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RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal?
For those of you who are saying you are allowed to break into somebody's house because they are in danger you are actually incorrect. You will always need the person in possession of the land (be it through fee simple or lease) to grant you permission to enter the land (this is known as a fee simple).

Ambulance workers, firefighters, electrical board members and all other people who do legally enter your land actually have a statute granted easement onto your land which gives them permission to enter your land while performing their duty (to cut a long story short).

At least that is the case in Australia; the only thing which would change this in any common law (deriving from the British legal system) jurisdiction is statute which says otherwise. But on a side note, the person in possession would be pretty cruel to sue you for saving their life and in any case would probably receive only nominal damages of $1.

Oh yes, and the mere act of picking another person's lock is clearly illegal provided you don't have permission. This is because you would be commiting conversion. That is, performing an act to a chattel (a thing) which is adverse to the owner's possession of that chattel.

And if that wasn't clear enough, in the statute you quoted actually spells it out. Let me translate it to layman terms,
If you don't have a good legal excuse (which can be proved by anything you have on your person), This might allow you to break into somebody's house to save their life. But why pick the lock and waste precious time when you could smash the window and get in there quicker

have any object which is capable of breaking a lock on a house, vehicle, vault or safe; Yes, this includes say a screwdriver or even a paper clip

and it is reasonable to see that the object has previously been used, or is to be used to break into a lock This is probably the part of the test that would fail for say a screwdriver, but if there is proof that the screwdriver you are using was used to break into somebody's lock (I can't see how you reasonably can infer that somebody holding a screwdriver will in the future break into a lock)

then it is illegal and indictable offence for which you can be jailed for upto ten years although that would obviously depend on how serious the crime is. If the US/Canada is anything like Australia you would probably get a slap on the wrist punishment
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Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 09:37 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-27-2005 at 09:39 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by user27089 on 11-27-2005 at 09:42 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Lou on 11-27-2005 at 09:43 PM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 09:50 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-27-2005 at 09:53 PM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 10:09 PM
RE: RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by CookieRevised on 11-27-2005 at 10:38 PM
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 10:52 PM
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by CookieRevised on 11-27-2005 at 11:11 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Stigmata on 11-27-2005 at 09:57 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-27-2005 at 09:59 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Lou on 11-27-2005 at 10:10 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 10:14 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by matty on 11-27-2005 at 10:31 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Negro_Joe on 11-27-2005 at 10:34 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by matty on 11-27-2005 at 10:39 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by dotNorma on 11-27-2005 at 10:40 PM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 10:56 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by kittymew on 11-27-2005 at 11:05 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 11:13 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by CookieRevised on 11-27-2005 at 11:24 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 11:26 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by CookieRevised on 11-27-2005 at 11:28 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by ShawnZ on 11-27-2005 at 11:30 PM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by CookieRevised on 11-27-2005 at 11:37 PM
RE: RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 11:39 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 11:32 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Menthix on 11-27-2005 at 11:35 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by CookieRevised on 11-27-2005 at 11:42 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Lou on 11-27-2005 at 11:42 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 11:44 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-27-2005 at 11:44 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by CookieRevised on 11-27-2005 at 11:44 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Menthix on 11-27-2005 at 11:46 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-27-2005 at 11:47 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by illuzn on 11-28-2005 at 02:04 AM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-28-2005 at 03:19 AM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by illuzn on 11-28-2005 at 04:38 AM
RE: RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-28-2005 at 04:53 AM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Snake on 11-28-2005 at 04:08 AM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by qgroessl on 11-28-2005 at 04:19 AM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by YottabyteWizard on 11-28-2005 at 04:41 AM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by illuzn on 11-28-2005 at 04:58 AM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by John Anderton on 11-28-2005 at 08:19 AM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-28-2005 at 03:58 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by linx05 on 11-28-2005 at 11:00 AM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-28-2005 at 02:16 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-28-2005 at 02:43 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by M73A on 11-28-2005 at 03:42 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Nathan on 11-28-2005 at 03:56 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by linx05 on 11-28-2005 at 04:11 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Nathan on 11-28-2005 at 04:20 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-28-2005 at 07:28 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Negro_Joe on 11-28-2005 at 07:41 PM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-28-2005 at 07:53 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-28-2005 at 07:58 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-28-2005 at 08:08 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Plik on 11-28-2005 at 08:14 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-28-2005 at 08:18 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Plik on 11-28-2005 at 08:20 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-28-2005 at 08:25 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Plik on 11-28-2005 at 08:26 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Jhrono on 11-28-2005 at 08:34 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Plik on 11-28-2005 at 08:52 PM
RE: RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by thc2010 on 11-28-2005 at 10:43 PM
RE: Lockpicking - Legal or illegal? - by Pipish on 11-30-2005 at 07:21 AM


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