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Originally posted by Devilin
The reason I didn't mention it, was purely based upon assumption, I assumed that anybody visiting a how to uninstall page was having problems, therefore the sponsor program was installed, so sticking in some text saying, you wouldn't have had these problems if blar blar blar, wouldn't be helpful, and could just aggravate an already enraged person
Wrong assumption... Chrono meant in the first place that you should mention it is
optional, that's the important bit.
If you don't which to add
"if you didnt install it, blahblah" then fine. This indeed can be seen as putting more oil on the fire. But again stick to the facts: mentionning that the sponsor is optional is nothing more then a fact and will not make angry persons more angry and will certainly not insult your visitors...
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Originally posted by Devilin
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Originally posted by Patchou
Messenger Plus! and its sponsor are not combined in any way and even AVG doesn't detect them as is. What AVG detects is one of the files installed by the sponsor setup.
I'm not sure this is an entirely accurate statement Patchou
Again a wrong assumption of your part. If you don't believe it, did you even tried it yourself to find out? Patchou knows about what he's talking about, don't you think...
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Originally posted by Devilin
I'm sure the message plus program, and sponsor program were combined in the same zip file, and the installation of the programs themselves, was also combined in the same installation program
If you actually research and find out yourself, you will see that the setup of Messenger Plus! isn't detected by AVG. It is only when you've installed Messenger Plus! (and thus everything is "extracted") that AVG will give a warning about one of the sponsor files. (and if I may add: a warning which only the free scanner AVG gives. All other virusscanners do not detect it! Why? Because the warning from AVG is a false warning and is not correct; there is no trojan in the sponsor program)
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Originally posted by Devilin
I hope I didn't give the impression that I considered either message plus or its sponsor program as dangerous
Not realy, but some people might think so. But the main thing is that you post (wrong) assumptions instead of facts.
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Originally posted by Devilin
Patchou I'm sure you realize these problems will affect people, and blaming, either the user or the security programs, won't resolve this issue, it will just perpetuate it, leaving you and your uses in an awkward position, until you find the solution
The biggest problems are false assumptions and wrong information spread on the internet. If everybody would stick to facts there wouldn't be such big problems.
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If you're using any anti-Spyware products, that continuously scan, turn them off, you may wish to turn off any scanning software that may consider, messenger plus as a potential virus trojan spyware Addware, messenger plus doesn't contain harmful material, but conflicts may occur----disconnected yourself from the Internet if you do this, and turn them on before you re-connect to the Internet
At least fix your punctuation
it will make things much more clear for people:
"If you're using any anti-Spyware products, that continuously scan, turn them off. You may wish to turn off any scanning software that may consider messenger plus as a potential virus, trojan, spyware or addware. Messenger plus doesn't contain harmful material, but conflicts may occur."
Also this is of no use and doesn't make any sense:
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Disconnected yourself from the Internet if you do this, and turn them on before you re-connect to the Internet
why should people disconnect? There is no internet activity at all when you uninstall Plus! or it's sponsor. This line is of no use what-so-ever and is confusing and wrong information.
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1. re-Install Messenger Plus / msgplus / click yes to everything
In PM I've asked to add:
"1. re-Install Messenger Plus / msgplus with the sponsor program"
Why did you make it
"click yes to everything"? This may seem the same to you but it isn't. Agreeing to the sponsor isn't done by clicking "yes"; Yes to what? Agreeing with the sponsor or don't agreeing to the sponsor? You see, this is not the same. So can you change that to
"with the sponsor program".
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All Done, restart your computer, and turn on all scanning software before connecting to the Internet
This doesn't make sense and is also placed in a confussing way. You post the explaination of each image above the image and this line is beneath the last image. So do they need to restart their computer again? No... Furthermore, like said before, your connection to the internet has nothing to do with the (un)installing of Messenger Plus!, nor with the sponsor, nor with disabling scanning software. In short that line is not needed and very confusing.
If you whish to create an uninstall guide, stick to the facts and don't twist things around or don't make assumptions which are incorrect.
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Under the title " Rumor once installed, the sponsor program is extremely hard to remove " under the title facts it then proceeds to explain how easy it is to uninstall, and blames anti-Spyware programs for any problems that occur, and Patchou the programs author suggests you should make complaints to the anti Spyware programs, about only partly installing the messenger plus program, Patchou neglects to mention, the unusual security code box, in the uninstall procedure, designed to ensure only humans and not other programs uninstall messenger plus making it virtually impossible for any anti Spyware program to successful remove messenger plus, and if this unusual security measure was removed, the better anti Spyware programs would probably easily remove messenger plus,
Again, at least fix your punctuation (like what's up with all the comma's?) and gramar:
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Under the title "Rumor once installed, the sponsor program is extremely hard to remove" it proceeds to explain how easy it is to uninstall, and blames anti-spyware programs for any problems that occur. And Patchou, the programs author, suggests you should make complaints to the anti-spyware programs about only partly uninstalling the messenger plus sponsor. Patchou neglects to mention the unusual security code box in the uninstall procedure, designed to ensure only humans and not other programs uninstall messenger plus's sponsor. Making it virtually impossible for any anti-spyware program to successful remove messenger plus' sponsor. And if this unusual security measure was removed, the better anti-spyware programs would probably easily remove messenger plus' sponsor."
Also note that not one single anti-spyware program attempts to remove Messenger Plus!. Even if you insist in putting this personal opinion about Patchou's "propoganda" on your page, at least get the facts strait. Facts which even the anti-spyware programs and their makers don't question.
If you wish to express your concearns and believes about Patchou's "propganda", at least get the unquestionable facts strait.
And another note why this section of your page isn't quite valid:
Another one of those facts is that it is _not_ the security box that is limiting the anti-spyware programs to succesfully remove the sponsor. Even if it was not there, the anti-spyware program will still not be able to uninstall the sponsor for the sole reason that those anti-spyware programs do not execute external programs and will never do for obvious security reasons. To remove the sponsor, a program _needs_ to execute the uninstall procedure as that is the only way to delete the random named files that may be created by the sponsor.
We are not here to censor your page, or to alter your views. You have every right to post your own opinions, like everybody else. The only thing we wish is that things put on pages like yours is accurate and isn't based upon assumptions which, after you properly research them, turn out to be wrong.
You came here to ask if the page is good. We didn't flame and cursed you, but only pointed out the mistakes you've made. Think about it in another way: If your page was valid and totaly correct, we can use it to link to it if users have problems, which would also benefit you as you have google ads on your page. But we wont use it if it contains false assumptions and suggestive information.
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