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So how does John know God thinks about it that way? It's not like he met him 
1. John is one of Jesus' disciples who faithfully followed Him.
He was even mentioned that he is the closest person to Jesus.
2. When the event took place (in John 20:29), there were all Jesus' disciples.
I meant that the book was written in ~110 AD
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And about Jezus: I don't get it. He's "the son of God", so if he's the son of God, he must be atleast a half-god (like a greek heroos). But Christianity is monetheistic :confused: So, therefore, Jezus == God?
Exactly. Jesus was God who incarnated into human.
Honestly, I'm happy when you got this conclusion.
You know there are many people who cannot get this conclusion.
A good way of thinking for a 13-year old boy 
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Well, they can't get to that conclusion, because it contradicts with
John 20:17. Jezus says he's going back to his father, who is God. So Jezus can't be God.. It's all weird with Christianity being monotheistic (the angels are sort of like super-natural to, just like Satan)
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Anyway, I don't believe in God. I'm not going to worship someone who holds sons responsible for what their fathers did!
Hmm...
This would be a quite long explanation, but this is the core of Christianity.
From that passage, you see that how God hates sinners.
And we all are sinners.
So he hates us all? Then why doesn't he destroy the world
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Even if you only did one little mistake, you have sinned.
Because God wants a perfect score, just like you want a straight A on your report card, or you want a non-defect video game console.
You might say, "Oh, there's no way that I am sinner. I have not ever killed an ant."
But, if you know that you could help someone, but you don't help him/her, you have sinned. For example, you know your mom needs you to wash the dishes, but you don't want to do it, you have sinned.
That's why Jesus took our punishments that we should bear on the cross, and paid it full.
I wasn't talking about sin, but about sons paying the price for their fathers sin, which sounds ridiculous to me, but not to God. Therefore, I don't like God.
Something nice I once read at some atheists' site, was that Jezus' sacrifice isn't really much of a sacrifice. When he died, he went back to heaven. And heaven ==
, so for Jezus, dieing wasn't so bad. Now consider an atheist giving his life for someone else. Wouldn't that be a greater offer? The atheist goes to hell to burn forever, because he doesn't believe. Jezus can get back to living in the clouds.
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If Jezus == God, John 20:29 is contradicting John 1:18
Of course not. Jesus was in human form. You drew the conclusion before.
You just said, Jezus == God. So by seeing Jezus, you see God, since they're one and the same person according to you.
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And how about Job 39:13-14? All bibles have another meaning for it, so there *sure are* serious translation issues
What about it? What do you mean that they have another meaning?
From the list, select another bible. Alot of the texts are different.
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13 "The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
but they cannot compare with the pinions and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
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13"The ostriches' wings flap joyously
With the pinion and plumage of [a]love,
14For she abandons her eggs to the earth
And warms them in the dust,
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13"The ostrich flaps her wings futilely--
all those beautiful feathers, but useless!
14She lays her eggs on the hard ground,
leaves them there in the dirt, exposed to the weather,
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13The wings of the ostrich wave proudly, [but] are they the pinions and plumage of love?
14The ostrich leaves her eggs on the ground and warms them in the dust,
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13"The ostrich flaps her wings grandly, but they are no match for the feathers of the stork. 14She lays her eggs on top of the earth, letting them be warmed in the dust.
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thekid, don't you think it's weird that the Christians see Sunday as the "special" day? Because it's really Saturday that is "holy"..
And God clearly says what to do on Saturdays
No, not at all.
Sabbath, if it is translated litterally from Hebrew, means Saturday. Jews and Some Christian observe Sabbath on Saturday while most of them observe it on Sunday as a commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus.
Churches usually have both services on Saturdays and Sundays.
Yes, but my father, when he was a kid, had to go to school at Saturdays. Since ~90% of the Dutch population (just a guess, I have no stats) was Christian back then, they were doing something wrong by going to school at Saturdays
