Whoa calm down
Btw, i'm not a guy lol.
Arguing doesn't solve my problem, it was a
clean install of 2009 when i tested it, and also clean 8.5, i used the same setup file that i used on my PC, same way to change the version.
So changing to 2009 didn't fix the problem, it has to be something else. Maybe a conflicting program or windows live software.
I had to uninstall the windows live essentials that came with the laptop to get 8.5 to install.
Or maybe the plus processes aren't being loaded properly, on my PC sometimes when plus has an error i have to reboot to fix it so the software has loaded fully.
Internets: serious business.