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Just saw that a new release was published yesterday (4.83.376, superseding 4.83.372), but couldn't find any information about it. I thought you guys might know something?

(exactly 1year and 7months today since my last post here... hehe)

Cheers!

Nope, nothing except things we can find out on ourselves. Quote from the beta forum:

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by SonicSam
The release has been out for a while, just the number wasn't updated on the download page

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Actually, it's not the same file as the .376 build we saw before. MD5 has changed since, digital signature is also stamped January 15.

To make things more confusing:

• Download from http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/ and you will get the toolbar (Conduit) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Yuna Software.
  
• Do a manual update check (/checkupdates) or wait for auto-update to do its thing and you get PlusNetwork.com (Ask!) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Patchou.

In both cases the installer is stamped .376 and signed January 15.

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There is no real changelog because nothing has changed in Plus! itself. Only the setup has changed to accomodate the new toolbar.

Though, I still would like to see a changelog regardless if there were only minor changes or if it was only the toolbar being added.

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by SonicSam
The release has been out for a while, just the number wasn't updated on the download page

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Actually, it's not the same file as the .376 build we saw before. MD5 has changed since, digital signature is also stamped January 15.

To make things more confusing:

• Download from http://www.msgpluslive.net/download/ and you will get the toolbar (Conduit) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Yuna Software.
  
• Do a manual update check (/checkupdates) or wait for auto-update to do its thing and you get PlusNetwork.com (Ask!) as sponsor option, and the file is signed by Patchou.

In both cases the installer is stamped .376 and signed January 15.

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It's not that confusing though as there has always been a difference between the auto-update one and the one from the website when a new release is published.

So it is probably done on purpose to 'test' out this new version with toolbar before everybody gets auto-updated. So, most likely the auto-update and manual-update files will be updated soonish. Patchou has always taken this approach in the past too, to spread the load on the server.

Anyways, for all those new 376 'versions' goes:
All About boxes says: version 4.83.376 - released on 24/12/09
However, the setups themself were compiled and signed on 15/01/10.
(trivia: the auto-update and manual-update 'versions' have actually been compiled after the ones from the website, and were put online later)

All the other internal files are identical to the previous 376 build we saw before (which was a silent update).
Aka, only the setup itself has changed, Plus! itself is still identical to previous build (except for the translation files to accomodate the new toolbar setup).


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in much more detail:

Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 17 Oct 2009.
  Real version number: 4.83.372
  Real release date: 22 Oct 2009
  Setup compiled on 22 Oct 2009 03:06:04
  Setup MD5 hash: ef6a81711402414df6eb891b5a9c6632
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 372 - released on 17/10/09
  Was delayed because of verisign problems. This is the first version signed by Yuna Software.

Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 30 Nov 2009.
  Real version number: 4.83.374
  Setup compiled on 8 Dec 2009 17:21:12
  Setup MD5 hash: 9de39fca1eff3dedaa9da3ac9e6cd7d3
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 374 - released on 30/11/09
  This was a silent update

Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 15 Dec 2009.
  Real version number: 4.83.375
  Setup compiled on 16 Dec 2009 06:45:12
  Setup MD5 hash: 557078762379bd50caba7292d67478c4
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 375 - released on 15/12/09
  This was a silent update

Advertised on website as 4.83.372 with release date shown as: 24 Dec 2009.
  Real version number: 4.83.376
  Setup compiled on 24 Dec 2009 16:31:51
  Setup MD5 hash: 53757fbf8ff8838065d507e55d2de61a
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
  This was a silent update

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Advertised on website as 4.83.376 with release date shown as: 15 Jan 2010.
  Real version number: 4.83.376
  Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 16:54:46
  Setup MD5 hash: 573d1edd732f342dbf5a78dd7ec19c7c
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
  This is the first version with the new Messenger Plus!-toolbar instead of the usual CiD or Ask.com sponsors.
  All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.

Not available via the website, but would be 4.83.376 with release date shown as: 15 Jan 2010.
  Real version number: 4.83.376
  Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 17:00:47
  Setup MD5 hash: 72c8c2ac7d0dbbf4e35c44d31135df83
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
  This is the version people might get from the website at a later point (I'm unsure). It does not contain the toolbar, instead it has the Ask.com sponsor.
  All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.

Auto-update version
  Real version number: 4.83.376
  Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 17:05:08
  Setup MD5 hash: d9d7125daebdbdf53e812a7e758a4538
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
  This is the the version people get when they do an auto-update at this time of writing. It does not contain the toolbar, instead it has the Ask.com sponsor.
  All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.

Manual-update version
  Real version number: 4.83.376
  Setup compiled on 15 Jan 2010 17:21:23
  Setup MD5 hash: 1db44dc0e1da33fdc0e0b5937ff0cb5c
  Setup Filename: MsgPlusLive-483.exe
  About box shows: build 376 - released on 24/12/09
  This is the version people get when they do a manual update (command /checkupdates) at this time of writing. It does not contain the toolbar, instead it has the Cid Sponsor.
  All the core Plus! files are identical to previous release (build from 24 dec 2009). Only the setup has changed.





If people have other versions (eg: the 373 build) or some other subversion of the same build number as listed above, you can always contact me
Note: version numbers have never been a good indentification since they are not always updated. You must check several parameters to see if you actual have the same version or not (eg: MD5 hash).

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
It's not that confusing though as there has always been a difference between the auto-update one and the one from the website when a new release is published.

So it is probably done on purpose to 'test' out this new version with toolbar before everybody gets auto-updated. So, most likely the auto-update file will be updated soonish. Patchou has always taken this approach in the past too, to spread the load on the server.

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The auto-update file *is* updated though and pushing out .376, but another .376 than on the download page. Which is something different than usual where auto-update wouldn't notify anybody until one or two weeks after release, at which point auto-update would serve the same file as the download page.

I guess it comes down to the same thing if they change auto-update in 1 or 2 weeks to serve the toolbar version too. But atm it's still pretty confusing, certainly for people who don't realize auto-update, /checkupdates, and the download page are 3 separate things.

Not having a changelog doesn't help either. IMO every time you bug users with an auto-update notification and/or change the build number on the download page people should be able to see what changed. No matter if it's only the sponsoring or tiny changes.


/me considers keeping an archive of releases again (including the silent ones)

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Originally posted by Menthix
I guess it comes down to the same thing if they change auto-update in 1 or 2 weeks to serve the toolbar version too. But atm it's still pretty confusing, certainly for people who don't realize auto-update, /checkupdates, and the download page are 3 separate things.

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yeah, I just checked more closely and there are actually 4 versions! Where one can't be downloaded directly at the moment since its link is not published anywhere. This is the version you normally download from the website, but with the Ask.com sponsor (see previous post).

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Originally posted by Menthix
Not having a changelog doesn't help either. IMO every time you bug users with an auto-update notification and/or change the build number on the download page people should be able to see what changed. No matter if it's only the sponsoring or tiny changes.

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I couldn't agree more

Hehe, I see CookieRevised still is the man with the answers, and more detail than one could ever hope for
I'm wondering though, how do you even know about all these silent updates? Do you download Plus!'s setup everyday or something?

Thanks for your input guys!

Not really. It usually is just by accident or on a case-to-case basis, like now. I sure don't have all the setup versions that you could download in one way or the other (I whish ). However, checking regularly in an automated way has been the plan since a long time, but it never gets to that...

Since a very long time I'm 'working' on an elaborate version checker. But it never gets finished because each time I get somewhere and think I'm on the right track there are things which come to light (at least to 'my light' ) which further slows down the development (like now*) because it gets more and more complex to get all the possible versions in an automated way. Not to mention I really need to find a decent way to make sense of all the data and catalog all of them. And then there are also the private versions for the beta testers of course. And you don't want to overload the servers either with useless downloads you already got...

eg: Apparently you need to check 5 different links now to get 'all' possible compiled builds for a specific public release. 5 instead of 4, because there is still the old link too, but the version you'll find there is at the moment identical to the one pointed to by the website. Although both files are physically different files (as you could check by the returned server datetime).

* It was actually Menthix previous posts which rang my bell to also check the autoupdate and manualupdate methods. I never considered that they would link to even yet other compiled versions than the ones you can find via the website. And by investigating the links that the update feature uses I 'discovered' another working link with yet another version (4th one, the one with md5: 72c8c2…) which isn't available by normal means (doesn't mean it wouldn't be available soonish or 'by random' like some versions from the past in regards to the attached sponsor though).

The rest is just very boring and tedious analysis of the downloaded files.

so there's no need to install this new update?

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Originally posted by Schnappi
so there's no need to install this new update?

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It doesn't hurt either, in general I would recommend to always update.

interesting, i came onto the forums because i got the update notification and saw nothing on the change logs also.

will keep an eye on this thread for further news