New version 1.2.32.
Download it here.

See what was new in 1.2.23. (next versions fixed little bugs and added some little improvements)

Known bugs:
The program doesn't work with RTL languages (like arabic or hebrew).
Weird RichEdit bug about comas and dashes (not very frequent).


Updates:
Updated on 28th june 3:08am spanish time, version 1.0.5
Updated on 30th june 21:55 spanish time, version 1.0.7
Updated on 2nd july 1:38 spanish time, version 1.1.8
Updated on 2nd july 1:46 spanish time, version 1.1.9
Updated on 3rd july 19:47 spanish time, version 1.1.11
Updated on 6th july 2:22 spanish time, version 1.1.15
Updated on 9th july 0:14 spanish time, version 1.1.16 (960+ downloads)
Updated on 2nd april 16:49 spanish time, version 1.2.23 (40+ downloads)
Updated on 6th april 17:20 spanish time, version 1.2.24 (290+ downloads)
Updated on 23rd april 17:28 spanish time, version 1.2.28 (65 downloads)
Updated on 25th april 14:27 spanish time, version 1.2.29 (7620+ downloads)
Updated on 29th march 2008, 17:28 spanish time, version 1.2.32

Notes:
If the program gives you an error of a missing file try to donwload this file: MPTF.exe (894 Kb). It's a self-extracting RAR compressed file which contains msvbvm60.dll, Richtx32.ocx and comctl32.ocx. (at least) These files are requiered in order the program can work.

Well, Choli, your program doesn't show my Traditional Chinese correctly... It's Unicode Windows XP here...But so far the interface looks great
Well, if you need my help just PM me

Nice !!! But I can't see ñ and & correctly (Usnig XP)

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But I can't see ñ and & correctly

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Well Choli...I don't think VB6 is unicode-compatible...Could you tell me how you accomplish that? Every time I want to make unicode-comptible programs I have to use crappy VB .Net ...:\

Well, this is the 1st time i'm trying to make an unicode-compatible program, and if you're right i won't be able to do that in VB6 (and i don't like VB.NET) VB6 has functions to convert string from & to unicode, and i'm using the api GetPrivateProfileStringW which is supposed to work with unicode.... Also, if i copy-paste a Traditional Chinese character from word to my control i can see it well but i can't do that in the code (some thing like text4.text=unicode_string)

Anyway, i'll keep trying
* Choli says: go choli go!

Brilliant
Well, Choli, just try to look for other unicode-compatible APIs to do the Text property accessing...maybe SetWindowTextW can do that...I don't know, I'm not very good at API...
Just a suggestion

Wdz was going to do a php script for this, but abandoned the idea.

Very good program, but it doesn't show international characters correctly (as it was reported before) -i.e. ñ, á é í ó ú, etc.

* Choli is happy
Good news: I've also tried SetWindowTextW, Mnjul, but didn't work. Thanks anyway. The problem was with the control. Now, i'll use a RichTextBox that shows well all unicode chars if you manage well it, so i've had to learn RTF specifications (). I think the program will be finished tomorrow and will handle "unicode" laguages ok (maybe right-to-left ones not very well, but give time to the time). Now it's 3:20am here & yesterday I slept less than 6 hours, so i'm going to bed....

Well Choli brilliant again...you know, we translators can help you with modifying your neat program

Neat program, seems to work very fast...

but i was wondering is it compitable for the next versions of Plus!

I bet the program is very flexible...it could read the .ini files nimbly

Very nice program! Two things, though:
1. It doesn't work on my Win98SE (Swedish version). Gives me "Runtime error '5' Invalid procedure call or argument"
2. Works OK on my WinXP. But does not show our Swedish umlauts correctly.
I am eagerly waiting for the next version ...

First of all, I want to thank you, all the translators and all the people who have donwloaded my program, for do that and test it. I really appreciate very much everithing you've said.
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Well. I've just finished a new release of the program (1.0.5). When I finish posting this, I'll update the attachment file of the first post of this thread. Please, read the following:

• The program uses unicode-enabled API's that are found only in Windows NT/2K/XP, so the program won't work under Windows 9x/Me. Lief, you'll have to use it with XP, not 98.
  
• The program uses a RichTextBox control, so you'll need, apart from msvbvm60.dll and mscomctl.ocx files, the richtx32.ocx file.
  
• The program uses the "Arial Unicode MS" font, which I think it's distributed with Windows (NT/2K/XP). That font has all the Unicode characters, so you'll be able to see international chars like ñ, accents à é ô, umlauts ü ö, and chars from complex languages, like Chinese Simplified. If you don't have that font, you'd better get it (it's "only" 22.1 Mb in my WinXP).
  
• To display that complex characters and write them back to the Lang_*.ini file, I've implemented a very reduced RTF reader & writer. RTF is a text specification, so I may have done some mistakes. If the program doesn't behave like it should, pealse, run it with some parameter and try to reproduce the error. There will be a debug window that shows the RTF code. I'll apreciate it very much.
  
• The RichTextBox control is able to show different fonts, show text in blod, italics, underlined, different sizes, etc... If you want the program to work well do not use copy-paste from text-processors like Word, because when the program will parse the RTF code may write wrong things. And do not try to format any text inside that control, for the same reason. Just type your translation and let the program work.
  
• I think that the right-to-left languages (like Arabic) aren't displayed correctly, but i can't do much more without someone who tell me how it sould be shown. The text that displays my program, is what it should be? a bit different? very much different? Also, try to write a text, and send me the RTF code.
  
• The program hasn't been tested very much and it can have bugs. Please, don't test it with the original files in Messenger Plus! folder, make back-ups
  

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  but i was wondering is it compitable for the next versions of Plus!
  

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  As long as Patchou don't modify the format of the DefaultLg.dat and Lang_*.ini files (which is a standar Windows format), my program should handle well (as well as it does it now) any new version.
  

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  Neat program, seems to work very fast...
  

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  Thanks. I only use API functions to read the files, so my program should be as fast as Windows could be.
  
• I think I don't forget anything. I hope you'll like the program. Enjoy it!

Well, Choli, good news and bad news.
The good is the Chinese words are showed correctly, and while typing Chinese words, it has no problem.
The bad is...After I click on save, the save operation performs wrong. Instead of the correct Chinese words, it writes two bytes of ANSI Code(like ¸Õ ) for one Chinese word.

If you have questions about this just ask me...

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Originally posted by Choli
The program is very easy to use and you can select english or spanish interface. I would like you to try and test the program and tell me how it does it work. I've witten it in VB6 so you'll probably need these files: msvbvm60.dll and mscomctl.ocx. If you don't have them and if the admins/mods allow me, I can upload them (about 993 Kb compressed).

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Originally posted by Choli
The program is very easy to use and you can select english or spanish interface. I would like you to try and test the program and tell me how it does it work. I've witten it in VB6 so you'll probably need these files: msvbvm60.dll and mscomctl.ocx. If you don't have them and if the admins/mods allow me, I can upload them (about 993 Kb compressed).

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I'm still waiting, I wanna test it

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Oh OK but it isa lot easier to get it here

EDIT: I can only find the VB 5 runtime at M$'...

EDIT: Found it!

Mnjul the M$ package doesn't include mscomctl.ocx! Where can I find that?

http://w1.901.telia.com/~u90120786/mscomctl.zip

Sorry! Now it's OK!

Some suggestions.....

A. When reading the values from the files, replace "\n" with a newline and "\t" with a tab. When writing text to the file, do the opposite.

B. Find a way to show the comments for each setting?

C. It doesn't seem to work with Hebrew. All the Hebrew letters are replaced with question marks, like this:

BadHook2=??? ?????????? ?? ?????? ???? ????.


I am using Windows XP. I know that this problem happens when I try to enter Unicode text into a non-Unicode field, such as mIRC's windows.

Thnx Leif ! But the URL is actually ..../mscomctl.zip

EDIT: This Windows sure is crappy... Now he's looking for Richtx32.ocx.

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Originally posted by Mnjul
Well, Choli, good news and bad news.
The good is the Chinese words are showed correctly, and while typing Chinese words, it has no problem.
The bad is...After I click on save, the save operation performs wrong. Instead of the correct Chinese words, it writes two bytes of ANSI Code(like ¸Õ ) for one Chinese word.

If you have questions about this just ask me...

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Originally posted by sock
A. When reading the values from the files, replace "\n" with a newline and "\t" with a tab. When writing text to the file, do the opposite.
B. Find a way to show the comments for each setting?
C. It doesn't seem to work with Hebrew. All the Hebrew letters are replaced with question marks, like this:

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Originally posted by Mippo
This Windows sure is crappy... Now he's looking for Richtx32.ocx

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OK Choli...I'll do it after my dinner..it's 7:40 pm here and i just stopped myself from studying

[edit]And Choli, if you want to get Chinese words shown here, you may have to change your browser encode to Traditional Chinese(Big-5) first...[/edit]

As a reply on my question

Cholli I just tested it, and it looks like its working...

OK Choli, I send my file to you...

Okay, last time I created a new target file and it wasn't Unicode.

This time I used a Unicode file, so I'm not getting question marks now, but now I am getting the same weird characters as Mnjul. This only happens when I save some value, the specific value is saved as those characters. It looks as if you are trying to put ASCII into Unicode, without converting it to Unicode first. Weird stuff.

Also, when I change the editbox to right-align mode, it doesn't look like it should (like it does in Notepad or Word). And then when I move to another value, it asks me if I want to save the value, but I only changed the text alignment, I didn't edit the text!

Being a software developer sucks, eh?

Hmmm your program has Windows' about box?

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Microsoft® Carlos Domingo Más (Choli)
Copyright 1981-2001 Microsoft Corporation

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Originally posted by sock
Okay, last time I created a new target file and it wasn't Unicode.

This time I used a Unicode file, so I'm not getting question marks now, but now I am getting the same weird characters as Mnjul. This only happens when I save some value, the specific value is saved as those characters. It looks as if you are trying to put ASCII into Unicode, without converting it to Unicode first. Weird stuff.

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Also, when I change the editbox to right-align mode, it doesn't look like it should (like it does in Notepad or Word). And then when I move to another value, it asks me if I want to save the value, but I only changed the text alignment, I didn't edit the text!

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Being a software developer sucks, eh?

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Hmmm your program has Windows' about box?

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I've replied your mail, Choli. Bad news...

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Originally posted by Choli
I've got a new version that i'd like to send to you so you can test it. I sent it to Mnjul but still don't know if it works (Mnjul, did you recieve my emails? i'm not sure if i send them to the right address)So, sock, can I send that version to you? If you allow me (i don't want spam people emails), send me you address via PM. Thanks.

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Also, when I change the editbox to right-align mode, it doesn't look like it should (like it does in Notepad or Word). And then when I move to another value, it asks me if I want to save the value, but I only changed the text alignment, I didn't edit the text!

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How do you do that? And note that every time the editbox (richtextbox, in fact) is changed (change event) my program assumes that a text modification has been done.

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Okay, I did some testing and changing the alignment does NOT change the text string. However, it still triggers that "change event" of yours for some reason....

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And now I also see that the editbox does not display complex Hebrew strings correctly (ie., strings that have both English and Hebrew characters), whether aligned to the left or the right. What I mean by "correctly" is how they are displayed in any other Microsoft program.

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Blah.... I guess you need to make it support RTL somehow.....

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Good News! It now works very correctly
The RTF Code isn't correct when I type Chinese words, but it becomes correct automatically after I save them

Congrats, Choli

Sock must be jealous .

Uhmmm no win 98 ?

Will this program work with the new messenger plus?

Yes. It uses the generic form of the language .ini file.

Thanks i will translate to greek!

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And now I also see that the editbox does not display complex Hebrew strings correctly (ie., strings that have both English and Hebrew characters), whether aligned to the left or the right. What I mean by "correctly" is how they are displayed in any other Microsoft program.

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Are strings with only Hebrew chars displayed ok? What is the difference between the string that the control shows and what it should be? If you type, is the text showed ok?

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Blah.... I guess you need to make it support RTL somehow.....

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I know, but is a bit complex. It isn't as easy as put right alignemt (or is it?). I'd like first make the program work with complex languages (like Chinese) but left to right ones.
* Choli slaps RTL languages around a bit with a large trout.

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Originally posted by Mnjul
Good News! It now works very correctly

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The RTF Code isn't correct when I type Chinese words, but it becomes correct automatically after I save them

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Congrats, Choli

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Sock must be jealous

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Uhmmm no win 98 ?

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Originally posted by cool_myll
Will this program work with the new messenger plus?

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Originally posted by sock
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I hope you find a way to fix it.....

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Sock's 'Anycow' I like it

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Originally posted by Choli
* Choli says: 'And now comes the sock's post....'

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Originally posted by sock
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I hope you find a way to fix it.....

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Well, sock, I'll do my best possible to make it RTL compatible. I'll keep you informed about how this is going.

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Sock's 'Anycow' I like it

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New version: 1.1.8
Edit:
very small error corrected: version 1.1.9
/Edit
I'll try to be brief:

• New version 1.1.8. Features:
  
• version 1.1.9
  
• Works well with all letf-to-rigth languages (English, Spanish, Deutch, Chinese, ...) if you use Windows NT/2000/XP
  
• Doesn't work (yet) with right-to-left ones (Hebrew, Arabic, ...) in any Windows
  
• Works with Windows 95/98/Me (even with Windows 3.1 if you have the 32-bit extensions (I'm not sure)), but "unicode" languages like Arabic, Chinese, Greek, Russian, ... won't be well processed. Only "ansi" languages (the ones that use the code page 1252) like Spanish, French, Deutch, ... will work well (and I'm not sure)
  
• Arguments accepted by my program:
  
  • esp spa español spanish espanol
    
  • eng ing english ingles inglés guiri
    
  • debug debuging dbg deb
    
  • nodebug nodebuging nodbg nodeb
    
  • uni unicode
    
  • nouni nounicode
  Try to figure out the meaning of each one. You can use several together. You also can make a link (direct access) to the exe, and put in the link the arguments you want.
  
• As always, when I post this, I'll update the file at the top of the thread.
  
• I've changed some things. I hope the program works like last version, but I may have deleted some thing by mistake. Let me know in that case.

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Okie, have fun.

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BTW......... in your signature............ the "e" in the equation should be uppercase..... ie. E = mc². And of course the "E" and "S" should be uppercase too in the country names......   /me being petty again.

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You also can make a link (direct access) to the exe, and put in the link the arguments you want.

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Choli do you need the bas module file? I have one

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THe english translation in Windows is shortcuts

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Choli do you need the bas module file? I have one

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The moudle file that will dynamically create a .manifast file for XP-ish Visual Style gfd mentioned above ...or you can pack it with your program statically too

Ok, send it to me. But, sometimes (like now) i don't understand what people mean Please, explain (or translate) the meaning of:

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And btw, i'm just being picky... but make an xp theme manifest

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a .manifast file for XP-ish Visual Style gfd mentioned above

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Any program(maybe only VB program...I am not sure of other program languages) without its .manifast refrence resource has only the classical visual style under windows XP...you have to create a [exe file name.exe].manifast in the same directory as your program is in...
Currently most programs include their .manifast file in them as  resources, like Plus!, or most official Windows programs(Sorry, I res-hacked.) I don't know if in VB we can make it in that way...
And Choli, I'll send you the bas file as well as a .manifast simple tomorrow(7 or 8 hrs later), or you can try to do a search on google

You know what? In Spain there is a proverb that says: "No te acostarás sin saber una cosa más", ie: "You won't go to bed without learning anything else" The meaning is that everyday a new thing is learnt. And that's what happened to /me. I've always though that to get WinXP style controls I should call any API like SetWindowsLong but not, it seems easier. And now I can have that wonderful controls within VB6

* Choli is going to test some things with WinXP styles and write some code so the new texts to be translated are better handled. Also he's trying to solve the RTL problem

So you don't need my file?
OK

Euh... it says 'Runtime Error 5' on my Win98SE machine when I select two language files (the file that I'm going to save to is empty). Is this a bug or a known issue?

the program gives me an error of a missing file..

i search the german language, for the version 2.20

Choli, I suggest you upload a setup file, besides the singal program .exe file. Users without Visual Basic may encounter file missing problem.

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So you don't need my file?
OK

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Euh... it says 'Runtime Error 5' on my Win98SE machine when I select two language files (the file that I'm going to save to is empty). Is this a bug or a known issue?

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the program gives me an error of a missing file..

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Choli, I suggest you upload a setup file, besides the singal program .exe file. Users without Visual Basic may encounter file missing problem.

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* Choli slaps RTL languages again around a bit with a large trout.

Great program!! Although I give a few recommendations...

1.- Instead of setting an item to english as default when it doesn't exist, and saving it that way, leave it blank so it is easier to see what translations are missing.

2.- Or even better, in the left where there are all the items to translate, set the item on bold if it isn't set to it's translation yet. This helps a lot for new versions of Plus that only need updates!

All in all this is a great program. good job!

Hebrew is worse now...... if it was inconvinient to work with before, it is impossible now.
The letters show up fine, however everything goes backwards, the letters and the words (reverse order of the entire string). Very strange.


And I'm still waiting for that implementation of \n, \t and &....

OK, the runtime error 5 is gone now.

I open DefaultLg.dat and another file (empty). I click on a string. Nothing but "?????????????". I click another string and it says first "You have changed something, would you like to save it now?" and I've changed nothing! Then it goes to the other string, again "???????????????" or sometimes "??????4?????" or "??????????5?". Has this something to do with the Unicode?

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Originally posted by ^ASM^
1.- Instead of setting an item to english as default when it doesn't exist, and saving it that way, leave it blank so it is easier to see what translations are missing.
2.- Or even better, in the left where there are all the items to translate, set the item on bold if it isn't set to it's translation yet. This helps a lot for new versions of Plus that only need updates!

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Hebrew is worse now...... if it was inconvinient to work with before, it is impossible now.

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The letters show up fine, however everything goes backwards, the letters and the words (reverse order of the entire string). Very strange.

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Originally posted by Mippo
I open DefaultLg.dat and another file (empty). I click on a string. Nothing but "?????????????". I click another string and it says first "You have changed something, would you like to save it now?" and I've changed nothing!

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OK, the runtime error 5 is gone now.

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When you said the text was wrong, i didn't know what was wrong, so i was testing
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reverse all the string or only the parts of the string in Hebrew?
the order of the letters or of the words?

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Again, new version (and probably the final one)
Version 1.1.15
Features:

• ^ASM^ suggestion: In the left, where all the items to be transated are, I've added an icon. If you see a green arrow, the item is in the translated Lang_*.ini file or all the keys in the section are in the Lang_*.ini file. If there is a red X, the item is not in the Lang_*.ini file (let's say, a new item of a new version) or the section has any item not present at the Lang_*.ini file. Well, it's better to see it than trying to undestand my english
  
  
• sock suggestion: Implemented \t and & tags (it's impossible implement \n). When reading from Lang_*.ini files, those tags are converted into a real tab and an underlined character. When saving, the opposite thing is done. Don't expect that this conversion is done in real time while typing Also, be careful if you type next to a underlined character: more than one character may leave underlined.
  
  
• RTL languages: Well, I've done all I know and more to support RTL languages, but can't do more (also VB 6 doesn't offer all I'd like) I've implemented some code to show those languages correctly (as sock said in his last post). I'm not sure that is the right way but I tried. sock, I'm very sorry about it: my program can't handle RTL languages correctly. I'd have liked (english expression?) to accomplish that, be sure of that (and if one day I know how to do that, I'll do). I've not implemented the \t and & tags in RTL languages and saving will not work (there are a lot of handicaps when implementig the saving function with RTL).
  
  
• I think the program is finished now unless new bugs are found or suggestions are said. So you can donwload it from the 1st post and use it with the new forthcoming version of .20. I hope you enjoy it.
  
  
• Again, thanks to everybody who helped me to make this program.

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Heh, you get that in all your programs, choli...!

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You can drop this if you want, I am fine with editing the .ini files manually

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Originally posted by Choli

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Originally posted by sock
You can drop this if you want, I am fine with editing the .ini files manually

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That wasn't my intention but I can't do anything else. Although you say you're fine editing the files manually, I'm not feeling good about that

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there is an DLL missing!

Download the DLL and OCX package then!

BTW, can this thread be sticky, please ? I think my program may be interesting for translators, so if it's sticky all translators will see it. Admins/Mods... pleaseeee

Yeah, good idea

This is a very good program . I'm using it for the french translation.

But if I can make a suggestion, a search tool would be very useful to search a sentence or a word.

Thank you for your work.

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Originally posted by Toshiro
This is a very good program . I'm using it for the french translation.

But if I can make a suggestion, a search tool would be very useful to search a sentence or a word.

Thank you for your work.

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Y funciona con los caracteres españoles ? Ñáéíóú  ?

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Y funciona con los caracteres españoles ? Ñáéíóú  ?

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run time error again

Choli:
Well, I'm brining you good news, don't worry
I was doing translation work and hoooooo, your program really helped that I didn't have to open my ugly notepad or wordpad...

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run time error again

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Choli:
Well, I'm brining you good news, don't worry

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I was doing translation work and hoooooo, your program really helped that I didn't have to open my ugly notepad or wordpad...

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run time error 7 out of memory
win xp prof sp1

Very important update!! Version 1.1.16 Donwload at the 1st post!!!

There was a bug in last version (1.1.15): When reading a value with &, the text were shown with the letter underlined, but when saving the & was lost!! So if you used it for translating this new version of Plus! check all your new translations because a lot of & can be missing. That was due to the method which I use to support complex languages like Chinesse. Both things (showing the underlined and saving in those languages) can't be supported at the same time, so I decided remove the underlined and the tabs.

Firstly I wanted to add an option to choose which to do (show & or not). But when I saw the bug, I only could do what I've expained before. Sorry if I've made you any handicap

But that isn't the only difference. I've added a character counter. It'll show how many characters has the english version and how many has yours. Then you can calculate (aprox.) if your text will fill. The count isn't exact (it counts \n \t \r %i %s as 2 characters and & as one), but it can help you.

Also, the two boxes where the texts are displayed have been resized to show more lines (up to 5 at the same time) and the use the same font (that Arial Unicode MS) so it looks better and you can also see what text is longer.

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run time error 7 out of memory
win xp prof sp1

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I got the Runtime error 7 to!
I just put the files in a folder (the msgplustrans.exe and the DLL files) and then when I open it, it says: Runtime error 7
Out of money!

Whats wrong!?

Out of money? Insert 25 cents xD

I understand its out of memory, try to see if there are no conflcting dlls in windows or windows \system or windows\system32 or whatever... Don't think it's a real memory leak (it could be, though).

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Originally posted by Animefan
I got the Runtime error 7 to!
I just put the files in a folder (the msgplustrans.exe and the DLL files) and then when I open it, it says: Runtime error 7
Out of money!

Whats wrong!?

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Originally posted by jpg050
Out of money? Insert 25 cents xD

I understand its out of memory, try to see if there are no conflcting dlls in windows or windows \system or windows\system32 or whatever... Don't think it's a real memory leak (it could be, though).

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run time error 7 continiue

I use the program to translate into galizian and I don't see any error.
My windows is XP.

Yo use el programa para traducir al gallego y no detecte ningún error.
Mi windows es el XP

This is good news. By the way.. i founf the other add-on for messenger called Translation and Speech studio for messenger. If seems to offer full fledged translation and other features. Do check it out at:

VIVOSTUDIO

regards,
dino

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Originally posted by dflores
This is good news. By the way.. i founf the other add-on for messenger called Translation and Speech studio for messenger. If seems to offer full fledged translation and other features. Do check it out at:

VIVOSTUDIO

regards,
dino

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hey choli that translator does not work at least for me that is

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Originally posted by Ice Queen
hey choli that translator does not work at least for me that is

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urs it wont open tell me it cant work with my operating system

Are you using Windows 9x or ME? In that case, you get a message warning you that the program may not work properly, but you should see the main window.

it error with thai language I can see and type thai but after i saved. all i edited turn into alien language. this is critical bug!!

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Originally posted by built
it error with thai language I can see and type thai but after i saved. all i edited turn into alien language. this is critical bug!!

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Yes in unicode

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Originally posted by built
it error with thai language I can see and type thai but after i saved. all i edited turn into alien language. this is critical bug!!

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i use winxpsp1. the problem is this program can read thai language. can type thai language. but when i save progress. all thai language that i typed turn into alien language. sorry if my english so bad

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Originally posted by built
i use winxpsp1. the problem is this program can read thai language. can type thai language. but when i save progress. all thai language that i typed turn into alien language. sorry if my english so bad

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¿¿¿Choli tu programa funciona con la version 2.51.68???

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Originally posted by Anio17
¿¿¿Choli tu programa funciona con la version 2.51.68???

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Originally posted by Anio17
¿¿¿Choli tu programa funciona con la version 2.51.68???

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Translation:
Choli, doues your program work with 2.51.68?

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I think that it was great that They Have tanslated it like that


Keep up the good work Patchou



Thx Patchou

Vantage a.k.a [Hobboe]

Make a button where you can switch the "original file" with "translated file"... This is very handy if you want to check if your translation has redundend keys which can be removed....

Also maybe change "Original English file" into just "Original File"; I use the program to compare translations with other translations, not neccessarly  (wrong spelling ) with the original English file...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Make a button where you can switch the "original file" with "translated file"... This is very handy if you want to check if your translation has redundend keys which can be removed....

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Also maybe change "Original English file" into just "Original File"; I use the program to compare translations with other translations, not neccessarly  (wrong spelling ) with the original English file...

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Another minor GUI glitch:
Two exact the same lines are wrapped differently in the two windows:

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Another minor GUI glitch:
Two exact the same lines are wrapped differently in the two windows:

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I've released a new version: 1.2.23

[*]Now, it uses the same control for both windows so the same text will be wrapped the same way. Also, you can now open any translated file (even a chinesse one) as the original file. That can be useful if you want to compare 2 translations.

[*]The sections and keys of the tree view, at the left, have 3 icons:

• means the key/section is in both the original and translated files.
  
• means the key is not in the translated file. If it's in a sections, it means the sections has keys that aren't in the translated file or that the whole section is missing.
  
• means the key is not in the original file (and then it can be deleted). If it's in a section means that it has keys that aren't in the original file or that the whole section isn't in the original file.

Hi Choli !...

I downloaded this new version... all I got is :

Runtime error: '339'
Richtx32.ocx and one of its depencies are invalid ... bla bla

However.. I would like to propose you something. Make your translator's ability to make a new line in .ini file not just replace. Because when I wanted to translate a Lang.ini from an earlier version to a newer one... I had to add something I had to add Sheduler myself.. so it would be very useful for your translator to have that ability, and more more useful in this new , upcoming Messenger Plus! 3 , wich is gonna have many new features there to be add in the .ini files wich were not before.

Thank you !

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Originally posted by _BassReFLeX_
Runtime error: '339'
Richtx32.ocx and one of its depencies are invalid ... bla bla

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Originally posted by _BassReFLeX_
However.. I would like to propose you something. Make your translator's ability to make a new line in .ini file not just replace. Because when I wanted to translate a Lang.ini from an earlier version to a newer one... I had to add something I had to add Sheduler myself.. so it would be very useful for your translator to have that ability, and more more useful in this new , upcoming Messenger Plus! 3 , wich is gonna have many new features there to be add in the .ini files wich were not before.

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all this translation is giving me a headache. think ill go make a control for vb6 that helps making multilanguage programs...

Haven't tried yet that thingie. I just got back from a big voyage

I'll try.


To Zhasha:

Theres no better translator than Choli's

i dont think you know what i meant...
its a VB6 control that makes making "Multilanguage Applications" much easyer. actually has nothing to do with a msgplus translater program

Choli, your translation proggie is nothing short of marvellous. Thanks for making it!! Only one wish, though - to be able to see the original and the translation "in vivo" so to speak. So that I can see if my translation fits into the available space.

I think that that is something that any plus!-translator would like. But is a bit out of scope of this translator tool...
Also it isn't that easy to create, and you need to call the plus-DLL and use the functions and all. It has been suggested before (to make a "standalone" stripped version of Plus! with only the dialogs and all, just for the purpose of translating)...
Now I do this by using Resource Hacker and such tools. It is a bit messy to do. But once you get the hang of it, it's a good way for a first quick check. (especially for the dialogs you can't envoke so easly like setup dialogs, recovery dialog, error dialogs, etc...)

Leif: Yep, Cookie is right (as always ) The best way to test non-usual dialogs is wih resource hacker because: (1st) i don't know what are the funtions inside Patchou's dll and how I should call then and (2nd) because how do i know which sections and which keys belong to what dialog/window/tooltip/menu etc...?

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Originally posted by Leif
So that I can see if my translation fits into the available space.

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Originally posted by Zhasha
all this translation is giving me a headache. think ill go make a control for vb6 that helps making multilanguage programs...

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Originally posted by _BassReFLeX_
Theres no better translator than Choli's

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Me gusta bastante pero me sobran las banderitas.

see this is why i like www.freetranslation.com


Pleases me enough but exceed me the banderitas
Me plaît mais me dépasse assez le banderitas
Erfreut mich genug aber überschreitet mich der banderitas
Me soddisfa abbastanza ma me eccedere il banderitas
Behaagt aan mij genoeg, maar overschrijdt mij de banderitas
Agrade-me bastante mas me excede o banderitas
Нравится мне достаточно, но превышать меня banderitas
Behager meg nok men overskrider meg banderitas
使我高兴足够但是超过我 banderitas
使我高興足夠但是超過我 banderitas

i dont know that word "banderitas" but this is what i can rip off freetranslation.com

people, don't spam my thread with dodgy translations

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Originally posted by Tarry
Me gusta bastante pero me sobran las banderitas.

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This is such a great program!! Thanks again, Choli!!!
One minor gripe, though. On Win98 it seems not to filter lines starting with a semi colon ( ; ) which clutters up the display real bad. Works beautifully on XP!

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Originally posted by Leif
One minor gripe, though. On Win98 it seems not to filter lines starting with a semi colon ( ; ) which clutters up the display real bad.

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Originally posted by Choli
can you send me the file with semi colons that aren't filtered?

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works perfectly here :/


note: Why don't I experience all those bugs .... even most Plus!-bugs I don't get... Is my PC so afraid of me????

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
works perfectly here :/

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Ok ok ok ....

It's fixed now. It was a M$ bug

* Choli slaps Microsoft arround a bit with a couple of large buggy APIs

Why do I have to fix M$'s bugs?

choli, how do u use the winXP style buttons, what kind of API do u use. im not very good at API

Thanks Choli for the update! One problem less now!
But another one has cropped up:
From the line
ShareFiles=Share one of my files
in the section
[EnhancedPlusMenuChat]
Translator tells me that the line 'Share one of my files' and all the lines after that one are only present in my translation. Warning triangles with exclamation marks! But these lines are present in my translation and in the DefaultLg.dat. This only happens when I'm on Win98. WinXP is OK.

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Originally posted by Choli
Leif: Yep, Cookie is right (as always ) The best way to test non-usual dialogs is wih resource hacker because: (1st) i don't know what are the funtions inside Patchou's dll and how I should call then and (2nd) because how do i know which sections and which keys belong to what dialog/window/tooltip/menu etc...?

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Originally posted by Leif
So that I can see if my translation fits into the available space.

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you can get an idea looking at the character counters (and remember they give an aproximate number ('cause they count & as 1 char and \n, \r, %s, %d, etc as 2 chars))

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Originally posted by Zhasha
all this translation is giving me a headache. think ill go make a control for vb6 that helps making multilanguage programs...

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I think VB has stuff to do that (the repository or resources or something....)

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Originally posted by _BassReFLeX_
Theres no better translator than Choli's

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thanks... In fact there's no other translator then mine so... it's the best

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Originally posted by Leif
Thanks Choli for the update! One problem less now!
But another one has cropped up:
From the line
ShareFiles=Share one of my files
in the section
[EnhancedPlusMenuChat]
Translator tells me that the line 'Share one of my files' and all the lines after that one are only present in my translation. Warning triangles with exclamation marks! But these lines are present in my translation and in the DefaultLg.dat. This only happens when I'm on Win98. WinXP is OK.

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Originally posted by Choli
but send me your translation (if i don't have it ) the defaultlg.dat is the one of mp3beta, right?

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Stupid Win98 is driving me mad ······
Well, again it wasn't my fault but Win98's It seems that Win98 doesn't accept INI files bigger than 65501 bytes (nearly 64 Kb). DefaultLg.dat is 66 Kb and Win98 only uses its first 65501 bytes. The rest are ignored. You can notice it if you select the key [EnhancedPlusMenuChat] > QuickText. You'll only see "Send a pre-" while the line is "Send a pre-recorded message". This is the 65501 bytes bound.

About the bug, it's still there. I can't do anything to fix it. Also the program wasn't done to work in 98 at the begining, when I though about doing it so I don't care very much if it doesn't work on Win9x Anyway, thanks for reporting the bug (and feel free to continue reporting bugs)

No problem now on Win98. Getting rid of all the comments (lines with ; ) shrinked the file to under 60 kB.

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No problem now on Win98. Getting rid of all the comments (lines with ; ) shrinked the file to under 60 kB.

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I was wondering if some suggestions could be done now we know the guidelines (I post them anyway ):

- A third textbox to load the backup version (readonly)
- A little textfield or caption-frame to show comments (comments should appear in the tree to load them in the caption-frame, if a normal key is selected the current comment to the key/group is showed)
- A comment-cleaner for finishing the work, that leaves those three first lines.

Dunno If this is still possible (I wished I could code it myself ).

It would be great if you (Choli ) could still add all or some of these features

Edit (bug): Testing your current version I have noticed that all keys (I randomly took a look at groups) are marked with .
Maybe it would be good to compare the content of the keys to see if the strings are the same (strings being longer than 5 chars, coz maybe shorter strings could be the same in both languages).

Edit (human-stupid-bug): I already migrated my lang file so it was obviously saying everything was alright . Well, the tool should compare the strings anyway and add the Backup, if needed to get recycleable keys .

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
A third textbox to load the backup version (readonly)

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
A little textfield or caption-frame to show comments (comments should appear in the tree to load them in the caption-frame, if a normal key is selected the current comment to the key/group is showed)

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
A comment-cleaner for finishing the work, that leaves those three first lines.

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
Dunno If this is still possible (I wished I could code it myself ).

It would be great if you (Choli ) could still add all or some of these features

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Edit (bug): Testing your current version I have noticed that all keys (I randomly took a look at groups) are marked with ->.
Edit (human-stupid-bug): I already migrated my lang file so it was obviously saying everything was alright

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
Maybe it would be good to compare the content of the keys to see if the strings are the same (strings being longer than 5 chars, coz maybe shorter strings could be the same in both languages).
Well, the tool should compare the strings anyway and add the Backup, if needed to get recycleable keys .

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I mean >5 chars for if there are small words/keys that aren't translated, like "OK".

And yeah, it was just me surprised of all those green arrows... so well, not a bug. But still could be inproved comparing the keys .

In the Guidelines, btw, It's meant to rewrite from scratch, but using the original English file as pattern, so including all comments, that's why it would make sense now.

Well, anyway, keep it up

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
I mean >5 chars for if there are small words/keys that aren't translated, like "OK".

And yeah, it was just me surprised of all those green arrows... so well, not a bug. But still could be inproved comparing the keys .

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pseudocode:
do while not eof(readfile)
  textline = readline(readfile)
  if not firstchar(stripleadingspaces(textline)) = ";" then
    writeline(writefile)
  endif
loop

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
If this isn't added, the user is forced to look at every key to see if it is translated, this makes that the language file is checked in detail (which is a must I think) and less "hasty" mistakes are being made...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
you don't need to rely on the ini-api's for that. Much faster and more reliable would be:

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Related to this... Maybe this could be made into a seperate program (or if Choli has the time in his own program) together with a routine where all the topics and keys are sorted like the DefaultLg.dat. This makes comparing languages files with the original english one very easy in other programs. (because most linecomparing programs are only good at resyncronizing at a certain level). Also, double blank lines can be deleted, a blank line could be added before topics, blank lines between keys can be deleted, etc...

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stripleadingspaces(textline)) = ";"

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Originally posted by Choli

mmm.... btw,

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stripleadingspaces(textline)) = ";"

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related to that: if a line begins with spaces and after the spaces there's a ";", is the line a comment or isn't it?

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I hope this will works too on Msg Plus! 3...
Should be nice...

Yes, it works on Messenger Plus! 3 language files as well. But you won't really need this tool as long as you are not translating Messenger Plus! yourself.

Choli, can I make yet another suggestion?

To add the ability to use two filenames as commandlines:
MsgPlusTrans.exe DefaultLg.dat Lang_Vulcan.ini

If at all possible without the adding of /, - or that kind of characters, so we can drag'n drop 2 files on the program...

If those chars should be needed in front of the filename (because of the way the current parameters are implemented), that's also fine; Then we can at least use a shortcut to quickly start our favorite language files

suggestion: make the current parameters with a / or - character. And use no trailing character for filenames... so that if no / or - character is used, filenames are assumed...

It's such a great tool! The only thing I sometimes miss is a search function ...

Well, I've fixed the limitation of 64Kb in Win 9x / Me. Patchou told me how that was done in Plus! 3 and I've been able to use his ideas to make it (my program is more complex than plus in that aspect, 'cause I have to write files too, not only read them ). Thanks to his suggestions and because lot of translators use those versions of Windows, I've updated the program. Now you can use files of any size in Windows 9x/Me (and remember that the file must be saved in ansi format, not unicode).

Well, let me know if you find any bug (in Win NT/2K/XP/2K3 it should work like before, but there may also be bugs). If you can, use Win NT/2K/XP/2K3 instead of Win 9x/Me. The program will work faster.

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Choli, can I make yet another suggestion?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
To add the ability to use two filenames as commandlines:
MsgPlusTrans.exe DefaultLg.dat Lang_Vulcan.ini

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It's such a great tool! The only thing I sometimes miss is a search function ...

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our favorite language files

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Sorry for double posting, but there's a new version: 1.2.29. I've just found a weird, non-usual but annoying bug. Sorry if this is causing you any troubles Thanks.

Another (feasible) suggestion?

Could there be a shortcut to navigate up and down the keys leaving the focus in the translator textbox?
(without having to Shift+Tab, UP/DOWN and Tab)

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Another (feasible) suggestion?

Could there be a shortcut to navigate up and down the keys leaving the focus in the translator textbox?
(without having to Shift+Tab, UP/DOWN and Tab)

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Well I'm part of a mouse-abolitionist association . And I dislike having to use the mouse each time i want to change the key.
The other thing is that I'm translating it in the laptop and I hate to use the touchpad .

Talking about dodgy DOS habits ... I'd very much like &Save! No ampersand there now.
Next version perhaps.

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Originally posted by KeyStorm
Could there be a shortcut to navigate up and down the keys leaving the focus in the translator textbox?
(without having to Shift+Tab, UP/DOWN and Tab)

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I'd very much like &Save! No ampersand there now.

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Dear Friends,


I'd downloaded translator,.. but anybody can suggest clearly how to use this?

I just see four box of 2 to input file and another 2  right down but can't put any text in

Thanks all.

Hi, supitchaya:

The program that you downloaded is NOT for translating texts. It "only" helps people how translate Messenger Plus in doing their work. If you are (or want to be) a translator, you can use it. You have to select 2 files (source and destination) with the "..." buttons next to theose unput fields. After that you can start translating.

Once again, sorry, but you won't be able to translate texts with it. Dodgy Patchou changed the title of the thread some time ago and maybe that's what made you think this was another kind of software.

* Choli restores the original title

this may sound newbish but I have no idea how this translator works it says something with a translated file and  original file.Whats up with that?

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I have no idea how this translator works

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Oh I see my bad

could you give me the source sow I can make an english - dutch, dutch - english version?

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give me the source sow I can make an english - dutch, dutch - english version

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Originally posted by Tochjo
If you wish to translate this program, which is used to translate Messenger Plus! in other languages, don't bother either: all translators translate from English to their native language, so this program doesn't need a translation

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Whenever ampersands, the &'s, appear in the original text-file, it should also be included in the translation. And therefore I think an 'ampersand alert' feature would improve the program, by making sure that translators do not forget to do them. A message box and a sound could inform the translator, when he is leaving the subsection, that no ampersand has been placed.

I've recently seen a language-file, where a translator put the percentage-symbol, the %, instead of the ampersand (an honest mistake, since the symbols are juxtaposed, side by side, on the keyboard). With an ampersand alert feature utilized, this would not happen, since the translator would be made aware of the issue.


Some trivia:

The symbol [&] is an abbreviated combination of the letters "et", the Roman word for "and". Its name is derived from a spoken form of the phrase "and per se and".

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I've recently seen a language-file, where a translator put the percentage-symbol, the %, instead of the ampersand (an honest mistake, since the symbols are juxtaposed, side by side, on the keyboard).

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Whenever ampersands, the &'s, appear in the original text-file, it should also be included in the translation.

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
And therefore I think an 'ampersand alert' feature would improve the program, by making sure that translators do not forget to do them.

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
I've recently seen a language-file, where a translator put the percentage-symbol, the %, instead of the ampersand

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
I agree that a simple ampersand alert would be useful

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altough I must point out that an ampersand collision alert would be 0wnage in thet respect.
(yes, I do realize that this would implicate the need for frequent updates of the software, and require the software to understand Plus!' menu systems and not just its language files)

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I've been misunderstood. All your points are, seen isolated from my suggestion, ok. But:

All I wanted was a feature that the translator could turn on if he wanted to, thus making some of your objections irrellevant. A simple feature. No boxes would be required, instead the small picture assigned to the subsection (at the left side of the screen) could be slightly altered (if the feature was turned on), e.g. showing a small ampersand with a red X on it.

I never wanted the feature to be able to detect other symbols, like the %, and it is quite irrellevant, since no presence of symbols would chance the subsection's status as "containing ampersand" or "not containing ampersand". If the feature was included, it would mark translations without ampersands (where the original subsections contained ampersands), no matter whether or not the subsection contained other symbols.

And - no, it would not require any updates at all. If the program is able to detect &'s, that would be all:

Feature on? 1
Are there &'s in the original file? 1
Are there &'s in the translation? 0.
Red light and cross on.
Return.

Feature on? 0
End.

(The control could be carried out whenever a subsection was left by the translator; thus not in real-time. Alternatively, the feature could be just a button that would start a check-up of the entire translation, and then mark subsections in the overview window.)

Therefore, if the feature can be programmed, it would have no downsides. If it can't, well.. then it just can't.

Dismissing this is a violation of the basic rules based on Murphy's Law. But of course, the program wouldn't be able to place the ampersands itself; it would just make it less likely that they were not placed, and thus were missing in the sent-in translation. Errors would still be possible.

It is by no means as easy as you think. Ampersand collision checking is very complex. Even checking if an ampersand is missing or not is very complex. You're forgetting that the English translation often has no ampersands where ampersands could be used, etc... Every possible key has to be indexed and connected to the type of control and dialog where it is used (or rather controls, as many keys have multiple uses, and vice versa) Also, the English original translation isn't without it's errors...

Believe me, the fastest and most correct way of ampersand checking atm is by a human using a simple texteditor!!

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if the feature can be programmed, it would have no downsides.

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It is by no means as easy as you think. Ampersand collision checking is very complex.

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"It is by no means as easy as you think. Ampersand collision checking is very complex. Even checking if an ampersand is missing or not is very complex."

I never protested against that. In fact, I said that I didn't know whether or not the feature could be programmed.

"Such a feature is not to be taken as granted. Human control and interpretation IS needed."

I never asserted that human control wasn't needed. In fact, I said that it would not make errors disappear.

"Be very carefull with trusting such features/programs. I see some translators here only trusting on Choli's application to do their stuff because it is so "easy". This is however a very bad use of the program."

It may well be, yet I'm not adressing the "Choli/.txt"-problem, I'm merely making a suggestion to aid those who are using Choli's translator. I'm not saying that everyone should use it. Why should I?

"The program is NOT meant to do full translations. It is meant as an aid to do some quick checking and quick translating. And it is excellent for that. However, translations which are made only with Choli's translator can easly be picked out because they are often full of errors and inconsistencies. Every key has to be manually checked within Messenger Plus!, consistency is to be taken in account, etc... etc..."

You're asserting that translations made with the translator are always faulty? I don't think that's true. However, I can easily see why you could come to that conclusion; because it seems quite obvious that lazy translators will be more likely to use the program than the traditionalistic, hard-working translators. But many of these lazy translators will do poor translations no matter what method they use. If the translator pays attention, Choli's translator will be as useful as the method you're currently defending, even though no one (no one here, at least) has attacked it. It shows the same things as the textfile-method contains.

"The best tool to do a good translation is still notepad or similar. Choli's translator or any other similar program are simply made to aid, not to take over the translation-process..."

I guess you're trying to do an information campaign here. But doesn't that belong in its own thread, where it would be read by those who need to be adressed? And not here, as a reply to my thread, which makes it seem like a weird pseudo-attack on a personal opinion that was never uttered?

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And - no, it would not require any updates at all. If the program is able to detect &'s, that would be all:

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I see some translators here only trusting on Choli's application to do their stuff because it is so "easy". This is however a very bad use of the program.

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
For one thing it lets you compare the translated text to the original text, so the task of checking whether your text is getting too long becomes much easier.

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
deleting entire sections or keys

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
These are things you can't do with Choli's proram. Othewise it's a fine primary tool IMO!

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
But hey, most of the time ampersand placement is similar to the English version, right?

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
You're asserting that translations made with the translator are always faulty?

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Originally posted by Choli

no, you aren't right. In theory, ampersands should be placed at the first letter of the first word that is a noun or verb of the sentence. That place is where &s make more sense. If that letter makes a collision, the next place to try is the first leter os the 2ns sillabe of that word; not the 2nd letter.
You may find this weird, but think a bit about it, that's the more logical way. And this way doesn't match with the english translation and even less with the english placements of &s.

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Originally posted by Choli

Cookie is right here. Translators: Please, check in Plus, after translating, that all texts fit in their place... The counter in my program is _not_ correct (it doesn't take into account &s and counts them as 1 character more) and it only gives an aproximate idea of the size of the resulting text. A smaller (shorter) translated text may not fit in the place where the original english text does fit. That's due to the way the text is aligned and placed between lines.

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
"It is by no means as easy as you think. Ampersand collision checking is very complex. Even checking if an ampersand is missing or not is very complex."

I never protested against that. In fact, I said that I didn't know whether or not the feature could be programmed.

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
"Such a feature is not to be taken as granted. Human control and interpretation IS needed."

I never asserted that human control wasn't needed. In fact, I said that it would not make errors disappear.

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
You're asserting that translations made with the translator are always faulty?

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
But many of these lazy translators will do poor translations no matter what method they use.

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Originally posted by NapalmLos
If the translator pays attention, Choli's translator will be as useful as the method you're currently defending, even though no one (no one here, at least) has attacked it. It shows the same things as the textfile-method contains.

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
Umm, I think you may have misunderstood my (somewhat unclearly phrased) sentence regarding this... I didn't mean that specific ampersand placement within a sentance is the same in other languages as in English (you would obviously get collisions all the time by doing this). All I'm saying is: Every time there is a & in any English key, there's supposed to be one in the translated key as well and vice versa (unless you discover some obvious mistake by Patchou).  Am I completely mistaken here?

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I know your program doesn't reproduce Plus!' internal line breaks, but at least it gives you an idea of how long your text is getting compared to the original!

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
Something you can't determine _at all_ in notepad! I realize that the need for double checking afterwards in Plus! is present using both methods, but that doesn't automatically make Notepad a better choice.

Using Choli's translator:
*Easy, comfortable translation tool with a nice font.
*Most of your translated text will fit in Plus!' confined spaces, as you saw to it that your translated texts remained shorter than the originals in Choli's program.

Using Notepad:
*Less comfortable tool. Risk of selecting a buch of keys and deleting them (at least it happens 4 me sometimes )
*More translated text won't fit Plus! since you had no idea of how much space you were consuming.

Ok, are we clear now?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
In some keys, the ampersand will result in a hotlinked letter, but in fact, can't be used.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
btw, I realy hate to "disagree" with you people (the regular pro-translators), what I'm saying here goes more for the new/lazy/newbie/unaware translator.  So don't take all this personaly

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Well. I'm glad you've now underlined who the recipients are, and so on (though I would have liked it better, if you had made it clear from the beginning). Yet, still too much remains unclear, for me to bother commenting on it all. So I'll leave it there. I myself have not got any need what-so-ever for the feature, and was merely trying to improve the software. Apparently it will never be done, so any further arguments would be futile. It wouldn't lead to any other things than the common semi-surrealistic meta-discussion, where the fact that we actually don't disagree on the real subjects would disappear.

Godspeed and farewell, fellow plussians

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and was merely trying to improve the software. Apparently it will never be done

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Ok

The ideal would be an implementation of all the translator-activites, such as checking the translating windows and menus; they could be displayed beside the translation; and could be updated when a button was clicked or just when a subsection was left. This would make the process manageable for even the laziest translators. It would also allow testers to quickly go through each translation-file and check for errors.

I don't suppose the idea is new though.

for many (if not most) dialogs that would require to create the whole Plus! interface on your own as many stuff changes according to what is pressed/selected/etc.... The only thing you could use is the layout of existing dialogs. Everything else must be recreated by yourself. Not only that, but this is again very version depended. All in all, you would end up with a copy of Plus!, the difference being that this "copy" wouldn't be functional in messenger...

In short, idea is not new, but in practice this is way to much useless work for something you could easly do in Plus! itself already.

Perhaps if Patchou made a small program featuring a long list of every single dialog box that Plus! can throw at you... You'd be able to quickly go over all of 'em and make any necessary changes. As Plus! has an ever increasing number of dialogs (some of them being hard or nearly impossible to find and open), something like this might just prove to be a success.

(maybe this was a bit close to what NapalmLos suggested.. but hey.. )

Hmm.. come to think of it there was once a document with instructions on how to open every single dialog.. is Patch still keeping that up-to-date?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
for many (if not most) dialogs that would require to create the whole Plus! interface on your own as many stuff changes according to what is pressed/selected/etc.... The only thing you could use is the layout of existing dialogs. Everything else must be recreated by yourself. Not only that, but this is again very version depended. All in all, you would end up with a copy of Plus!, the difference being that this "copy" wouldn't be functional in messenger...

In short, idea is not new, but in practice this is way to much useless work for something you could easly do in Plus! itself already.

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Originally posted by ZrednaZ
Perhaps if Patchou made a small program featuring a long list of every single dialog box that Plus! can throw at you... You'd be able to quickly go over all of 'em and make any necessary changes. As Plus! has an ever increasing number of dialogs (some of them being hard or nearly impossible to find and open), something like this might just prove to be a success.

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Hmm.. come to think of it there was once a document with instructions on how to open every single dialog.. is Patch still keeping that up-to-date?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
how to reproduce the errormessages... etc...

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how to reproduce the errormessages... etc...

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that example is a bad one Error messages are the easiest texts to translate. They are displayed in a standar Windows message box, which is automatically resized to hold all the text it contains, so in those cases there's no problem in making a longer sentence.

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Hi, Choli:
I have used the your translator to my job of translation of the Messenger Plus! to português from Brasil with success. Thank you. I don't know if my doubt was already posted and answered here in the forum (didn't give for reading everything). if yes, please show me.

In the translation of some (random) sentences, the program insists on adding a "s", "r" or "a" in the end of the sentence. What could be happening? I was not observed that happens in a certain session. . . but I think it is something random.
Thank you for support.
Dr. Heyder

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Originally posted by Heyder
the program insists on adding a "s", "r" or "a" in the end of the sentence.

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I've used this translator quite a lot myself. Never noticed it adding any letters by itself, though. Sounds really weird!

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Originally posted by Heyder
the program insists on adding a "s", "r" or "a" in the end of the sentence.

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what do you mean with that? could you post an example of sentence where that happens?
The program is not supposed to do anything srtange with "s", "r" or "a"
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Can I use this tool to translate MP!L too?

Yes the tool can also be used to translate MP!L, atleast you can if i read a reply to one of my threads a short while back

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Originally posted by giken
Can I use this tool to translate MP!L too?

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I found a rather strange bug... :/ Take a look at the screenshot:



The :-[ :-[ :-[ is displayed wrongly in the textboxes. It appears that some certain display-direction controllers have been inserted...

Anyway, it's nothing serious for that entry, but if this happens for other, "regular" entries then it'd be a pain in neck

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Originally posted by Mnjul
I found a rather strange bug... :/ Take a look at the screenshot:



The :-[ :-[ :-[ is displayed wrongly in the textboxes. It appears that some certain display-direction controllers have been inserted...

Anyway, it's nothing serious for that entry, but if this happens for other, "regular" entries then it'd be a pain in neck

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* Matti wonders how that comes...

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Originally posted by Mnjul
I found a rather strange bug... :/ Take a look at the screenshot:



The :-[ :-[ :-[ is displayed wrongly in the textboxes. It appears that some certain display-direction controllers have been inserted...

Anyway, it's nothing serious for that entry, but if this happens for other, "regular" entries then it'd be a pain in neck

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hehe... that's a known bug, but as noone had reported it before, I assumed that I was the only who knew about it

When I noticed the bug, it was with the text "3,1", which is used in a special key in the spanish translation. It happened something similar: the symbol (in this case, the comma) appears after the following character: "31,". I tried to fix it, but I still don't know why it happens.

In my tests, I saw a very interesting thing: Just after opening the translator, the first key you display does not have the problem: Make this test, Mnjul, Cookie...: Open the translator, select the files and go to that key. It should be displayed correctly. Now, go to another key and go back to the first one. The problem is there In order to "fix" the problem, you have to close and restart the translator again.

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Originally posted by Mnjul
Anyway, it's nothing serious for that entry, but if this happens for other, "regular" entries then it'd be a pain in neck

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Originally posted by Choli
In my tests, I saw a very interesting thing: Just after opening the translator, the first key you display does not have the problem: Make this test, Mnjul, Cookie...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
RichEditControl bug?

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Does it work for translation with Messenger Plus! Live?

EDIT: Well it works... I'll try translate in Greek

Choli add "Search" function.

Options:

"Search in translated text"

and

"Search in untranslated text"

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Originally posted by [Sebek]
Choli add "Search" function.

Options:

"Search in translated text"

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"Search in untranslated text"

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Originally posted by Apatik
Seems like the thread is in a private forum

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God!!! This is the 6541654614th time already... Why are all those things in the beta testing forum (and why don't I check it first ).... /me goes to report for moving it

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Originally posted by [Sebek]
Choli add "Search" function.

Options:

"Search in translated text"

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"Search in untranslated text"

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for stuff like that I suggest to use a simple (or advanced, whatever you prefer) texteditor to create your language (eg: notepad).

The Translation tool is "only" a tool. It is not meant as the unique and only thing to make your entire translation in. If you do that, you'll find that your translation will actually contain many bugs, inconsistancies, etc...

Out of experience I can say that it is far easier to use your texteditor first (and to start a new translation, make a copy of the English file and use that as your base), and afterwards check your translation for missing keys and what not against the original english one with this Translation Tool.



PS: The above is meant in case you do use the tool as an unique and only thing to make your translation in... Despite that, a search function would be nice...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS2: There is also a Translator Script for Plus!Live, which is in essence almost the same as this standalone tool. Also made by Choli.

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thanks for the suggestions, but my point of view is the same as cookie's. Anyway, i'm working on a new version of the translator, which fixes all the bugs of the current version and adds more features. Maybe I'll add the search thingy. But the progress is very slow, I don't have any free time, not even for reading a the forums and write this answer

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS2: There is also a Translator Script for Plus!Live, which is in essence almost the same as this standalone tool. Also made by Choli.

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Well, not to revieve this thread... But are you far in progress of the new translator?

I have a beta version, which is buggy and probably doesn't work with the current version of Plus Live. I won't release a new version until it has, at least, all the features of the current one. Anyway, now all the big work of the translation is already done, so it doesn't matter if the translator live is delayed

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I have a beta version, which is buggy and probably doesn't work with the current version of Plus Live. I won't release a new version until it has, at least, all the features of the current one. Anyway, now all the big work of the translation is already done, so it doesn't matter if the translator live is delayed

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A plsc. Where would the point be if I do another exe? The current one works fine and handles the translation files of Plus Live as well as it did with the ones of the old Plus 3

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Originally posted by Choli
oint be if I do another exe?  The current one works fine and handles the translation files of Plus Live as well as it did with the ones of the old Plus 3

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The current exe will still be available for download . Anyway, if the translation program is only to translate Plus' files, why not doing it a script of plus? Also, doing it a script, I have some advantages: I have a nicer look, full support for RTL languages, no bugs of the rich edit control, no VB issues when converting unicode<->ansi, etc....

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Originally posted by Choli
l be available for download . Anyway, if the translation program is only to translate Plus' files, why not doing it a script of plus? Also, doing it a script, I have some advantages: I have a nicer look, full support for RTL languages, no bugs of the rich edit control, no VB issues when converting unicode<->ansi, etc....

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Originally posted by Zakk
Thai Translation

Hey There people. I would just like to know if there is a English to Thai translation available? Or is the " MsgPlusTrans" software capable of that.?

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Originally posted by Tochjo
It allows the translators of this program (and translators of other programs might use it as well) to quickly translate English text to another language. This is not a program that automatically translates text for you

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Hello.
I tried to make lng file for russian and i can't do it. It's not correct make translation for our native language.
For example:
my translation

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LanguageNameLocal=Ðóññêèé
MenuPreferences=&Íàñòðîéêè...

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LanguageNameLocal=?onneee
MenuPreferences=&Iano?ieee...

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can you tell me which version of windows you have?

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Originally posted by hotZED
Maybe it's not support some codepage or convertion is not right?

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Originally posted by hotZED
And one more:
when choose file in file types is Translated files (Lang_*.ini) but must be Translated files (Lng_*.ini)
(i'm use Messenger Plus! Live 4.11.254)

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Originally posted by Choli
Also when you create your file, assure you save it in Unicode format

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Originally posted by Choli
yeah, it's a known limitation. In Plus! 2 and Plus! 3, language files were names Lang_*.ini but now in Plus Live 4 they're Lng_*.ini. That will be fixed in the next version of the translator, which i'll release..... i don't know when Maybe someday I have nothing to do and continue coding it (it's already in progress)

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why I cant  start that translator every time is
"Run-time error '339':
Component 'Richtx32.ocx' or one of its dependencies not correctly registered: a file is missing or invalid"

See the first post of this thread:

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Notes:
If the program gives you an error of a missing file try to donwload this file: MPTF.exe (894 Kb). It's a self-extracting RAR compressed file which contains msvbvm60.dll, Richtx32.ocx and comctl32.ocx. (at least) These files are requiered in order the program can work.

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See the first post of this thread:

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Notes:
If the program gives you an error of a missing file try to donwload this file: MPTF.exe (894 Kb). It's a self-extracting RAR compressed file which contains msvbvm60.dll, Richtx32.ocx and comctl32.ocx. (at least) These files are requiered in order the program can work.

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It is very useful but it has something that annoys me very much. When you select another key, it goes back to English and so I have to push
Shift+Alt in order to go back to my original language and translate the key. Could this be fixed? Thanks.

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Originally posted by Basilis
It is very useful but it has something that annoys me very much. When you select another key, it goes back to English and so I have to push
Shift+Alt in order to go back to my original language and translate the key. Could this be fixed? Thanks.

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I would be glad to aid Choli in case he doesn't have the time though

Shift + Alt is used to change language. So, I have Greek as my language and when I finish translating a key and move to another, it goes back to English. That is what I mean.

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he also once said he wont make any updates since it does still work though.

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I would be glad to aid Choli in case he doesn't have the time though

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Shift + Alt is used to change language

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Originally posted by Basilis
I have Greek as my language and when I finish translating a key and move to another, it goes back to English. That is what I mean.

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He's talking about the keyboard layout switching thing in Windows. Alt+Shift does change the input language of your keyboard, if you set multiple languages to be available through that feature, that is.

Cannot reproduce the bug here, though.

Exactly. So, could we set a keyboard language that doesn't change when you save one key and get to the other? Only if it is possible

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He's talking about the keyboard layout switching thing in Windows. Alt+Shift does change the input language of your keyboard, if you set multiple languages to be available through that feature, that is.

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Originally posted by Basilis
So, could we set a keyboard language that doesn't change when you save one key and get to the other? Only if it is possible

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It is Greek. Anyway, I don't mind. Your program is awesome and it helped me very much translating Plus into Greek. Keep up the good work!

Isn't it so that a RichEdit control can have its own 'input locale' (=combination of input language and keyboardlayout)? Maybe this can be set by some API (EM_SETLANGOPTIONS? EM_SETTEXTMODE? EM_SETIMESTATUS? WM_INPUTLANGCHANGEREQUEST? LoadKeyboardLayout? ActivateKeyboardLayout? dunno). In that case it might be possible to set it the same as the user's global input language setting. Although, I can imagine that this on its turn might be inconvenient for people who want to translate for example Chinese when their global input language is set to English (thus the opposite of what Basilis is experiencing). Could be an option....

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Originally posted by Choli
quick note: i won't update the current version (at least whili it is compatible and works with the correct files of plus).

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However that doesn't mean I won't release any other new version. In fact (maybe cooki will remember) I started to do version 2 of the translator when Plus 4.0 was still in beta stage;

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Of course, the other day someone requested for an aid in translating and I suggested both to them (this standalone, and the beta script): CookieRevised's reply to Czech translation for Plus! Live 4.60.0.324

* CookieRevised even thinks this Translator is such a 'classic' that it should be listed in the Plus! Tools section in the DB

One last suggestion. Could you make the window able to maximize or at least be a little bigger?

EDIT: Also, it would be helpful if we could copy past text?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Isn't it so that a RichEdit control can have its own 'input locale' (=combination of input language and keyboardlayout)?

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
In that case it might be possible to set it the same as the user's global input language setting. Although, I can imagine that this on its turn might be inconvenient for people who want to translate for example Chinese when their global input language is set to English (thus the opposite of what Basilis is experiencing). Could be an option....

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
like the standard file selections which are still for Plus! 3, enabling drag and drop for the language file inputs

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
and a sizeable window

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Originally posted by Basilis
Could you make the window able to maximize or at least be a little bigger?

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Also, it would be helpful if we could copy past text?

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you can use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V already, can't you?

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New version !

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Could you make the window able to maximize or at least be a little bigger?

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Thanks Choli. You offer too much to the community

Funciona a la perfecció, gràcies.

It works perfectly, thanks

This tool has some problem when I open existing translation for update. It shows several empty key-value pairs with exclamation mark icon.

Also it has some problem with typing Japanese or Korean characters.
I'm thinking of writing an equivalent tool in C++ or C#. For unicode and IME compatibility, using .NET for user interface and regular expressions would be a decent option. What is your idea?

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It shows several empty key-value pairs with exclamation mark icon

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Also it has some problem with typing Japanese or Korean characters.

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For unicode and IME compatibility, using .NET for user interface and regular expressions would be a decent option

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I'm thinking of writing an equivalent tool in C++ or C#. What is your idea?

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Which ones? The tool is supposed to work correctly with Japanese and Korean characters.

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What do regular expressions have to do with Unicode? The text (Unicode or not) should be entered as is in the text box area and the program reads it and that's all... I don't see the need of regular expresions... the program should process the text without making any difference depending on the encoding or language.

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Well, of course you're free of writing whatever program you want.... but I don't see a real reason of doing so I think that the program works quite well and there are only a couple of small issues which are not very important and don't prevent the program for working correctly. In addition, I'm planing on doing a new version with more features and with those issues solved (and, of course, full real unicode support ). But that will be during the following months, not tomorrow

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I mentioned using regular expressions because it can extract key-value pairs much more efficiently.

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since dealing with bi-directional text is a nightmare

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Bug report: buttons for browsing paths show weird chracters for me. (Broken Korean characters; supposedly charset issue.)

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Currently, the program uses GetPrivateProfileStringW and similar functions, therefore the handling of the *.ini files is as efficient as it can be (because it is handled by Windows) .

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The text in those buttons is three dots: "..." You shouldn't have any problem viewing them. Are you using the default system font and the correct character encoding in your Windows?

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Currently, the program uses GetPrivateProfileStringW and similar functions, therefore the handling of the *.ini files is as efficient as it can be (because it is handled by Windows) .

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Oh, I think I couldn't even think about it because I remember MS discouraged using it. Good pointing out

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The text in those buttons is three dots: "..." You shouldn't have any problem viewing them. Are you using the default system font and the correct character encoding in your Windows?

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I think it should be, but it shows weird characters for me. DBCS locale (Korean) might be the cause.

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Prepairing a new sloven version with my friend
alredy testing it



Slovenski,Slovenija

Hi, everyone, I downloaded yesterday the Translator. It worked fine, but it automatically changed my input language to english and I couldn't write my language letters, so I've deleted it. After that, it didn't change my input lang anymore and I was translating "not being annoyed anymore". Today I started to translate with the tool, but when I input the 2 files, it crashes. In the moment, my lang bar disappears and appears again. Is it crashing just because I deleted the English input language? :/

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Originally posted by kekani95
Hi, everyone, I downloaded yesterday the Translator. It worked fine, but it automatically changed my input language to english and I couldn't write my language letters, so I've deleted it. After that, it didn't change my input lang anymore and I was translating "not being annoyed anymore". Today I started to translate with the tool, but when I input the 2 files, it crashes. In the moment, my lang bar disappears and appears again. Is it crashing just because I deleted the English input language? :/

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Originally posted by kekani95
Hi, everyone, I downloaded yesterday the Translator. It worked fine, but it automatically changed my input language to english and I couldn't write my language letters, so I've deleted it. After that, it didn't change my input lang anymore and I was translating "not being annoyed anymore". Today I started to translate with the tool, but when I input the 2 files, it crashes. In the moment, my lang bar disappears and appears again. Is it crashing just because I deleted the English input language? :/

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there is nothing in the program which manipulates the input language if I checked correctly

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To clarify: are you realy talking about the Translator tool from Choli, which you have downloaded from this post:
Messenger Plus! Translator ?

Because at first I thought you were talking about something else, but now I'm in doubt. If you are talking about something else, say so, and the thread will be split to a more appropiate place.

If you are talking about the Translator tool from Choli, than that shouldn't influence you Windows input language though.... (there is nothing in the program which manipulates the input language if I checked correctly)... So, maybe it could be that you accidently pressed the hotkey to switch input languages, like Arcticwolfx suggested?
PS: you can disable these language-switch hotkeys in Windows though. You actually don't need them either if you use the language bar in Windows.

And this said, if your native language is a western language or something you don't need multiple input languages. You can safely remove every other language you might have installed or enabled in that case. Of course, if you use languages like Arabic, Chinese, etc... and you also want to use the English keyboard, then yeah, you need multiple input languages I think.

The crashing... dunno... It never has crashed on me (and I have used it extensivly).

What windows version are you using btw?

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Originally posted by kekani95
when I write some letters from my language (ISO-8859-2) (some letters, like ž, not all),after save, I check it, and there aren't the letters I mentioned.

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Originally posted by kekani95
some letters, like ž, not all

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I've got translation problem.

I use MsgPlusTrans.exe to translate the *.ini file, but once I press save in the MsgPlusTrans.exe and select other section then go back the one I saved, it shows empty in the translated texts.

Which means I cannot edit it, just stay in blank(empty)

Does the problem common? or just me have this kind problem?

with windows 7 (32bits)

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Originally posted by kaiconan
I've got translation problem.

I use MsgPlusTrans.exe to translate the *.ini file, but once I press save in the MsgPlusTrans.exe and select other section then go back the one I saved, it shows empty in the translated texts.

Which means I cannot edit it, just stay in blank(empty)

Does the problem common? or just me have this kind problem?

with windows 7 (32bits)

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
That shouldn't happen. One of the reasons I can think of why it happens is that the permission is not set correctly for the folder and/or file you're writing too (and the translator tool not showing an error message but simply ignoring it). Since Windows Vista such stuff needs to be taken in account. So, make sure you (and thus the translator tool) have full reading and writing permissions.

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