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Right well straight to the point.
I've been thinking about becoming a programmer for ages (even though i am 14) but everything seems so complicated and i dont know where 2 begin in learning how to program.
Any recomendations for websites/programs would be appreciated

Also does nebody have mesngr 6.1 setup file as i cant find it anywhere

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Originally posted by leejeffery
even though i am 14

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...what's abnormal with programming at the age of 14?...I'd suggest you learn HTML first, just so you get on the path to programming, don't use FrontPage or something similar use just notepad, then you'll have a basic knowledge of how to put very simple code together...
Then buy Microsoft Visual Basic 6 (there's several out there in shops it doesn't really matter which you buy IMO) and get a book on learning Visual Basic 6...Then you take it from there...
One huge tip when learning any programming if you ever get confused or puzzled just muddle through...and don't give up ...

well i already know basic html but thanks for your help neway anubis.
also ne ideas about where i can get 6.1??

By the way... I'm not sure learning VB will help you much in the future.

You could start with Java or C wich are more serioud programming languages, also mor difficult, btw

I think, to follow the path of HTML you could try it with PHP. Wich is very easy, it is Object Orientated like C and Java and you will have much success easily

Well, my personal suggestion.

Otherways, VB is more useful for building applications and it's rather easy. But jumping from VB to VisualC++ (the visual brother of C++, like Pascal and Delphi) is hard, better the other way: VC++ to VB.

MSN Messenger 6.1.0211 can be found at: http://kaonet.net/page.php?id=84

direct downloadlink: http://kaonet.net/page.php?id=84&a=dl

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Originally posted by Anubis
I'd suggest you learn HTML first, just so you get on the path to programming,

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HTML is not a programming language, and imo it's useless learn those codes, as there are lots of programs that can generate web pages for you (read: frontpage, dreamweaver, etc...)

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
I'm not sure learning VB will help you much in the future.

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of course it will.

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
But jumping from VB to VisualC++ (the visual brother of C++, like Pascal and Delphi) is hard, better the other way: VC++ to VB.

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imo, going from vb to vc is as easy as going from vc to vb, of course, if you suppose the same initial level of knowledge of both languages.

[edit] however, usually VC++ programmers have more experience so for they it's easier change from their VC++ to VB than for VB programmers (with less experience) change from VB to VC (that's what I wanted to mean) [/edit]


Ok. You're 14. I'd suggest you start with VB. It's easy, you'll get good results quickly and you'll learn the basic things about programming. Starting with VC++ or Java just will things be like . Once you have learnt how to program in VB, changin to VC++, Java, Delphi, etc... will be just learn a couple of new things specific to the new language. The idea of how things are done will be the same and you'll already have it.

That is for making programs for Windows. PHP is for web. It's as easy (or as hard) as C. You can try it, but I think that what you're looking for is make Windows programs.

btw, there was a thread about the same some time ago... I'll try to search it....

Edit:
in http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=24215 you'll find a similar discussion... (not all the thread is about that, but it's a short thread, read all it )

But btw, learning Java is not difficult and jumping then to C is no much structural difference.
VB is a rather limited language, hence it's much better to bet on VC++ although, yeah, really tough. Anyway, it has the best of VB and the best of C. Microsoft is the only one really supporting VB, while for generic portable use C seems to be the most capable language.

Anyway, Choli, I bet you know what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
learning Java is not difficult

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I don't think so, specially for a 14-years-old person. The concept of classes (main concept in java, very important in VC++ too) is something that can't be easyly understood by everyone. That's why the best (for he) is VB. Just draw the window, put buttons and things, double click the button and write the code that will be executed when clicked. easy. the same in java... awt, classes, constructors, methods... (in VC++ the same as in java: resources, classes, ->DoModal()'s, etc..)

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
Choli, I bet you know what you're talking about.

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*cough*even if today I've finished the classes of computer science studies at the uni*cough* that doesn't mean I know everything I may be wrong

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Originally posted by Choli
The concept of classes

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I learned that at school last year... I was... 17.
It's difficult, but once you get it, you can't think of anything else .

Btw, I still didn't use classes in PHP. It's not really essential for basic coding.

VB's got OOP too... lol dude i'm 14 too and i understand the concept of classes