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http://www.gainesvillesun.com/article/20070918/NE...09180325/1007/NEWS
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/video/2007/sep/19/...&feed=networkfront
Land of the free!
Land of the brave!

indeed it sucks, but freedom hasn't excisted for years now. pretty much all countries that came to have freedom of speech, don't.

in the uk now, you have to inform/ask the police, if you want to hold protest with in a half-mile radius of the House of Commons. (most of which get refused)

Oh my, I had seen it on the news but it didn't look at all like the full version right there. I feel bad for the guy, really.

honestly, the police had the right to do it.

If a policeman told you to stop skateboarding in front of a library, you can drop your board and walk away. If you said no, and kept going on and telling him to get away from you, then he can take your board. If you dont feel like listening, hes can put you in cuffs. If you dont feel like getting cuffs put on you, be ready for them to make you.

If you watched the video, he did whatever he could to not be put in cuffs. In other words, he was definitely resisting arrest. He had the choice to step off the mic, and leave, but one thing can escalate to the other until he gets tasered. How do fights between normal people get started? Over small and stupid shit until it leads to the fight, which in this case, being tasered. Even if you read what the student said, he stated the policemen were just doing their jobs.

Personally, i think its dumb they cut the mic in the first place, as the Senator was very willing to give an answer. However, from the point at which the student simply wouldnt let it go, the wrath of the law took its course, the fact it had to lead to that point is very unfortunate. Its nothing unusual, thats how it works. If you cant live in this world like that, then dont bother living, because thats how the world turns. My friend once punched a cop in the face, because she was an undercover cop purchasing drugs. She called 2 police cars, he was beaten down with nightsticks, and got arrested with bruises on him. Its not very hard to just give up to the law and let it go.


Long story short, this was done at the wrong place at the wrong time. Something like this shouldnt be a big deal at all, if it wasnt for John Kerry having a public forum, which all of a sudden sparks this "Fight for freedom of speech" bullshit

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Originally posted by Steven
honestly, the police had the right to do it.

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no they didn't. you have to be doing something wrong in the first place before the please can do anything*. since when is asking questions against the law?

as for the skateboarding thing, you're skating on private property. the libary have the right to get the police to move you on (or arrest you if they want)

(*well thats the law in the uk at least, n i'd be shocked if it wans't the same in the usa. unless usa law allows enticement/entrapment)

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Originally posted by Steven
Long story short, this was done at the wrong place at the wrong time. Something like this shouldnt be a big deal at all, if it wasnt for John Kerry having a public forum, which all of a sudden sparks this "Fight for freedom of speech" bullshit

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he didn't do anything wrong. read the first.... amendment, i think it is?

School is different.

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Originally posted by toddy

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Originally posted by Steven
honestly, the police had the right to do it.

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no they didn't. you have to be doing something wrong in the first place before the please can do anything*. since when is asking questions against the law?

as for the skateboarding thing, you're skating on private property. the libary have the right to get the police to move you on (or arrest you if they want)

(*well thats the law in the uk at least, n i'd be shocked if it wans't the same in the usa. unless usa law allows enticement/entrapment)

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if you read what i posted, you wouldve noticed how i said that was the only part i disagreed with. He student started off with a bad attitude, and like being on the radio, they cut you off with the slightest suspicion that something dumb can come out of the microphone. Not that i agree with it, but its the only sure-fire way to avoid a problem like such. Thats being said assuming that the person just listens to the police and moves on, like many of the rest of us.

Thanks for backing up my point on the skateboarding part on how its illegal....

Please don't judge my nation because.. probably most.. people, especially those with power, tend to get crazy. Not everyone in the USA is the same.

yeah, thing is, those officers had only .0000001% of Bush's power and they abused it.

i always thought you were canadian xD

Heard about it in school.. I want one of those stunning things

Poor guy though, but he was acting childish