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Originally posted by Poom
Typical users won't know Ctrl+Esc. OK, think about it, majority of Plus!'s users are not registerred to the forums and won't bother finding every shortcuts. Most teen agers, at least the ones I know, don't even know many options in Plus! because they don't bother looking for the ones that are not visualized.
This is already known and discussed. But these users won't bother either to close all the tabs at once and adding another button will only confuse them more. Also the shortcuts are clearly stated to the left of their menu accesses and/or on the tooltips. There is no need to go on the net and do some research. Also, people used to shortcuts will notice they are standard, like Ctrl+(shift+)Tad, a combination that is used by the majority of tabbed applications to navigate across them. People who don't know about this, won't bother using the mouse as this is what they do mostly. If they are ever are interested in anything as complex as detaching conversations they will try context menues and discover ways to achieve it. But this feature is not a high priority. Usual users will whether use grouped convos or not grouped at all and not a mixture. The girlie you mention will probably not bother using grouped convos. If she does, then she has the capacity to detach them using menues or shortcuts.
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Originally posted by Poom
So, have you got my point yet?
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Originally posted by KeyStorm
I understand your points, but still it doesn't make sense to bloat the interface with buttons.
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Originally posted by Poom
80% would not know those shortcuts and would not try to use them
How about reading with more attention. The great majority of this 80% you mention (that I don't argue at all, it's probably even more user who don't know about shortcuts) will not bother using advanced functionalities of tabbed conversations. They will probably find them geek or useless. If, I repeat, some of them become interested in using them, they will discover how to and will learn the shortcut or will use the menu. No one is expecting users to already know the shortcuts. Shortcuts are stated to the left orf their menu options. If someone feels as used to that feature as to use shortcuts, trust me they will learn them. If they don't they can still use the menu entry. I've been testing beta's for more than 2 years now and I can tell you the less buttons are added, the better the impact on the girlie-user.
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Originally posted by Poom
I can pretty much guess that you are most likely around the 30+ users
And I can pretty much tell you are wrong.
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Originally posted by Poom
Well... maybe it talking to two people (or more) at the same time is very rare for you, but not for those who spend their time to CHAT, yes, those girls.
Heh, I'm pretty sure I've IMed more and longer than you.
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Originally posted by Poom
If you hate those buttons so much, there could be, in preference, options to disable those buttons, though I actually find them very useful in many situations.
I'm not so immature to think only for myself. I'd even use thos buttons, probably. But I'm telling you most users will feel sick and confused if that much is added. Actually we could add all sorts of functions to the GUI. Like, why not add fixed buttons for formatting?
Or A direct button to the preferences? Or buttons for scheduler, quoter, Come-back messages, perso status...?
It doesn't make any sense!
So please, I've heard and understood your points, it's time for you to consider listening to mine.
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