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Theres a nasty video of this guy going into one of the resturants with a backpack on and 30 seconds later bang...

The bombers have no moral they do these things wanting something i think these people see it as a hobby complaing about westen society when in realty they live it everyday. And then they blame their religion when their religion teachs peace

just brainwashing is all it is

If you believe that terrorists are committing bombings because they hate western society, you have really lost the plot. Terrorists are commiting these bombings because they dislike American foreign policy. Hence these bombings are in response to it and they hope to accomplish some form of change by pressuring over governments to place pressure on the US.

Im not defending suicide bombings because it is truly disgusting but if these sort of issues are ever going to get solved we just cant come up with the reasoning of "They have western society."

By using the following definition posted by another user:
"Do you mean terrorist?

if so: a radical who employs terror as a political weapon.

someone who incites terror to achieve a political objective in other words"

It is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism. The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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Originally posted by steVenB
t is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism.

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No. Because terrorism is like in the definition you quoted, "employing terror as a political wepon". And the invaision of iraqi did not use terror tactics to remove sadam hussain, they attacked key military targets (although the did mess up sometimes) to overthrow his regieme, which as it happened involved many of his people living in terror of him, hence him having political power.

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Originally posted by steVenB
The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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No. If terrorists used a million dollar weapon to blow up civilian targets and to incite terror it would still be terrorism wouldnt it?

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Originally posted by steVenB
If you believe that terrorists are committing bombings because they hate western society, you have really lost the plot. Terrorists are commiting these bombings because they dislike American foreign policy. Hence these bombings are in response to it and they hope to accomplish some form of change by pressuring over governments to place pressure on the US.

Im not defending suicide bombings because it is truly disgusting but if these sort of issues are ever going to get solved we just cant come up with the reasoning of "They have western society."

By using the following definition posted by another user:
"Do you mean terrorist?

if so: a radical who employs terror as a political weapon.

someone who incites terror to achieve a political objective in other words"

It is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism. The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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Sorry but your post seems a little anti-USA for me
Terrorists don't only go and blow themselves up just in response to American government actions (like the Iraqi invasion), yes its possible this comes into it but United States Government does not have a lot to do with things like the bombing of the Australian Embassy in Indonesia not long ago.

For the record, there was terrorism before the USA invaded Iraq

Not a personal attack on you Steven

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Originally posted by Madman

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Originally posted by steVenB
t is obvious too see that the actions of the American Government on the invasion of Iraq can be seen as an act of terrorism.

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No. Because terrorism is like in the definition you quoted, "employing terror as a political wepon". And the invaision of iraqi did not use terror tactics to remove sadam hussain, they attacked key military targets (although the did mess up sometimes) to overthrow his regieme, which as it happened involved many of his people living in terror of him, hence him having political power.

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Originally posted by steVenB
The only difference being that the American Governement has million dollar weapons to play with.

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No. If terrorists used a million dollar weapon to blow up civilian targets and to incite terror it would still be terrorism wouldnt it?

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Okay so lets review. What evidence did they have on Saddam again? Nothing. Lets be honest here. The war in Iraq is about the oil. The US claimed they targeted military targets BUT how many civilians died because of those actions??? Did that not incite terror within the population??? Who has the political power now in Iraq? It certainly isnt the Iraqi people.

I think you missed the last point. Regardless of what weapon they use (suicide bomb or missles) the end result is the same....terror.

And use you are right, im a little anti US foreign policy. And yes there was terrorism before the Iraq war. I just choose it as a recent example. So why was the Austrialian embassy chooson as a target? Is it because they supported American Foreign policy???

No disrepect to anyone I suggest some of you read some of Noam Chomsky's work. I think he has a website which has all these audio clips to download and listen to.  He will illustrate the point im trying to make more clearly.

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Originally posted by steVenB
Okay so lets review. What evidence did they have on Saddam again? Nothing. Lets be honest here. The war in Iraq is about the oil.

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Im not pro-war in iraqi and i do think that it was about the oil, but the point im making is the us military did not emply terror tactics.

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Originally posted by steVenB
The US claimed they targeted military targets BUT how many civilians died because of those actions??? Did that not incite terror within the population???

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But they didnt intend on killing civialians to gain political power. And also if this is the case, why did most of the iraqi population welcome the overthrowing of sadam?

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Originally posted by steVenB
Who has the political power now in Iraq? It certainly isnt the Iraqi people.

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AFAIK, they are working on handing power back to the iraqi people, but there is still a lot of lawlessness while a decent poilice force is beeing set up, so this is hampering the hand over of power.

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Originally posted by steVenB
Regardless of what weapon they use (suicide bomb or missles) the end result is the same....terror.

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Actually its entirly different, because during the iraqi war it was a declaired war, so all the people knew they may get involved. And where more prepared than anyone is for a suicide bombing (thats not to say that i dont think lose of civilian life in a way is a fair thing).  But with suicide bombings its unexpected and tahts what causes the really terror, the uncertantly that anyone could be armed with explosives and willing to kill lots of people.

*sigh* when is this thing gonna end, this is fu*king rediculus..

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Originally posted by evil_panda
Theres a nasty video of this guy going into one of the resturants with a backpack on and 30 seconds later bang...

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imagine walking around knowing you are going to die in a couple of minutes..

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Originally posted by SikStyles

imagine walking around knowing you are going to die in a couple of minutes..

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did you see the "bomber in boots" footage of the man that killed himself on 7/7

how could he live like that go to mcdonalds knowing he was about to die

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Originally posted by Absorbation
how could he live like that go to mcdonalds knowing he was about to die

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I would never be able to do it. Bu tyou have to remember, these people 'believe' they are doing it for the better.