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Windows XP always installs the 5.0 version.

XP SP1 always installs the 5.1 version (which doesn't overwrite the 5.0 version a they have different file names)

btw, guys, the redist you want, without installing SP1/SP2

is the Internet Explorer 6.1 (sp1) package.

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Originally posted by Sunshine
I don't see a problem in the dll you used as it's the same one i verified to be the same as mine.

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I'm still unsure about the lagality of these DLL hosting sites. I suggested the redist as they do comply with the EULA.

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Originally posted by Sunshine
how about if you don't have winhttp.dll to begin with?

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My guess is it'll install the file anyway. After all, it's still an upgrade, just from 'nothing'

the dll's are all legal, theres nothing illegal about hosting dll files aslong as they aren't tampered with.

you are allowed to copy and paste dlls into system 32 as well as sometimes some programs won't work becoz they are missing dll files from older installs of windows.

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Originally posted by RaceProUK
My guess is it'll install the file anyway. After all, it's still an upgrade, just from 'nothing'

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In general that wont work at all. An upgrade will not install unless you have the 'older' version. Extremely many redists come as upgrades and will not be installed as 'new'.

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Originally posted by yourmama_20
the dll's are all legal, theres nothing illegal about hosting dll files aslong as they aren't tampered with.

you are allowed to copy and paste dlls into system 32 as well as sometimes some programs won't work becoz they are missing dll files from older installs of windows.

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absolutely wrong. Most of all those DLLs are not allowed to be redistributed!!!! And there are perfectly good reasons for it too. Almost all those DLLs have different versions, not to mention have different branches for different OSes. Bluntly downloading a DLL from a random site and copying it to your system32 directory is:
1) illegal
2) will quite often produce other problems (and quite often not that visible at first)
3) will almost always not properly install the DLL in question. (it doesn't mean that if your app works now, that the DLL is installed properly in the registry for other apps).

If you are missing a DLL it is very very very adviseable to download the official and latest redistributeable package for your OS version from the official Download Center of Microsoft.

the files are perfectly fine to be redistributed on dllfiles.com and other places.. microsoft does not care and will even direc you to these sites to get them if you don't have them.

the dll files usually have instructions for installing them, and are sorted by OS so you always get the right verison for your os.

not that it matters, i've been able to successfully run XP dll's on ME machines many a time without an issue ever occuring.

btw, i'd like you to find me the clause which states its illegal to download unmodified dll files if you require them for something.

microsoft has been directing people to dllfiles.com for many a year if you are missing files like the

Msvcp71.dll
Msvcr70.dll
Msvcr71.dll

and inform you where to place them.

these don't tend to come in redestributables anymore as they were for older os's but they work fine in XP for many a program that requires them.

IF it was illegal, microsoft, long ago would have sent cease and desist letters to these sites and they would not be in existance, so obviously the law does not apply to providing original, un modified versions of dll's for usage if you need them.

now if they are modified or hacked.. then that would be different.

but seeing as you own a microsoft product, and many of the missing dll's are usually ms's own, you have full legal right to obtain the dll and file as you have purchased a license to a copy of microsoft windows meaning that if a program doesn't work for you, then you have full right to get the file required to make it work right.

microsoft owes us.. the customers, and if they start suing becoz of this.. then its them that loses out. becoz it will drive away customers and lose millions of  dollars,... i think ms are having enough anti trust problems at the moment.. without losing more customers to Linux and mac...

now iv'e asked a few friends who work for ibm and microsoft and they themselves say that as long as the files are the correct ones for the os, and aren't to be modified or hacked, then the end user has legal right to use them as they own a legally licensed copy of the operating system that requires them.

that in itself means that if the os is missing files then the end user can download the ones they need to fix it.

i've even seen some fresh copies of XP miss files sometimes and having to either download or expand them from the disk.

in the end, downloading them is easier and is basically the same as expanding the same missing file from a disk.

but it people want to be sure that the file is the right one, then they should download and install atleast SP1 as the file is contained in that.

if the person has not got SP1 and is missing the file. then it IS illegal to have the SP1 copy of the file.

but if they do have SP1 and the file is missing then they can download or expand it from the appropriate medium.

when i updated my works systems to SP2 it missed out a couple of files and we could not get the NTVDM to start and could not get bat patching to work.. so i downloaded the files missing from the net.. id like someone to find somene illegal with that?

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Originally posted by yourmama_20
Msvcp71.dll
Msvcr70.dll
Msvcr71.dll

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Should be available in the Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable Package, which is a redist provided by Microsoft.

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Originally posted by yourmama_20
but seeing as you own a microsoft product, and many of the missing dll's are usually ms's own, you have full legal right to obtain the dll and file as you have purchased a license

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But the sites don't have a licence to distribute, which is the issue here.

I downloaded the winhttp.dll file from dll-files.com and put it into the c:/windows/system folder and msn live messenger worked. It seems you need to put it into the system32 folder. Does this matter? I am unsure of the difference between the system folder and the system 32 folder.

Also it would be nice if you can provide me with the link to the winhttp.dll redistributeable package download site. Thanks

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Originally posted by yourmama_20
the files are perfectly fine to be redistributed on dllfiles.com and other places.. microsoft does not care and will even direc you to these sites to get them if you don't have them.

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I dunno where you get that from but that's absolutely untrue...

And if certain DLLs can be redistributed (note: they exist, but are certainly not the majority), they are NOT linked by MS to 3rd party sites, but they are linked to an official MS site...

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Originally posted by yourmama_20
the dll files usually have instructions for installing them, and are sorted by OS so you always get the right verison for your os.

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If you're talking about sites as dllfiles.com I can tell you for sure that extremely many files on there are seriously outdated and mostly do NOT contain ALL the PROPER instructions. Not to mention they almost never contain other language versions than the English one (yes, in some cases the language must be the correct one or you will experience other errors at another time/point).

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Originally posted by yourmama_20
but seeing as you own a microsoft product, and many of the missing dll's are usually ms's own, you have full legal right to obtain the dll and file as you have purchased a license to a copy of microsoft windows meaning that if a program doesn't work for you, then you have full right to get the file required to make it work right.

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1) by obtaining the file by either re-installing or downloading it from an OFFICIAL MS site.
2) obtaining a missing file is something entirly different than redistributing a file as RaceProUK also said.

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Originally posted by yourmama_20
now iv'e asked a few friends who work for ibm and microsoft and they themselves say that as long as the files are the correct ones for the os (...)

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And stop right there... as I said almost all 3rd party sites which offer such files do NOT contain the latest and CORRECT files for the "os". Even so, it is a pain in the rear end to find the latest correct file and many errors experienced by people are due to the fact they "installed" the wrong file at one point in the past (because they thought it was the correct thing todo as in that point of time another program apparently seemed to work). This forum too contains many threads which show this as proof...

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Originally posted by jukaimessenger
I downloaded the winhttp.dll file from dll-files.com and put it into the c:/windows/system folder and msn live messenger worked. It seems you need to put it into the system32 folder. Does this matter? I am unsure of the difference between the system folder and the system 32 folder.

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yep, it matters.

"system32" is the folder where Windows (XP/NT) will look when it needs to load libraries.

"system" is the old system folder which is used for compatibility reasons and 16bit programs.

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Originally posted by jukaimessenger
Also it would be nice if you can provide me with the link to the winhttp.dll redistributeable package download site. Thanks

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winhttp 5.1 is not redistributeable, hence you will not find such a package (the 5.0 version is also not longer supported and not longer available because of it).

5.1 is now a system component and can only be (legally) installed if you update your Windows XP with SP1 or for example with MSIE SP1...

to find links, search the microsoft site and microsoft's download center with "winhttp".

a possible source would be:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=b93356b1-...
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=1e1550cb-...

also read:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url...nhttp_versions.asp
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url...in_winhttp_5_1.asp

IMHO, sites like dllfiles.com should be shut down. They distribute illegally, and cause too many problems.