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Originally posted by s7a5
As you might be aware that all chats are actually loged by msn.
That's complete BS, chats are not logged!
1) If they would do that it would be a MAJOR privacy invasion and is absolutely illegal todo without reasons.
2) If they would do that without reasons they will get sued like nobody has ever been sued before.
3) Where on earth will they find enough space to store every possible chat you think?
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Originally posted by dreaded
from SimpLite
" Did you know your messages are sent over the Internet in cleartext form?"
duuuh... Almost everything you send over the net and other services is in some cleartext form.
Did you know your emails are sent unecrypted?
Did you know your requests to download a webpage is sent unencrypted?
Did you know you text messages on your phone are sent unencrypted?
Did you know your phone conversations are send unencrypted?
etc...
Such one-liners do nothing more then making people unnnessecairly paranoid.
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Originally posted by dreaded
from Encrypted Messenger
"Why should I encrypt my instant messagaes?
Because they are sent from you to the other chatter in plain text. This means anyone on the internet between you and them can (if they so desire) read your instant message conversation.".
Yes in a way this is right, but this is a so vague description of what happens that this seriously can't be taken as how it actually is. Of course people read this literally without the proper knowledge and so an urban is created.
You can't simply snif and tap of a connection between person A and person B. That's totally impossible, unless you are on the same network. Those who _could_ do it are ISP's and those who have access to these highly restrictive servers.
And don't think some lonely geek working at an ISP fills his days with reading and logging the billions of lines passing thru the servers each hour.
Logging traffic like this is absolutely illegal, unless the feds have got a very good reasons to do so. This is exactly the same as the phone-tap issue.
Also, why on earth do they want to log your conversations? Of the 6 billion people on earth and of all the people communicating with each other in a certain way, there is only a extremely small fraction which actually use these communication lines to do malicious stuff.
Do you do any malicious stuff? Why on earth would you want your chats encrypted?
"Oh noes!!!111!!! I don't want the feds to know about my chat between me and my girlfriend.... "
"I don't want them to know I've cheated on my school test"
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The only good reason you want the chats to be encrypted is if you are on a local network. But even then, people can't simply tap on lines just like that. There is always some security. Eg: cybercafe's use such local networks, but be assure that the guy on the computer next to you isn't able to tap on your line though. Even then, there are far more easier ways he he wants to spy on you. Ways which any encryption program can't do nothing about it...
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Originally posted by dreaded
If you look in security forums or messenger forums when they talk about messenger encryption they all will tell you it is very easy to look at what someone is saying on any messenger not just msn.
Yeah, they all will tell you... but nobody is able to show me any concrete example of how to do it... In most cases, they all tell you that because it is mostly popular to tell you that and making people paranoid.
Those who actually are able to do such stuff are very rare and will actually also tell you that it is only possible in local networks and that most local networks are heavly secured and that you need serious hacking knowledge to first brake in into lines and etc...
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Originally posted by dreaded
Like I said most messenger aim, yahoo, icq has a plugin or program meant just for that program for encryption so you do not have to use the 3 programs I listed. Msn is the only messenger I have fount that does not have this.
The programs you listed are compatible MSN Messenger (at least i know IMSecure is).
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Anyways, if you want encryption, fine... but don't bring in "msn logs chats" and "feds know what I'm doing" as that is totally out of context, untrue and are simply urban myths...
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