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Originally posted by Poom
No, I am not the person who is not reading your posts, you guys are the people who are not reading my posts. See the quotes above. You guys are being plain ignorant at what I am saying and say something totally irrelevant.
Be very sure that we (testers) _do_ read whole threads (if we don't, we say so) and understand posts very good and quick. The thing is that we also immediatly see beyond what is suggested, what the consequences are of some suggestions, etc. We don't stare blindly on the suggestion only, we immediatly see further then that (and that's the difference between a reply with "I like this" and the replies you got).
Thus it is exactly about that what KeyStorm and the others were telling you about. So, please don't accuse KeyStorm and the others for not reading and what not! They understand your points very well, in fact they may understand it better then you do (in a way) as they do have access to the beta's and the knowledge of the whole picture (as adding a feature is _never_ an easy streat forward job; there are always things you need to take in concideration). Also, the testers consist of people who know what they are talking about when it comes to (G)UI's and making something userfriendly, they know how both new users and experienced users interract with a program, in fact some are even professional designers of these things...
This not being ignorant or even irrelevant at all.
If you want to accuse us of something, then you can only accuse us of immediatly beginning to talk about all the underlying stuff and consequences of suggestions etc, instead of simply stating "I like this" or "I don't like it" without any arguments or whatever. If you interpret that as not reading and not listening (as this is how this discussion started), then I'm sorry to say it, but then you're wrong.
Anyways, back to the subject...
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Originally posted by Poom
I suggested 3 buttons, while you guys are talking about buttons and shortcuts, which are irrelevant.
They are certainly not irrelevant. This is one of the things I talked about above; those are things which we think about immediatly if you add such buttons. They go hand in hand...
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Originally posted by Poom
From seeing the responds of other members here, I can say that they like the idea.
Liking something and seeing the bigger picture of something being added are totally two different things. And if I may be so blunt, non-testers have, in this case, not the knowledge to talk about/see all the consequences of this as they don't have access to the latest private beta's (where things are already different than in the leaked beta you based your suggestion on).
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Originally posted by Poom
If you read my posts with such attention, then you would know that I want 3 buttons, not buttons to format, buttons to change status, and so on.
If you think beyond your simple suggestion then this is what it is going to be. People will "demand" for more buttons. Buttons which are far less usefull. There is a line to be drawn. And that line is currently no extra buttons with doubtfull usefullness.
And about those buttons:
1) the add contact buttons is pretty useless, double clicking on the tray icon opens your contactlist and from there you can choose whoever you want _and_ in the way you want it sorted and viewed. This can't be achieved by the method you mentionned. And there wont be an extra dialog be made especially for this, as it will be nothing more then a stripped down contactlist on its own, making it again pretty useless and double work (unless a second contactlist is made, which is obviously double work for nothing).
2) the ungroup/group buttons aren't needed also as this will be achieved directly with the mouse. And you also have shortcuts and a context menu you can use. Because of these available ways, adding buttons aren't nessecairly needed and thus it would only make the GUI bloated and confusing.
3) the close buttons aren't needed also. The standard close button (the cross) will simply keep its function. This is the most logical and most intuitive way. Closing all tabs together isn't something which will be done many times (in fact, very rarely) and thus adding a button especially for that is not needed. Furthermore, it will make the chance of accidently closing all convo's very big. Thus, not user friendly at all.
4) The arrows, to navigate, or of course already there.
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Originally posted by viper2681
On a side note: Demanding a lock when a person feels a thread is spiraling out of control (which, I may add, this thread was), then the thread does in fact need to be locked. This is coming an Administrator of two forums, and a Moderator of three, with ties to people that have been PAID to be operators of IRC channels. It is not immature to do so at all, it would be called 'Stopping the fight before it starts' in this case.
It is mostly in the way he asked it. Demanding is not something you do on a board and especially not when you're new or in such a situation like this. It could have been asked in normal friendly manner...
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