It's a sad thing this "war" between two great communities. I for one have enough of this quarrel and want this to stop. I mean, for God's sake, both them are two of the greatest MSN related communities out there. If we were to stop this petty fighting and all got along, we would be forming the perfect unison of MSN communities yet. MSN Fanatic deals with programmining, whilst we (Messenger Plus!), deal with all the other MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger related content and support - without the presence of Mess.be's forums the burden of providing support for MSN software is layed upon us. In the end, we both deal with the same topics, same questions, same troubles etc.. why then, do we have to dislike each other? I mean, ok, half of you guys probably have no clue what I'm on about. But those of you that have seen how damaging these fights can be, why can't we just get along? I know it's not my right to judge anyone or anything, but it's in my honest opinion, that some of the members of this community have been immature and should grow up. Ridiculing and making degratory comments towards other members, not just MSN Fanatic members is not allowed on this community - so stop being little kids, grow up and adhere to the rules.
Without a doubt, everyone that uses MSN's software will greatly benefit from our peace. There are very talented and helpful individuals here and at MSN Fanatic and if we were to get along, maybe..just maybe, we could learn from each other and benefit from MSN Fanatic's knowledge as they may benefit than ours. If we continue to fight, Messenger Plus!'s reputation will go down, the software's support will degrade - because we are losing a large community's support and as a result, the amount of people that use Messenger Plus! will lower because Internet Wars can get bitter and people can so easily boycott Messenger Plus! as a result of this silly war. People don't care what they say or who they say it to, as you'll probably never see that person ever again in life and so will never have to deal with your actions against them. Just give it a try people, respect MSN Fanatic's members and they'll respect you. Topics like this never do any good. People like me will just come along and lecture you guys on how to behave as if they were your parents. I don't know if I'm considered a respected/senior member, but seeing as I've been here long enough to consider myself as one, I'm giving you my advise as a senior and respected member. Please just stop these petty quarrels, start over and let's improve both communities. Let's work hand in hand to make what could be, the best MSN related communities ever.
I'm sure no one wants to hold grudges against people they don't know. MSN Fanatic is a great community, I'm a part of it and at the same time Messenger Plus! is a great community too. Now although they did make inappropriate comments..etc..etc.. it's all in the past. Please, let's just start over - start from the beginning. Our main priority is to help others, right? Well, I'm pretty sure it's the same over at MSN Fanatic. All they want to do is help..so why don't we help each other, help other people =)?
Greenboy's right, if you set rules you should enforce them. By being overly nice to people they'll just see this and take advantage of the situation. People only go against the rules because they know that the staff aren't enforcing them very strongly. Most people just sit and laugh at the rules whenever someone reminds them of their existance. Here's another instance of this happening,
GiantSpider - I'm sure you are aware of the rules of this forum? If not, read them again. You have no right to go and insult people, even more so, it infringes the forum policy..technically..
[*]Respect: Members should respect others, and avoid making derogatory comments or giving rude treatment (flaming, for example). Also respect the privacy of others, and don't share their personal information without permission.
I know I'm not staff, but if no ones going to point out the rules and show people what they did wrong, I'll do it. You should be showing respect for ANY member, regardless who they are. Your comment about Greenboy is completely unacceptable, I doubt you expected to be lectured on this, but there you are. Please grow up and stop insulting people. You've had your fun and I'm sorry if you're the only one I've caught, but I've been too busy to be on these forums to "catch" anyone else
Most of you people think it's fine to swear, think it's fine to start fighting, think it's fine to spam. Well it's not. If you think it is, then please
read this (yes, they do exist). After you've done that, remember that because you are a devoted, old member of this community. It's your duty to set a good example for the new members that flow in daily. If the experienced members of this community were to take up a stand and set a good example for everyone, then I'm sure everyone else will follow suit (with the occasional trouble maker than any community gets every so often). If we want to make our precious community a better source of support, then we should start by changing ourselves and the way we respond to challenges, rudeness etc..., rather than making the new members model themselves to our "ways". Patchou has said it before, the best way to stop people from getting angry with you/showing no gratitude for your help is to smile and help them with a smile regardless of how they treat you on first "contact" and any other support calls following that.
If you've been banned or whatever by an MSN Fanatic please forgive them, I can't apologise on their behalf but we are all humans, we all get mad, we all make mistakes. The guys over there are cool, serious about their talents and nice..just give them a chance please..I'm sure they'll give you one too.
Anyway, I'm basically trying to tell you guys to give this peace between communities a try. No one should be branded and then disregarded from some places just because of their beliefs or what "side" they are on. If you are willing to try being at piece with MSN Fanatic, then you're moving on to make Messenger Plus! a better community. That is what we need right now, we're broken because the helpers/members keep getting annoyed at people who complain about the sponsor or at people who don't follow the rules, don't search or edit their posts..etc.. but most pressingly, we are broken because a number of our members are "our enemies", were, our enemies. Just because someone voices their opinion, it doesn't give you the right to flame them or attack them. They have a right to their opinion, remember that. Just kindly move them in the right direction and KINDLY inform them of their wrongs. By replying just the for the sole purpose of "settling the score" with sponsorware complainers, you are just further degrading the quality of this community.
Just think about what I've said (I probably made many mistakes or said some pointless crap, but oh well. That's life.), have an open mind towards this change and let it flow. See how it goes, please.
-EvilSeph,
evilseph-at-digital-fanatic.com Some rank at some place (Administrator @ Digital-Fanatic.com).
Messenger Plus! Helper and Critic
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