Shoutbox

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Originally posted by h3LLf1r3 in this thread
Hello, I recently got into some trouble because of logs taken by Messenger Plus. I had absolutely no idea that it was taking logs, since I had never turned that on and I didn't think it would be on by default.

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I think h3LLf1r3 is not the only one who encountered this problem, that is, people are generally not aware of Messenger Plus! is logging their conversations by default. And the number of Messenger users who don't bother to read Messenger Plus! configuration wizard is not small. I know people who installed Messenger Plus! in order only to read their friends conversations, so Plus!'s this feature, or not this feature but enabling it by default for new users is something wrong which may make people hate Messenger Plus! So my suggestion is either disabling it fo new users by default, and if they want to enable it, let them do from Configuration Wizard when it is launched when user first signed-in or from Preferences. My second suggestion is, removing that Chat Logging item from Configuration Wizard and make a system like WLM does for new users.

First rule of installing a new program: go through all the options.

Its also already asked in the configuration wizard, which shows up every first time a user signs in on a Plus! enabled Messenger.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns

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Originally posted by h3LLf1r3 in this thread
Hello, I recently got into some trouble because of logs taken by Messenger Plus. I had absolutely no idea that it was taking logs, since I had never turned that on and I didn't think it would be on by default.

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I think h3LLf1r3 is not the only one who encountered this problem, that is, people are generally not aware of Messenger Plus! is logging their conversations by default.

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I think you should be aware of what your doing. Especially when installing a new program. When you update the program you get used the features and you know what your doing.

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Originally posted by ahmetgnsAnd the number of Messenger users who don't bother to read Messenger Plus! configuration wizard is not small.

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People should read it. In fact sometimes I take extra time to read the configuration wizard. In fact maybe you should tell them to read it.

its the users fault so you cant blame MP for what happened. like HSC said, READ what it says, check things twice, mistakes are always avoidable.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
And the number of Messenger users who don't bother to read Messenger Plus! configuration wizard is not small.

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You have access to Patchou's statistics?

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
enabling it by default for new users is something wrong which may make people hate Messenger Plus!

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Hating Plus! for logging a conversation is absolutely stupid. It only takes one click to turn chat logging off. This is not like some deep registry setting or completely hidden automatic feature which is impossible to change.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
So my suggestion is either disabling it fo new users by default, and if they want to enable it, let them do from Configuration Wizard when it is launched when user first signed-in or from Preferences. My second suggestion is, removing that Chat Logging item from Configuration Wizard and make a system like WLM does for new users.

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Contradiction again. First you say let them change it in the Config Wizard, next you say remove it from the Config Wizard.

And in regards to removing it from the Config Wizard: Why???? This is the *number*th suggestion you make to actually remove a userfriendly feature from Plus! which make it easy for people do understand how to use Plus!, just because you or one of your friends don't bother to read what they do.

It is not because you or some of your friends don't bother to read something when they install a program, that such a thing is useless and should be removed all together. That completely doesn't make any sense.

There are already problems enough because people don't bother to read something. Encouraging such behaviour will only make things worse. People should learn to read stuff when they install something or when they start using something. The others who replied here are very correct regarding this.

Also, I dunno what you mean by "making a system like WLM does for new users" as WLM doesn't have any 'system for new users'...

Stick to your original suggestion: disable chat logging by default, which is the only sensible thing to do here (and the only thing which I agree upon). That should be all, not removing anything, not changing other options, not adding 'systems like WLM', nothing more... Anything else you've suggested in this regards doesn't make any sense.


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And when talking about numbers: the people who come here and complain or didn't know that Plus! logs chats by default and don't know how to change it, is very extremely small, suggesting that this actually isn't a big problem.

A lot of peopel actually install Plus! for the chat logging option and the configuration wizard was made clean and simple exactly so that most people would check it out.

Note that to protect people's privacy when using a public computer, the latest versions of Messenger Plus! do not enable chat logging by default is the current account is a Guest account.

Well, I must clarify something here again.

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Originally posted by Patchou
A lot of peopel actually install Plus! for the chat logging option

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
I know people who installed Messenger Plus! in order only to read their friends conversations, so Plus!'s this feature, or not this feature but enabling it by default for new users is something wrong which may make people hate Messenger Plus!

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If people don't read Config Wizard or explore MsgPlus! preferences, should Plus! punish them by logging their chats at the background like a spyware. No, MsgPlus! can't and mustn't be such a program. Quote: "Messenger Plus! is freeware. Freeware is neither spyware nor shareware just freeware."
OK, lets keep Chat Logging option in Configuration Wizard, but lets make it a two-optioned item. I mean such an item in Config Wizard;

Chat Logging-
      Messenger Plus! can keep your chat logs better than original WLM.

o Yes, save my chat logs     o No, don't save my chat logs.

And thus, if user doesn't read Config Wizard or someone disabled it from registry on a computer to pop-up when first sign-in, then a second window may pop-up for only ask for this Chat Logging when closing a chat window like WLM does. Then users have to opt for an item in that small window, either Save or Don't save. Because there won't be an option to close that window unless they opt for one, I mean no X on window and OK button is disabled until user opts for one.

Also if you find this way of Chat Logging of MsgPlus! useful, I claim that there is something wrong again here and I consider it as a bug. What is that? you find it please.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
If people don't read Config Wizard or explore MsgPlus! preferences, should Plus! punish them by logging their chats at the background like a spyware.

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Please do not compare Plus! with spyware like that!!!!! There is nothing abnormal about the current situation. Nothing is hidden in the background or obscured or difficult at all. The only thing people need to do is READ what pops up on their screen, they even don't need to click anything first.

As Patchou said the Config Wizard is very clear and simple in this. And even the Preferences are easy understandable.

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Originally posted by ahmetgns

OK, lets keep Chat Logging option in Configuration Wizard, but lets make it a two-optioned item. I mean such an item in Config Wizard;

Chat Logging-
      Messenger Plus! can keep your chat logs better than original WLM.

o Yes, save my chat logs     o No, don't save my chat logs.

And thus, if user doesn't read Config Wizard or someone disabled it from registry on a computer to pop-up when first sign-in, then a second window may pop-up for only ask for this Chat Logging when closing a chat window like WLM does. Then users have to opt for an item in that small window, either Save or Don't save. Because there won't be an option to close that window unless they opt for one, I mean no X on window and OK button is disabled until user opts for one.

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No, no and no.

The option is already extremely clear and simple. Why must everything always change and be made far more complicated? There is absolutely nothing wrong with how the option is presented, neither in the Config Wizard, neither in the preferences.

What you suggest will make things a 1000 times more annoying, complicated and confusing to the user... not user-friendly in any way...

Again, if something should change it is only 1 registry setting (which sets the default state for chat logging; and which I also can agree upon, but not because of the same reasons as you), absolutely nothing more. If Patchou isn't going to change that, he certainly isn't going to mess up and mangle up the current user-friendly interface and method.

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Originally posted by Patchou
Messenger Plus! does not enable chat logging by default if the current account is a Guest account.

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anyways...

This feature has been around since what plus version? No one has ever complained about this... If people read the wizard this wouldn't happen People are not being punished by MsgPlus! nor Msg  Plus! is acting like some crap spyware. people are victims of their own lazyness or ignorance...