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Originally posted by Choli
catalan's culture is the same as spanish'

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Nope: take a look at Torrente, there are lots of Españolitos but I don't know about any real Catalan Torrente .

Btw, dragonball, you should know that some Catalans cannot express themselves in Spanish. Some neither understand it. Although they are a minority, they have to be considered. But, tbh, you hardly need to be able to speak Spanish to live well in Catalonia.

And let's point out some things about dialects:

Dialects are exactly the same as their mother-languages. Any word in a dialect exists in the mother language. For example, Choli said quit is 'eixir' in Catalan, that's correct, but in Valencia, they're used say 'eixir' and in Catalonia we're used to say 'sortir' and sortir is accepted as 'central Catalan'. However, saying 'eixir' in Catalonia is correct as well. The same with 'açí' - 'aquí' (here).

Valencian is spelled as Catalan, but they are pronounced differently. (f.i., most assonant e and o are not pronounced as a and u in Valencian while they are in Catalan).

Some dialects wrongly pronounce words of the mother language:
Spanish: cansado, Andalusian: [cansao] (=tired)
German: gut, Berlinian: [jut] (=good)
...


So why are Valencians debating about Valencian being a language and not a dialect?
Easy, many words are slightly different from Catalan and thus wrong in Catalan.
Article el is lo (even written)
Verb forms like aparegui are apareixca (would appear)
...and so on.

It's up to you to define it a language or a dialect. It's actually both, as you can see.

I'm always happy that people like to learn Catalan, since many paople in Spain hate it.