Shoutbox

Hello,

Im not sure this belongs in this category, but I couldn't find any other category to post it in.

Anyways, in the current version on MsgPlus! you can only let someone else know you have Plus! by doing one of the commands, or /ping.

However, considering the growing population of "bots" on Messenger's network, it might be an idea to send a special formatted header over the IM session to notify everyone,  including bots you can receive Plus, or of course, cannot (Maybe include a small list of features enabled?).

I'm sure a lot of people in the bot community, including myself, would be quite thankfull for this, seeing we can then determine if we can use Plus! with that specific user, or if we cannot.

Another handy thing about this, that normal users can get notified that the other doesn't have Plus! so it's useless to use those features in the IM session.

Just an example of such an header might be:

MSG <id> N <length>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: application/msgplus

Features: <bitwised feature string>

The bitwised feature sting can work like MSN's bitwising, which surely isn't hard to do in C (as I assume MsgPlus is written in C or a similar language).

Thanks!

Hmmm... has some potential. And it doesn't invade people privacy I think. I like it on the condition that people without Plus! wouldn't see a thing. I mean they wouldn't get any message appearing all the time.
(and that you can turn it off of course)

If that's possible it's a great suggestion. But I'm afraid of there being any MSN-protocol violation...
Anyway, nice enough to give it a try

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Originally posted by siebe
seeing we can then determine if we can use Plus! with that specific user, or if we cannot.

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send a /ping command and you'll get the answer...
if you want to do that in a bot, the exact thing you have to send is:

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Ping? [msgplus]

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you can also add a command in your bot so the user can decide if he wants to receive plus "features" or not. Maybe at some moment, the user wants to receive sounds but if it's too late at night he doesn't want to. so the user just says "!plus on" or "!plus off" to the bot (or whatever syntax you use)

about the header, that's too much work for Patchou, because plus doesn't work at that level (with the protocol directly).

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Originally posted by siebe
as I assume MsgPlus is written in C or a similar language

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Plus is done in VC++ 7.1

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Originally posted by siebe
it might be an idea to send a special formatted header over the IM session to notify everyone,

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if you want to notify your contacts, can't you just say "I'm using plus"?

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Originally posted by siebe
Another handy thing about this, that normal users can get notified that the other doesn't have Plus! so it's useless to use those features in the IM session.

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just the same... just type /ping and you'll know it you can use plus features or not.

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
But I'm afraid of there being any MSN-protocol violation...

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that may be a real problem, also if you change what is being sent, ie:

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Originally posted by siebe
MSG <id> N <length>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: application/msgplus

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maybe the server doesn't know how to handle that or the client at the other end.

Oh, don't worry about the server alright, it can handle just about everything.. It doesn't care about what kind of packets are send, as long as the official client can read them, if the content type is unknown to it, it will kind of, discard the message and not show anything.

About the violation.. MsgPlus is already violating (in a way) MS's policies.

About the plus setting thing, or /ping or whatever.. I know that is possible,  but then we have to keep track of every user, check if they use it or not.. if not set, send them a ping, or send them a ping anyway cause they could be on any computer, anywhere on this damn planet.

And I don't know about you, but I find it quite irritating when I meet someone who for example doesn't have plus, and I have to find out the hard way. I can ask that person, or I could find out by him/her responding like "I can't see that", but wouldn't it be much easier that messenger/plus would automaticly detect that? Just to let you know, I talk to nearly 1000 DIFFERENT people each month.

Also, I'm sure it won't be THAT hard to dig a bit deeper and tap into the socket. It has been been done by many small plugins, why not Plus? Or does it already? I don't know about you, but to my knowledge I don't see any messages appearing in my textbox which are automaticly send on for example /ping... It has to come from SOMEWHERE, which indicates it already uses the socket directly.

i heard of the idea of putting a plus! icon like the webcam one, that would be rather simple and useful!

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Originally posted by Pappapishu
i heard of the idea of putting a plus! icon like the webcam one, that would be rather simple and useful!

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yeqh but i do't know why it's not being added

well now with the 3rd version comming up it could be thought again

It's a violation of protocol and a violation of privacy. If bots want to know if you have Plus!, they can always send you a ping .

Note: and no, Plus! is not violating any Messenger "rules", it's 100% legal (if it was not, Microsoft would already have send me a letter, as they did with Trillian and the others).

Patchou

I do not see why it's a violation of someone's privacy to be honoust. To give you an example.. Let's say you go the local grocer, and buy banana's.. Everyone in that grocer knows you got banana's.. And it's not like you put them under your jacket "cause you want no one to know you are going to buy banana's".

But ok, I can understand you might find it a violation of the protocol..

Anyway's, it was only an idea, I just thought to suggest it

but, it could be like the wabcam thing, there could be the choice of letting people know through the icon or disable it!