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The major problem is IMO, is people who think their really good running a software like adaware and then using that to uninstall the spyware.

Since Messenger Plus is a normal piece of software, and so is the sponser software, why dont people do the logical thing and uninstall plus

The option that says "I refuse, do not install the sponsor program" (word for word) makes it look like it'll prevent installation if you click it, & since that'll stop most people clicking on it, they'll never find out that you can in fact install without LOP (the sponsor).

It'd be better if it said "I refuse, install Plus! without the sponsor program." This would help prevent confusion. As has been mentioned, people don't read license agreements, & so it is their own fault to a large degree if they don't want LOP & they get it, but when you see something that looks like it says you have to choose yes, you'll generally choose yes if you want Plus!.

Also, the sponsor license itself (which is the only one, so it looks at a glance like the one for Plus!) contains "IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT AND THE PRIVACY POLICY, YOU WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO INSTALL THE SOFTWARE." in it's preface, before it defines the "SOFTWARE" as being LOP, rather than Plus!

It's fine that it's there, but I really do reckon it should be clearer.

Fred Greg.

Please remove the automatic installation of 'aditional software'. All we want is Plus! and I know that you must make money... but there must be another way.

If I were coding a anti-spyware program, i'd put Plus! on the list of spyware. People don't like spyware, no one does. You're trying to get money the wrong way!!! I doubt if LOP actually makes much either.

Plus, LOP is almost impossible to get rid of. You can't easily kill some of its many processes (lol i know, Linux > Windows in this respect), so how is someone to remove this junk?

It's like a virus! Adaware DOES NOT REMOVE IT!

Also, someone might not be able to read English very well, and would install the spyware unkowingly! Perhaps they don't read it?

Please remove the tick out of the spyware installation box.

PATCHYOU, DO YOU USE THE SPYWARE PROGRAM YOURSELF?
I bet you don't. You are deliberatively tricking people into installing spyware. The spyware could actually be classed as a virus.

How do you feel about spreading viruses? I hope you hear from the law soon enough...

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
Please remove the automatic installation of 'aditional software'. All we want is Plus! and I know that you must make money... but there must be another way.

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No there isn't atm. Patchou have explained this many many times before why he choosed for this approach, search the forums.

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
If I were coding a anti-spyware program, i'd put Plus! on the list of spyware.

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The sponsor is not spyware, it is adware! Huge difference there!! You might want to check up on the difference before you attempt to write such a program. Furthermore, it is the sponsor which is adware, not Plus!

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
People don't like spyware, no one does. You're trying to get money the wrong way!!! I doubt if LOP actually makes much either.

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It gives him enough to live on and to develop Plus! further. Also, the wrong way? May I ask you a question? Did you pay for every piece of software on your PC (including all your downloaded songs)? I doubt it....

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
Plus, LOP is almost impossible to get rid of. You can't easily kill some of its many processes (lol i know, Linux > Windows in this respect), so how is someone to remove this junk?

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The sponsor is very easly uninstalled if you simply uninstall Plus!. And that would only take less then 5 minutes to do.

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
It's like a virus! Adaware DOES NOT REMOVE IT!

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It is nothing like a virus! Ad-aware doesn't remove it because Ad-aware is only a tool to track _some_ adware. Ad-ware isn't the holy grale. How can 1 program know every possible kind of adware/spyware and know how to exactly remove things? If such things were possible then Windows would not need a software-panel to uninstall programs. And programs would not need a uninstall procedure.

It strikes me that so many people trust software like ad-aware to completely uninstall things, while the logic and proper way is to execute the uninstall procedures of the program in question (and yes, that goes even for most adware! Yes, they even have uninstallers which completely remove the adware! So why is it so unlogic to use that once you found the adware?????????).....

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
Also, someone might not be able to read English very well, and would install the spyware unkowingly! Perhaps they don't read it?

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That's why the first paragraph of the sponsor agreement, and the whole setup (including the options to choose from) are translated when you install Plus! in another language!!

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
PATCHYOU, DO YOU USE THE SPYWARE PROGRAM YOURSELF?
I bet you don't.

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Yes he does use the searchbar!

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Originally posted by Bomber2k
The spyware could actually be classed as a virus.

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Get your facts strait.
1) it is adware...
2) adware is not spyware
3) spyware is not a virus

btw this should clear somethings up about the sponser program

http://shoutbox.menthix.net/showthread.php?tid=32230

I think that very valid points I've been made here, there's no poitn in keeping this thread opened, starting to compare the sponsorwith a virus is absurd. Please read the arguments other people on this forum are giving. As for the sponsor making money, may I remind you that duringthe first 6 months of 2004, Google made 1.6 BILLION in advertisement revenues? Of course, that's easy for them, everybody is happy to install their search bar, despite the fact that it's basic principles are exactly the same as the one from my sponsor: return sponsored results on top of the search page. I don't see Adaware trying to remove it by screwing up its files though.