Shoutbox

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Originally posted by NoMeN
i think the (optional) adaware should be removed. people just read the first part of the sentence: "I accept...." and click it. thats why so many people install all the adware... and then complain about msg plus!

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No, it should not be removed, as it is Patchou's only source (or one of his only soruces) of income. Without it, Messenger Plus! development stops.

Now, changed a bit, that's a different story... o.o

A donation button existed a long time ago. But it was taken off because over a few years time only some people donated. But it was in total even hardly a month's salery (old threads about this still exist I think)...

A donation button (aka PayPal) isn't an alternative to the sponsor at all. Not only will it bring far to less too live on (note to Plus!-haters out there: that doesn't mean that Patchou is a money wolf. It means he has to earn something to live on, as developping Messenger Plus! is his full time job), but also many people don't even have a creditcard, or the likes, to use a donation button.

But, if you still want to give money instead of installing the sponsor, you can always buy something from the Plus! store.

Put yourself in Patchou's shoes:

Your the developer of Plus!, you currently have no job because you need to dedicate your time to support and development of Plus!. You hardly eat, sleep or do anything else. How would you (legally) get your money for your work?

Just think of that. When you reply we'll see....

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Originally posted by may73alliance
and its optional.....so are you going to accept the option to install a 'virus' (in symnatecs terms)???

if they're stupid enough to not read what they are accepting they deserve this so called 'virus' then 

if the spyware wasnt optional and you HAD to install it, then id see what you mean. but the fact you can freely reject to install it is why it shouldn't be removed. if you read what your installing....you dont get the adware, if you don't read and just click next and accept everything, you'll get the spyware....2 paths....pick 1...simple

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Originally posted by traxor
but is not, im sick of watching this kind of threads. the sponsor is optional, so whats the point? Patchou needs to get money and i agree with the sponsor  keep the good work coming Patchou, also he gives away money to charity and that kind of things, that is a good action and talks by itself, like i said stop making this kind of threads, the sponsor stay and thats all. 

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wow, maybe you should read the whole thread and not quote one thing i was replying to at the end.

weirdos.

btw a pop-up box would be perfect, because serioulsy people read every word on one. the major preoblem is people think they have no choice but to install it.

lets face it, on almost every setup you have to accept of decline an agreement, and if you choose no, you dont get to install it. (just look at the official KaZaA setup)

people dont read, its as simple as that, if you look once quickly you will think "no choice", you have to really watch closely, too closely.

rewording it will do, but i just dont think something like the option of adware should be in this quality progam.

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Originally posted by may73alliance
many many people use plus. most of them know about the adware. if one smart person can tell others not to just accept. everything should be fine.....patchou should leave the adware it only harms people who agree they want it on they're pc. not patchou's fault if they don't read......

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are you deaf, only 2 people in my maxed out buddy list will install it. they dont want adware and they dont have the time to bother installing it since they know it has it in there.

edit: And really its like a guy telling you that you can hold a giant dictionary to get into class. and then he lets a bunch of "slow" kids decide.

Taking advantage of "slow" people isn't cool. And people who are "slow" in terms of computers are n00bies.

Now who's right and wrong?

Everything has been said already. And don't double-post, it's against the forum rules.

Meh, screw this. I'm gonna do the unthinkable: install the Messenger Plus! sponsor!

DUN DUN DUN!

After re-reading this thread, I guess everyone has their points, and they're all valid. I'm just gonna do whatever I can to support Patchou. Does he get money when someone searches with the toolbar, or... how does that work?

and did he hafta make toolbar to?

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Originally posted by Caboose
Meh, screw this. I'm gonna do the unthinkable: install the Messenger Plus! sponsor!

DUN DUN DUN!

After re-reading this thread, I guess everyone has their points, and they're all valid. I'm just gonna do whatever I can to support Patchou. Does he get money when someone searches with the toolbar, or... how does that work?

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How to help:

- The toolbar works in IE only (you can use Firefox as your main browser and open up IE once every day and stuff).
- Go to any site. The keywords in the toolbar will change to whatever is in that site.
- Click on one of those keywords.
- Click on the search results for that keyword.
- For good measure, don't leave the page instantly. Browse it a little.
- Do this a few times.
- Close the browser.
- Enjoy your life.




[unrelated-sarcasm]OMG! That's so unsafe. [/unrelated-sarcasm]

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Originally posted by c00ly
btw a pop-up box would be perfect, because serioulsy people read every word on one. the major preoblem is people think they have no choice but to install it.

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if people dont read all the warnings that are displayed during the setup, why would they read the pop up? it would be EXACTLY the same.

And over 2 million people download Messenger Plus! every month (just check msgplus.net) so i think you are over exagerating with "no one trusts Plus! anymore"

Wow... just... wow. I'm glad I had Microsoft AntiSpyware protecting me

Well, let's see. I got about 5 alert popups, telling me things about a BHO (which I can only assume is the toolbar; even though I blocked it it's still there ), a startup entry for something called 'Dead clock.exe', an Internet Explorer homepage change, an IE search page change, and something else that I can't remember right now. I'll try and find out what it is when my scan is finished . I also got 2 icons on my desktop, 'Casino Online' and 'Poker'. Even my Firefox start page was changed and I had a tough time setting it back.

Now I know why everyone's so pissed when they install the sponsor...

[Edit] Here's some more detailed stuff:

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Startup Registry Entry: StartUp dead clock.exe dead clock.exe

Disabled date: 3/22/2005 8:52:17 PM

Details: Startup Registry Entry deactivated

Registry Key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run jump global way open = C:\Documents and Settings\All Users.WINDOWS\Application Data\five draw jump global\Dead clock.exe deactivated on

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The Internet Explorer URL for your Search Bar is attempting to be changed from http://www.laqssafzxdoa.net/rvYNS6HRkhu3Oev05yxku...nXx64PdBK/tADP.htm to http://www.ozndhabtqcbovsagoyeuau.com/rvYNS6HRkhu...waK4PdBK/tADP.html.

The default URL for your Search Bar is http://home.microsoft.com/search/lobby/search.asp.

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Browser Helper Object: BHO amenrdr.exe {20F207D9-FDDA-CAA9-C50F-18A78331EBFE}

Disabled date: 3/22/2005 8:56:28 PM

Details: Browser Helper Object deactivated

Registry Key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\{20F207D9-FDDA-CAA9-C50F-18A78331EBFE} decativated on

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Microsoft AntiSpyware has detected a Browser Helper Object trying to be added. A BHO is an application that extends Internet Explorer and acts as a plug-in allowing the BHO full control of Internet Explorer.

Name: amenrdr.exe
Path: c:\docume~1\george~1.chr\applic~1\surfme~1\amenrdr.exe

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I just looked at CodeStuff Starter to see what else it had added to my startup that Microsoft AntiSpyware missed, and I found 'okay beep.exe', located at C:\DOCUME~1\GEORGE~1.CHR\APPLIC~1\FIRSTR~1\trans store.exe


In conclusion: can't the sponsor be just a toolbar?