Shoutbox

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Originally posted by Guido
[netscape/mozilla]

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Am I wrong now saying that Avant is an application which makes IE better, but still uses IE?

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Yes. Avant is better than IE, but uses IE's rendering engine (mshtml.dll) to render pages.

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I mean that you're always saying "Don't use Opera! Use Avant!

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And where exactly did I say that?

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All those threads get deleted There have been a lot of browser-war threads. You're always saying that Avant is better than Opera 'cause it uses the IE engine.

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Opera is a great browser, which has since 7.0 an horrible bug that makes it impossible to run in any computer with many fonts or with Adobe's type manager installed, and therefore I have no chance of using it.

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I know about that, as I read the thread in the Opera forums about it.

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Firebox is too simple for me, and Mozilla is too complex.

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Very personal. But we were talking about Opera

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Avant has all the features I need, renders most pages correctly (because everyone is forced to make them compatible with IE), never caused me any security problems (even though IE is more targeted with attacks due to its user base, I never had any problem), runs fast, is customisable, etc. etc. etc.

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Wait! Wait! Wait! It isn't more targeted because of it's userbase! That's bullshit! You should read this (it isn't about browsers, but more about Linux & Mac OS <-> Windows in general): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

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I still hate IE because I'm a web developer and have to go through its bugs in a regular basis. Using another browser won't help with that, so I just use what I'm more comfortable with.

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It will help! If everyone (>95%) of people surfing the web will use standards-compliant browsers, it will be the same as now, with ppl not making standards-compliant pages. Then everyone will make standards-compliant pages. But if you're like "nah.. it won't matter anyway.. let me use this sucky IE", that won't happen! Promote standards-compliant browser to family, friends, everyone!

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No, I'm not lazy to switch, I tested and have installed in the same machine, and use regularly for testing pages:
-IE 6.0
-IE 5.0 SP2
-IE 4.0
-IE 3.0
-Firefox 0.8
-Mozilla 1.6+
-Opera 7.5

And I still prefer Avant. I also tried MyIE, and I prefer Avant.

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You prefer Avant because Opera has this horrible bug for you. But then you can still tell people "opera is great, but it doesn't work for me. Try if it does work for you". Opera 7.5 is really great!

maybe something more interesting would be "reasons to keep using IE" I can tell you, there aren't much

I use Firefox. it's faster, have tabs, block pop-ups, themes and extensions.

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Originally posted by Chaotic_Shield
Who here uses an alternative to IE? Please also post your reasons.

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IE is most commonly used (I use it), but it's mainly because it comes with all Windows PCs (and is hard to remove), compatibility (most websites are designed to function and display best with IE), and ease of use (it browses the web, but hasn't got lots of extra features like Netscape for example).

Another plus is that it is built into the operating system so loads very quickly, and does not eat up system resource like many other browsers.

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Originally posted by Jordan2004

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Originally posted by Chaotic_Shield
Who here uses an alternative to IE? Please also post your reasons.

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IE is most commonly used (I use it), but it's mainly because it comes with all Windows PCs (and is hard to remove)

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That's actually bad, not good

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compatibility (most websites are designed to function and display best with IE)

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sadly enough, you're right

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and ease of use (it browses the web, but hasn't got lots of extra features like Netscape for example).

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Ease of use? Tabs really make browsing much easier and comfortable! i'm lovin' it!

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Another plus is that it is built into the operating system so loads very quickly, and does not eat up system resource like many other browsers.

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It does eat the resources! It is not a "plus" that it's built into the OS, because it's insecure and therefore makes the OS insecure, because it's integrated!

Opera has much more 'ease of use', and also loads very quickly.

i dont use ie and it doesnt stink what stupid reasons but i dont use ie cause i use firefox its sooo good!

what does using a different browser have to do with microsoft?

I use MYIE. I guess it is a perfect to browse internet.

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Originally posted by jackass_wanabe
what does using a different browser have to do with microsoft?

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IE is MS's. duh!

but still ?? ie isnt excatly everyones browser......

i use firefox

with 'Alternate Browsers', Chaotic_Shield means other browser than IE, which has >95% of the browser market.