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I ddidn't want to bother Patchou with this by mail, but shouldn't msgplus.net redirect to msgpluslive.net so people actually end up on the new site? Right now users need to read the newspost and than click the link before they can discover the new site and Plus! Live. I can imagine quite a lot of users don't read the news and go directly to the download section (on msgplus.net) to see if there is a new version yet.

Of course a little link/text should be added on msgpluslive.net about the 3.xx version for people who are using pre-XP or non-Live Messenger, so they cant still download too. But other than that I don't see why people don't get redirected to the new site.

I think the old site should be kept alive, but with a splash page on msgplus.net

I fully agree. It's very confusing for people to think Plus Live hasn't still be released because the site is still like that (millions of people don't visit these forums and not many notice the small news post saying "Messenger Plus! Live is PUBLIC" (and if they do, they probably click on Download instead of in that link).

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Originally posted by MenthiX
Of course a little link/text should be added on msgpluslive.net about the 3.xx version for people who are using pre-XP or non-Live Messenger, so they cant still download too. But other than that I don't see why people don't get redirected to the new site.

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Actually, such a thing is already on the site in its own special page:
http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/old/

Perhaps only the help sections should be kept alive (features perhaps?) linked from msgpluslive.net/download/old/, with the others (www.msgplus.net/download.php, etc.) redirecting to msgpluslive.net. Nobody will want old banners, or old merchandise, I guess

I was thinking maybe on the msgplus.net site, two banners on an intro page, one to the MSN Messenger add-on (msgplus.net) "Messenger Plus!" and one to the Windows Live Messenger add-on (msgpluslive.net) "Messenger Plus! Live" and the user clicks whatever one they need

Then maybe a few 'quick links' at the bottom to the forums and IRC

I think splash pages and banners are only more confusing.

IMO...
- Keep these pages on the old site:
http://msgplus.net/features.php
http://msgplus.net/features_all.php
http://msgplus.net/help_tutorials.php
http://msgplus.net/tutorials.php
http://msgplus.net/help_registry.php
http://msgplus.net/help_cmdtag.php
http://www.msgplus.net/pluginsdb/down/

- Link to the above pages on http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/old/

- Make all other pages on msgplus.net redirect to msgpluslive.net

There should be splash pages on both.... whether you go to the live website or not, asking you which one you'd like to go to so that people can choose... Besides.... people are still using both.... a lot of people don't like WLM

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Originally posted by UTI
Besides.... people are still using both.... a lot of people don't like WLM

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That's exactly the reason of http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/old/

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Originally posted by MenthiX
I think splash pages and banners are only more confusing.

IMO...
- Keep these pages on the old site:
http://msgplus.net/features.php
http://msgplus.net/features_all.php
http://msgplus.net/help_tutorials.php
http://msgplus.net/tutorials.php
http://msgplus.net/help_registry.php
http://msgplus.net/help_cmdtag.php
http://www.msgplus.net/pluginsdb/down/

- Link to the above pages on http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/old/

- Make all other pages on msgplus.net redirect to msgpluslive.net

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I agree... the old pages should be left. there are thousands of posts on the forums relying on them for more information and as long there is 1 single person using Plus!3 they should be accessable.


Big banner on main page to live-site would be very good though...

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Originally posted by MenthiX
I think splash pages and banners are only more confusing.

IMO...
- Keep these pages on the old site:
http://msgplus.net/features.php
http://msgplus.net/features_all.php
http://msgplus.net/help_tutorials.php
http://msgplus.net/tutorials.php
http://msgplus.net/help_registry.php
http://msgplus.net/help_cmdtag.php
http://www.msgplus.net/pluginsdb/down/

- Link to the above pages on http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/old/

- Make all other pages on msgplus.net redirect to msgpluslive.net

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I agree with this. I'm afraid a banner/splash on msgplus.net asking people to choose between things whose difference they don't necessarily know can confuse many users.

@ those who suggest the banner/splash method:

I just don't understand why you would want to say "Hey, welcome to our site... this site is all deticated to an old unupdated version, we have a new version too, but you'll have to click to it first because we like to confuse you".

At a very minimum make http://msgplus.net/ and http://msgplus.net/download.php redirect to msgpluslive.net... because those URLs are mentioned everywhere on the net as the place to get the lastest Plus! version.

A banner thing may sound nice, but look at IRC... we made a freaking huge colored topic with bold and everything... people just don't read, they just instantly click on download and expect that will give them the latest version.