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Originally posted by Th3rmal
My question is, now when we have questions/queries/problems/suggestions or whatever about MP!L, do we give them to Patchou still? Or does he not have that much pull any more?

Im just curious because im wondering if from now on, our suggestions and what not will be as actively taken into account like they used to be when it was just Patchou

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No we don't. There isn't much he can do.  Yuna Software is in full control, they can even close down the forum if they like.

I'd say all we can do now is cross our fingers and hope for the best. though for now I personally don't have a good feeling about this. Pretty much everything is kept in the dark, there's not even a single post from Yuna on the forum, let alone a proper announcement. 

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Originally posted by charlie_su1986
they can even close down the forum if they like.

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Not really. Yuna owns the msghelp.net domain, but the forum server, including the hardware and the software, is still ours. We can change our domain and remain open (although probably no longer the "official" Plus! forums) should Yuna no longer needs the forums.

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Originally posted by Discrate
I think that no real announcement has been made because the new owners still want everyone to think patchou is still in charge.

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Definitely giving that one a thumbs up. As I said in my previous post, I think that Yuna Software will be less personal, so by them making people think that Patchou is in charge or at least have a massive say in the software, people will remain as loyal to it.

I've said it before, I'd love to see the conversion rates of the Messenger Plus! and Messenger Plus! Forum sites (the former being click-through then download and the latter being click-through, register then post) - I'm sure it's decreasing. Though that's for another day entirely.

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Originally posted by stoshrocket

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Originally posted by krissy-afc
Yuna Software is a Canadian company. Based at 43 boul. Samson Suite 270 Laval, Quebec H7X 3R8.

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looks like a ups or general store to me

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Yes, hence it is a PO Box. It is the official postal address of Yuna Software and has been for many years.

Just as there are other PO Boxes from other companies at that same address. And before people start jumping to the wrong conlusions: no there is nothing fishy about it. A PO Box is a very official address usually located in a post office, ups store or other postal service building. Hence why there are usually many companies registered at the same address.

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Originally posted by toddy

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Originally posted by Rolando
He can't legally make any sort of announcement anymore. He shared all he could with the general public in his blog post.

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don't talk crap

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There is nothing crap about what Rolando has said though, he is correct.

Almost every single contract you sign in the real world contains some sort of disclosure act. This is especially true for businesses and contracts involving ownership change etc. There is absolutely nothing strange about such contracts. Such NDAs which limit what you can share are extremely common. This is how the real world works...

What sometimes is crap are some of the speculations and conclusions some people come up with.
eg: crap like this:

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Originally posted by Discrate
I think that no real announcement has been made because the new owners still want everyone to think patchou is still in charge.

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We have said before that there is nothing hush hush about the change. Many info is available (about the change, why the change was made and what Patchou's role is in all of this), including Patchou's own words about the matter. If they wanted to hide behind Patchou's name, why do you think the info that is available, is available? Why would every reference in Plus!, the forums and website state 'Yuna Software' instead of 'Patchou'?, etc...
If they wanted to hide behind the name 'Patchou' you wouldn't see 'Yuna Software' printed everywhere.

So stop being an idiot, and before 'thinking' something, read what has been said before, and look at the real existing stuff instead of fabricating all kinds of bull shit which you can not back up in any way.

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Originally posted by toddy

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Originally posted by Rolando
If not it's not like MP!L can't be uninstalled

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how do you know what changes will be made in the new update....

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We don't know the exact details of the contract between Patchou and Yuna Software and to what exact extent Yuna Software can make changes. But what we do know is that there _are_ limitations to what they can do with Plus! (again, hence this is not a complete sell-out). They do not have all the freedom in the world, they are bound to contracts too.

This said, it will always be possible to uninstall Plus!, that would be plain common sense.

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Originally posted by toddy
as for the update log etc, how many people read them?
with the current situation i.e. no real public announcement, people will just think that they should upgrade to the newer version since they haven't been informed of any major changes

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Why on earth should they not upgrade???
The whole point of this change is that Plus! can be developed further. If Patchou wouldn't have done what he did, then there would be no Plus! anymore, at all.

I very strongly encourage to first read Patchou's statement on his blog.

Cookie, I don't mean any offence by this but I really think you're in denial. Every day fewer people are using Windows Live Messenger and subsequently Messenger Plus! Live. Patchou pulled out a good time and "sold out" - not in a derogatory way.

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Originally posted by traxor
Every day fewer people are using Windows Live Messenger and subsequently Messenger Plus! Live. Patchou pulled out a good time and "sold out" - not in a derogatory way.

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Believe it or not, active Plus! user count is still growing.

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by traxor
Every day fewer people are using Windows Live Messenger and subsequently Messenger Plus! Live. Patchou pulled out a good time and "sold out" - not in a derogatory way.

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Believe it or not, active Plus! user count is still growing.

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Stats tell a different story.

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Originally posted by traxor

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by traxor
Every day fewer people are using Windows Live Messenger and subsequently Messenger Plus! Live. Patchou pulled out a good time and "sold out" - not in a derogatory way.

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Believe it or not, active Plus! user count is still growing.

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Stats tell a different story.

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Nobody cares about forum stats

Registrations on the forums do not necessary reflect on the amount of Plus! users

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Originally posted by traxor

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by traxor
Every day fewer people are using Windows Live Messenger and subsequently Messenger Plus! Live. Patchou pulled out a good time and "sold out" - not in a derogatory way.

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Believe it or not, active Plus! user count is still growing.

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Stats tell a different story.

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active plus! user count != user registrations on this forum

sure, the community around msn/wlm (mess.be etc) is falling apart a bit, but with 50+ million users currently using plus!, yuna isn't going to break a sweat over over those few members on here complaining about the current lack of communication.