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Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Prime on 10-03-2010 at 01:35 PM

With the disappointment of the new WLM version and it's removal of key features. I'm hoping MSN Plus releases in the future will address some of these concerns?

Some of the features I'd like to see are:

- Return of the display name feature
- The option to save your contact list to import/export them

What about you guys?


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by CookieRevised on 10-03-2010 at 01:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Prime
- Return of the display name feature
Sorry but Messenger Plus! will never be able to do anything about that.

Messenger Plus! (not MSN Plus!!) is an addon which adds feaures to the client application (thus the Messenger program itself), it can not change how the underlying protocol works, nor can it add any functionality which would have an influence on all the other Windows Live services as it is not made, nor part of Microsoft.

The removal of the display name in favor of your real name is a fundamental change in the Windows Live service itself, it is not just a Messenger issue (although it is most apparent in Messenger).

More discussion about the removal of the display name can be found here:
Taking away display names is HORRIBLE.

quote:
Originally posted by Prime
The option to save your contact list to import/export them
You can still do that.
More info here:
CookieRevised's reply to How can i save all the emails on my messenger to computer

;)

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PS: since your questions/suggestions are for Messenger Plus!, I'd requested to move this thread to the appropiate place:

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RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by matty on 10-03-2010 at 01:51 PM

MSN Plus is something completely different. I think you mean Messenger Plus!.

The first one I doubt will be added as you can't change the name since it is pulled from the Live Profile.

The second could easily be done with a script, well the exporting. Importing not so much.


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Prime on 10-03-2010 at 02:20 PM

CookieRevised - that method isn't effective. It works to an extent. I know many people myself included who have tried this countless times and to no end it's caused more headache than results. I've reported this problem on one of the WLM support forums and it's been escalated to a specialist. I did a thread here first. Do you mind taking a look?

The thread is here

matty - maybe an additional feature for display names instead of amending the original functionality? So, you got your name and then below you have a display option. I prefer to see a unique script for saving and exporting contacts.


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by CookieRevised on 10-03-2010 at 02:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Prime
CookieRevised - that method isn't effective.
It's unfortunatly the only method (except for a script but that wouldn't be any better in regards to the issues you might have now - a script wont be able to fix those either as those issues are on MS' side).

quote:
Originally posted by Prime
matty - maybe an additional feature for display names instead of amending the original functionality? So, you got your name and then below you have a display option.
If you simply want to show your nickname to your contacts, you could use the Personal Message for that, or instead of your real name, put a fake name (your nickname) on your Windows Live profile.

Although, all of this wouldn't solve the real issues people have with the removal of the display name (see that other thread I linked to).

quote:
Originally posted by Prime
I prefer to see a unique script for saving and exporting contacts.
A script wont be able to fix any issues you might have with the existing import/export feature either. Although the visible interface would be different, the underlying functionality would be just the same. So it would be just as good or bad, because a script does not have any influence on how contacts are added because that is all done on Microsoft's own servers. It would simply give the instruction to add a contact, just as the import function on your Windows Live Profile does. And it is there, on the Microsoft servers, where the possible problems that you might experience.
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Prime on 10-03-2010 at 02:42 PM

Let's hope the issue gets fixed.

So, where can I put forward these suggestions for the developer to consider?


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by CookieRevised on 10-03-2010 at 03:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Prime
So, where can I put forward these suggestions for the developer to consider?
You just did by making this thread (although in the wrong forum, hence my previous request to the moderators to move this thread).
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Prime on 10-03-2010 at 03:14 PM

Oh right, will they move it then?


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Tochjo on 10-03-2010 at 04:07 PM

Yes, thread moved.


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by skyli on 10-06-2010 at 09:16 PM

Hi! I also have some wishes:
- subgroups in contact list
- option to hide categories
- google talk just like facebook chat is now in
- remove text: this category has no avaible friends

Thanks!


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Chrissy on 10-06-2010 at 09:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by skyli
Hi! I also have some wishes:
- subgroups in contact list
- option to hide categories

- google talk just like facebook chat is now in
- remove text: this category has no avaible friends

Thanks!
I like ;) (Y)
GTalk one, isn't really possible, but can be kinda done with a Script.
Removing text requires a patch (like apatch). Messenger Plus! doesn't really modify Messenger like this. (As far as I know). You an suggest this to the devs over at apatch though ;)
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Kyriakin on 10-08-2010 at 03:58 AM

An option to remove inactive people from allow/blocked lists


Mood feature by Gabarieko on 10-24-2010 at 11:35 AM

Mood feature

The idea is that while you chat, you should also be able to show your current mood. This can be done by adding a semi-transparent emoticon behind the messages. Along with the emoticon the message background should also slightly colorize.

Screenshot 1
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Screenshot 2
[Image: msnps_second.jpg?psid=1]

In ss2 you will notice that there are two mood backgrounds in the same chat window. This is because in my oppinion it shouldn't be window-bound but message-bound, meaning the mood you set is for the message and not for the chat session. Successive messages inherit the previous mood until a new mood is set ((OPTIONAL)or after a set amount of messages after which the mood "fades out").

And one more thing. In future, it will be nice for moods to be available for customization, meaning any custom emoticon can be turned onto "mood". People will only need to supply the emoticon in a good quality if they want it to be bigger (cause emoticon-size won't be a pleasant one) and then choose the background color for the mood.

I say "In future" because I realize the customization is not an easy thing to accomplish. You'll need to make the mood easily exportable and thus the moment one receives a new(unknown) mood, it is immediately imported. And though it can't be that hard to make a package of [Image, background_color] I doubt it's as easy as that.


I also realize this can probably be done with scripts but if it is just a custom script, this won't bring the feature to all people. In other words, you'll often find yourself in a position where the feature will be unavailable because the person you're chatting to doesn't have the script. I simply suggest you should include it by default so it can be a standard feature.


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by nero666 on 10-24-2010 at 08:40 PM

one a nick name can make wlm 2011


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by yuping on 10-25-2010 at 12:56 AM

I'd like to add wish that MsgPlus! style(left pan and setable L/M/S size) tab chatting.


RE: Mood feature by riahc4 on 10-26-2010 at 02:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Gabarieko
Mood feature

The idea is that while you chat, you should also be able to show your current mood. This can be done by adding a semi-transparent emoticon behind the messages. Along with the emoticon the message background should also slightly colorize.

In ss2 you will notice that there are two mood backgrounds in the same chat window. This is because in my oppinion it shouldn't be window-bound but message-bound, meaning the mood you set is for the message and not for the chat session. Successive messages inherit the previous mood until a new mood is set ((OPTIONAL)or after a set amount of messages after which the mood "fades out").

And one more thing. In future, it will be nice for moods to be available for customization, meaning any custom emoticon can be turned onto "mood". People will only need to supply the emoticon in a good quality if they want it to be bigger (cause emoticon-size won't be a pleasant one) and then choose the background color for the mood.

I say "In future" because I realize the customization is not an easy thing to accomplish. You'll need to make the mood easily exportable and thus the moment one receives a new(unknown) mood, it is immediately imported. And though it can't be that hard to make a package of [Image, background_color] I doubt it's as easy as that.


I also realize this can probably be done with scripts but if it is just a custom script, this won't bring the feature to all people. In other words, you'll often find yourself in a position where the feature will be unavailable because the person you're chatting to doesn't have the script. I simply suggest you should include it by default so it can be a standard feature.
Im not even going to go into details but

No. Just no.
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by CookieRevised on 10-26-2010 at 05:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Gabarieko
Mood feature
...

I like that idea very much (y)...
feasable, original, simple, nice idea for implementation, not-intrusive, and young people will probably like it...

Though, it is more something for Windows Live Messenger itself than for Messenger Plus! I think.

quote:
Originally posted by Gabarieko
I also realize this can probably be done with scripts but if it is just a custom script, this won't bring the feature to all people. In other words, you'll often find yourself in a position where the feature will be unavailable because the person you're chatting to doesn't have the script. I simply suggest you should include it by default so it can be a standard feature.
Something like this isn't possible with a script though - at least not in the way you described the implementation. But even for Messenger Plus! itself it might not be possible. Plus! can only do/alter so much in Windows Live Messenger.
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by blackjack on 10-26-2010 at 08:19 PM

I wouldnt like to see that implemented on Messenger, it would be ugly for me to see that annoyance on my conversations :P

You already have dynamic images, if you really want to show your mood just record a little bit and use it, its funnier and less intrusive than that ugly degraded big smiley :P

Not to mention that it makes you focus on that and not paying attention on whats being said :P


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by CookieRevised on 10-26-2010 at 10:30 PM

Dynamic pictures propagate to your entire contact list, or at least to the entire conversation. The function described by Gabarieko is completely different than that though. And obviously his sshots are just very rudementary low quality concepts. It can be made looking quite better and far less in-your-face than in his quick sshot editing. Obviously the stuff shouldn't use blowup/degraded small emoticon graphics...

I would personaly find something like this far less intrusive/destracting than a wink btw...

It might also be a good thing that people actually take a bit more notice of the 'context' something is said in. We do that constantly in real life, it is natural, but this is a very big missing part in the online word which quite often leads to misinterpretations, etc... And as with all things, it should of course be optional (or not done at all) :P


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by blackjack on 10-26-2010 at 10:48 PM

Well, looking it that way :P but im not too optimistic i rather see display names back that this implemented.

I share your opinion winks its the most useless shit implemented by the messenger team, lol. (i know you didnt say that)
Nudges are handy sometimes, but winks are just pointless :P


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by CookieRevised on 10-26-2010 at 10:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blackjack
i rather see display names back than this implemented.
That speaks for itself!!!

quote:
Originally posted by blackjack
I share your opinion winks its the most useless shit implemented by the messenger team, lol. (i know you didnt say that)
Nope, but I could have said that :p;)

RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by SmokingCookie on 11-06-2010 at 01:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy
GTalk one, isn't really possible, but can be kinda done with a Script.

Yes, it can be has been done by a bunch of Dutch students.
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by him on 11-09-2010 at 08:43 AM

I have some wishes:
1. let me choose how the full name of the contacts shown
e.g. First Name then Last Name or Last Name then First Name

2. Handwritting

Thanks!


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by regsnerven on 11-11-2010 at 12:14 PM

Please Please PLease!!!
bring back the feature to split your messages.

I really hate that view.


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Spunky on 11-11-2010 at 02:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by regsnerven
Please Please PLease!!!
bring back the feature to split your messages.

I really hate that view.

Isn't that in WLM's own options?
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Menthix on 11-11-2010 at 02:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Spunky
quote:
Originally posted by regsnerven
bring back the feature to split your messages.
isn't that in WLM's own options?
It was in older versions, but in Messenger 2011 messages are always grouped. Although many people who dislike this don't seem to realize messages are still split when a person keeps talking for more than a minute (and timestamps are on).

RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Blue_Ninja0 on 11-13-2010 at 03:39 PM

Please just add an option to disable the extremely annoying photo share mode, at least when someone posts a URL with a picture.
I don't want to be prompted to open photo share every single time someone posts a .jpg URL on my window (which happens all the time).

And please disable the indirect link method that Microsoft implemented in the new Messenger.
Now links that open in the browser don't go directly to the site. They go through some kind of warning from Windows Live. Not only is it annoying, but it also blocks some URLs I use because the site thinks I'm hotlinking and blocks the picture that was supposed to open!

Getting the display name back would be awesome too, but I'm aware that might be impossible.

Keep up the good work! (Y)


RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by ElZerginator on 11-14-2010 at 02:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Blue_Ninja0
Please just add an option to disable the extremely annoying photo share mode, at least when someone posts a URL with a picture.
I don't want to be prompted to open photo share every single time someone posts a .jpg URL on my window (which happens all the time).

And please disable the indirect link method that Microsoft implemented in the new Messenger.
Now links that open in the browser don't go directly to the site. They go through some kind of warning from Windows Live. Not only is it annoying, but it also blocks some URLs I use because the site thinks I'm hotlinking and blocks the picture that was supposed to open!

Keep up the good work! (Y)

Both this issues annoy me immensely, why do they think they need to proxy urls for me? Just to make the photo share mode visible since apparently nobody likes it?

Of course asking for things on the internet is easy, but we can't be the only ones that thinks this "updates" are a nuisance,  and a fix to them would certainly benefit the plus community at large.

Whatever is decided, keep on trucking.
RE: RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Vlavv on 12-26-2010 at 03:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ElZerginator
Both this issues annoy me immensely, why do they think they need to proxy urls for me? Just to make the photo share mode visible since apparently nobody likes it?

Of course asking for things on the internet is easy, but we can't be the only ones that thinks this "updates" are a nuisance,  and a fix to them would certainly benefit the plus community at large.

Whatever is decided, keep on trucking.
I agree, and I think that most people consider that these updates are a pain in the butt. I can't imagine that Microsoft could come up with those ideas and not offer an option to disable them.
If you have a web browser compatible with Greasemonkey scripts (Firefox, Opera...), you can use this to bypass Smartscreen: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/88898
Regards.
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Spunky on 12-26-2010 at 07:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Vlavv
quote:
Originally posted by ElZerginator
Both this issues annoy me immensely, why do they think they need to proxy urls for me? Just to make the photo share mode visible since apparently nobody likes it?

Of course asking for things on the internet is easy, but we can't be the only ones that thinks this "updates" are a nuisance,  and a fix to them would certainly benefit the plus community at large.

Whatever is decided, keep on trucking.
I agree, and I think that most people consider that these updates are a pain in the butt. I can't imagine that Microsoft could come up with those ideas and not offer an option to disable them.
If you have a web browser compatible with Greasemonkey scripts (Firefox, Opera...), you can use this to bypass Smartscreen: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/88898
Regards.

If you take a look at a few threads around here, you'll notice it's because of people not using Smartscreen that Microsoft have had to disable urls in messages. You may be taking a second or two off loading times for websites, but open yourself up to viruses and phishing attacks. I highly recommend people don't do this
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Chrissy on 12-26-2010 at 09:11 PM

Disableing clicking links in my opinion is childish, just becuase they cant click it doesn't mean they wont click on it. Yeah, it will reduce it slightly but not much.


RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Vlavv on 12-26-2010 at 10:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Spunky
If you take a look at a few threads around here, you'll notice it's because of people not using Smartscreen that Microsoft have had to disable urls in messages. You may be taking a second or two off loading times for websites, but open yourself up to viruses and phishing attacks. I highly recommend people don't do this
While I understand there may be some security problems when you visit certain URL, the solution Microsoft put in place just isn't right. Having to pass a security warning each time you click on a bunch of links that a trusted friend pastes (event if that's from the same website!), it's just ridiculous. There should be some option to disable this, or AT LEAST something to set a list of trusted websites/friends. There is no point in forcing all users to suffer this, including those who are able to protect themselves. Microsoft wouldn't act differently if they'd want their users to run away from WLM.

A simple warning popping on top of the conversation window when a link is pasted would be as efficient, and much less annoying.

But thank you for sharing your opinion on this.

And I apologize for my probable syntax mistakes
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by blessedguy on 12-26-2010 at 11:27 PM

Malware affects everyone (A) Even the most trustable friend can be infected and you'll never know.
Each warning should serve as a second chance to check the url and see if it's safe, it's better than be sorry after you click something you didn't check before or misclicked it, as in a conversation appearing suddenly and the link appearing right under where you'd click.
Now, "suffer this, including those who are able to protect themselves": these people are the ones that liked the feature, it seems. You aren't able to protect yourself if you call an extra security layer a "pain" and "something uneeded". And who reads those warnings that pop up there in time to prevent something?


RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Vlavv on 12-26-2010 at 11:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
Malware affects everyone (A) Even the most trustable friend can be infected and you'll never know.
Each warning should serve as a second chance to check the url and see if it's safe, it's better than be sorry after you click something you didn't check before or misclicked it, as in a conversation appearing suddenly and the link appearing right under where you'd click.
Now, "suffer this, including those who are able to protect themselves": these people are the ones that liked the feature, it seems. You aren't able to protect yourself if you call an extra security layer a "pain" and "something uneeded". And who reads those warnings that pop up there in time to prevent something?
Those who don't read the warnings that pop up there, probably won't read the smartscreen warning either. It just triggers a mechanical click on the "continue" button. That's probably the same problem with Vista and Seven's UAC: it gets so annoying that most people end up disabling it.

Now a good solution to avoid your misclick example would be to set a delay of, say, 2 seconds before a link become clickable. This method is already used in some dialog boxes.

But I'm surprised to read that some people appreciate this feature. I assume that contrary to what I've written before, it's not that ridiculous. But I still think it's badly implemented.

EDIT: oh, and still another criticism... The smartscreen filter messes up with some websites like 4chan which checks the referrer to avoid hotlinking...
RE: RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by CookieRevised on 12-27-2010 at 04:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Vlavv
quote:
Originally posted by Spunky
If you take a look at a few threads around here, you'll notice it's because of people not using Smartscreen that Microsoft have had to disable urls in messages. You may be taking a second or two off loading times for websites, but open yourself up to viruses and phishing attacks. I highly recommend people don't do this
While I understand there may be some security problems when you visit certain URL, the solution Microsoft put in place just isn't right. Having to pass a security warning each time you click on a bunch of links that a trusted friend pasts (event if that's from the same website!), it's just ridiculous. There should be some option to disable this, or AT LEAST something to set a list of trusted websites/friends. There is no point in forcing all users to suffer this, including those who are able to protect themselves. Microsoft wouldn't act differently if they'd want their users to run away from WLM.

A simple warning popping on top of the conversation window when a link is pasted would be as efficient, and much less annoying.

But thank you for sharing your opinion on this.

And I apologize for my probable syntax mistakes
Altough I share your concerns in regards to the smartscreen filtering, the underlying reason why they disabled the hotlinking in messages has been explained in great detail before and is very logic and understandable.

It comes down to, indeed, security. At the time they disabled the links a virus was spreading around the world like wildfire. And, unlike other malwares, this virus was spreading thru various semi-random links. Now, it is possible to transparantly filter out certain links (they did this before), but with this method it was not possible to filter out all the links that this virus (and all ts variants) was using.

Also, because this was a major security threat they had to do something very quickly. And the _only_ option was to disable links all together. This because the use of features like hotlinking, emoticons, sounds, etc are remotely controlled by MS. They simply need to disable a checkmark in their BigBrotherControlCenter next to 'hotlinking' and hotlinking will be disabled for everyone in an instant.

You can argue that they could implement all kinds of other solutions, but you need to understand that everything else would have required to re-program Messenger. And that takes a huge amount of time, testing, etc... By the time they had done that we would already be a few months further while the virus would be happily spreading around. Not to mention that everybody had to update their Messenger for this change to take effect. Again, a security risk.

Disabling hotlinking in messages was indeed the best solution they could do.

As for the smartscreen filtering itself, yeah, it has some major issues (eg:some urls being crippled), but it is also a 'second chance' solution like someone called it; it may not work for some who automatically click 'continue' without reading anyways, but it is a good protection without being too restrictive for others.

For each solution there are benefits and downsides; unfortunatly there is no good-for-everyone solution when it comes down to security. For some there is too much security, for others there is too little. And yes, unfortunatly some users need to be protected against themselfs.

But anyways, this is a whole different discussion which is already held in other threads... We better stay on topic here: suggestions for Plus!5...

As such: I'm not sure if Plus! would be able to do anything about the disabling of hotlinking in messages. Without going too technical, the reason is that something like that needs to be done before or while Messenger makes contact with the servers. It's quite possible that it can't be disabled/enabled on the fly. But I may be wrong with this. As for the smartscreen stuff: I'm not sure about that one either. Although, without knowing exactly how it is implemented in Messenger, it might be possible to disable the redirecting, but it wont be easy in that case I suppose. So don't get your hopes up too much.
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Aasemoon on 01-21-2011 at 11:20 PM

Hi there. first of all, pardon me if this request has been made before, I just didn't find it here.

One of my biggest disappointments with the new version of messenger is the fact that it's missing the option to view a list of people who have added you to their contacts list. I realize it's possible to check whether or not you're in someone's live profile connections list, but that doesn't always tell you everything.

So I'd appreciate it very much if the new version of Messenger Plus! includes a feature to get a list of all the people who have you in their list.

Cheers!


RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by blessedguy on 01-21-2011 at 11:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Aasemoon
So I'd appreciate it very much if the new version of Messenger Plus! includes a feature to get a list of all the people who have you in their list.
Plus! used data Microsoft stopped providing, so it is impossible unless Microsoft starts updating that information again.
RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Aasemoon on 01-21-2011 at 11:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Aasemoon
So I'd appreciate it very much if the new version of Messenger Plus! includes a feature to get a list of all the people who have you in their list.
Plus! used data Microsoft stopped providing, so it is impossible unless Microsoft starts updating that information again.

Thanks for your response. Well, to be honest the reason I made this request is because I'm not all that certain whether Microsoft has in fact stopped providing this data. I have an older version of WLM installed on another system, and at least up to a couple of days ago I know that the "who's added me" feature was still working. So that makes me think that the data is still being provided, but for some reason or the other the feature has just not been implemented on the WLM 2011. [It would not be the first time.]
RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by blessedguy on 01-21-2011 at 11:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Aasemoon
Thanks for your response. Well, to be honest the reason I made this request is because I'm not all that certain whether Microsoft has in fact stopped providing this data. I have an older version of WLM installed on another system, and at least up to a couple of days ago I know that the "who's added me" feature was still working. So that makes me think that the data is still being provided, but for some reason or the other the feature has just not been implemented on the WLM 2011. [It would not be the first time.]

It still is shown, but you might notice it is wildly innacurate :P
RE: RE: Wish list for MSN Plus version 5 by Aasemoon on 01-21-2011 at 11:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blessedguy
quote:
Originally posted by Aasemoon
Thanks for your response. Well, to be honest the reason I made this request is because I'm not all that certain whether Microsoft has in fact stopped providing this data. I have an older version of WLM installed on another system, and at least up to a couple of days ago I know that the "who's added me" feature was still working. So that makes me think that the data is still being provided, but for some reason or the other the feature has just not been implemented on the WLM 2011. [It would not be the first time.]

It still is shown, but you might notice it is wildly innacurate :P

Yes it is inaccurate but not completely random. If someone add/removes you to their list through the messenger itself, the changes show up correctly. If they do it through the Live Profile, then it most probably will not... which actually makes sense. I suppose this can be the reason the feature is no longer there.