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Originally posted by PlusFan
I meant that the book was written in ~110 AD
It was written in 80-95 AD. So the write, John, who was Jesus' disciple, was still alive. And the last book in Bible written in 96.
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Originally posted by PlusFan
Well, they can't get to that conclusion, because it contradicts with John 20:17. Jezus says he's going back to his father, who is God. So Jezus can't be God.. It's all weird with Christianity being monotheistic (the angels are sort of like super-natural to, just like Satan)
Mind if I add the same "fact" like the passage you gave and even it is more "powerful" to show that Jesus is not God?
Take a look at
John 14:28.
Whoa, Jesus even said, "the Father is greater than I."
In His humanity, Jesus had made Himself temporarily "lower than the angels" (
Hebrew 2:9). In the state of humiliation, He could speak of the Father being greater than He. He said that when He was in human form.
Satan
was an angel, a fallen angel to be exact, named Lucifer. Actually, he was also an archangel, the highest order among all angels, along with Michael and Gabriel.
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Originally posted by PlusFan
I wasn't talking about sin, but about sons paying the price for their fathers sin, which sounds ridiculous to me, but not to God. Therefore, I don't like God.
Something nice I once read at some atheists' site, was that Jezus' sacrifice isn't really much of a sacrifice. When he died, he went back to heaven. And heaven == 
, so for Jezus, dieing wasn't so bad. Now consider an atheist giving his life for someone else. Wouldn't that be a greater offer? The atheist goes to hell to burn forever, because he doesn't believe. Jezus can get back to living in the clouds.
Of course it is ridiculous to you. Sometimes it is ridiculous to me too. And I still think that you did not give a nice example how "ridiculous" God is.
Here we go.
Jesus even cursed a tree.
Did the tree make any mistake? You know the answer.
Why do you, or we, think that it is ridiculous?
Because our minds have been distorted with sin.
We see things with our own values, not God's which are holy.
There's a huge, giant, enermous, gigantic difference between Jesus giving His life and an atheist does the same.
Jesus is holy. He took the punishments on our place.
What does an atheist give his/her life for?
He is also a sinner.
All of us are sinners.
If a serial murder saved you from bullets, were you gonna worship him?
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Originally posted by PlusFan
You just said, Jezus == God. So by seeing Jezus, you see God, since they're one and the same person according to you.
Correct.
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Originally posted by PlusFan
From the list, select another bible. Alot of the texts are different.
Wow, you did your homework, didn't you?
You don't need to give a certain verse, because
almost all words are different depending on the versions.
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Originally posted by PlusFan
Yes, but my father, when he was a kid, had to go to school at Saturdays. Since ~90% of the Dutch population (just a guess, I have no stats) was Christian back then, they were doing something wrong by going to school at Saturdays
I believe all policies in your country belong to your country.
I think I said it clearly that most Christians observe Sunday as Sabbath. Don't you think the other ~10% might be in the board also?
Btw, it's "Jesus," not "Jezus."
You should value other's name by writing it correctly because you have known which one is the right one.
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Originally posted by NoName
Religion is a very contrevertial topic and nobody's mind will be changed by arguing.
Exactly. That's why I am only answering his questions to give him more information.
Edit:Oops, forgot to answer your another question
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Originally posted by PlusFan
So he hates us all? Then why doesn't he destroy the world 
lol
He would have done long long time ago if He wanted it.
You know the Flood, don't you?
He did it once (destroying all things), but He promised He would never do that again.
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