
What the hell does this have to do with it?

This is about Microsoft charging to access it's server on programs such as Trillian and dMSN.

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And Proteus.


BTW, exactly what stops any third-party IM client from saying "Hi, I'm MSN Messenger 6.0!" when signing into the .NET Messenger Service?

Edit: "for saying" => "from saying".

They have an authentication scheme or something similar..Using an md5 hash.

well said patchou

the bottom line is that servers have value... if 3rd party clients want servers they can get their own.  more to the point, who on earth would want a 3rd party client when they don't support plus?

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BTW, exactly what stops any third-party IM client for saying "hi, I'm MSN Messenger 6.0" when signing into the .NET Messenger Service?

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If you modified the messenger exe enough wouldn't you be able to effectively make a 3rd messenger client that still worked on the servers?  I don't support it but if people can steal windows I daresay they can steal .NET bandwidth too

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BTW, exactly what stops any third-party IM client for saying "hi, I'm MSN Messenger 6.0" when signing into the .NET Messenger Service?

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They have an authentication scheme or something similar..Using an md5 hash.

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What Chris said is what happens now. The authentication protocol uses md5 to check the password. What Microsoft wants to do (if I understood well) is change the protocol and use a new one. That new protocol wouldn't be public so 3rd party clients wouldn't be able to sign in. That way the can't say "hi, I'm MSN Messenger 6.0" (because they don't know how to say it )

its all very well blocking 3rd party clients but what about if you use linux or an older mac then you might not be able to get on msn.

mind you spose $10 or so for a 3rd party client isnt to bad.