i think patchou should put the hide advertisment bar option back in, the little thing gets very annoying

if not, is there anywhere i could find a pluging the dose that?

Patchou has valid reasons for not supporting ad banner removal in MSN Messenger 7, however, I can see how it's hard for some people to understand why. I don't think he will be adding it back, however...

There are other patches that do remove ads in MSN Messenger 7. One place that those patches are available is Mess.be. Go to the Messenger 7 section, you will find a list of patches.

Good luck!

No, Patchou wont put it back in.

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Originally posted by Choli
Patchou adds an optional sponsor to earn money. It's optional, but if nobody installs it, Patchou doesn't earn money, so Patchou wants that people installs the sponsor (maybe not all his users, but some percentage). In this scenario, isn't it strange that Patchou removes the banner, that gives MS money? I understand Patchou and his decission. The same as Patchou, behind Messenger there are lots of programmers that have to earn money. MS gets that money from the ads in messenger. So it's illogical that Patchou will remove the banner, imo.

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Originally posted by Chrono
Since patchou has his own (optional) sponsor program, he knows that the money they make by showing these ads is important to them.

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Originally posted by Demandred
So why didn't Patchou removed it in previous releases then?

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Originally posted by Patchou
I removed it only now because the technical change in Messenger 7 forced me to reconsider the feature.

Please, try to understand, I know some of you really don't like this but it is final (and its not like mess.be didn't offer alternatives).

(...)

I assure you that Microsoft never asked me to remove this option from Messenger. But again, they want Messenger 7 to start generating some real revenue for them and I'm not going to cause them troubles. There will always be other addons/patches to do that anyway so you'll always have an option, one way or the other.

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Well, since this was the main reason I used Messenger Plus, thanks for having a nice program for a while. Goodbye.

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Originally posted by ogman
Well, since this was the main reason I used Messenger Plus, thanks for having a nice program for a while. Goodbye.

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i think i read before that applying patches can break plus! compatability sometimes, especially the polygamy patches.
will applying hide ad-banner patches cause any trouble for
plus ?!?!

personally, i wish thats plus could be all-in-one program,
and not using several programs beside plus to get stuff the way i like. i wish this could hold true, i thought that after signing-in with any status was added to msn7, i will not need anything other than plus (as that was the only missing thing for me) ....

anyways, just sm1 tell me, does patching messenger conflict with plus...

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Originally posted by zaidgs
anyways, just sm1 tell me, does patching messenger conflict with plus...

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Hi Everyone,

Whilst I most certainly respect Patchou's decision in principle, the argument about taking revenue away from M$ is pretty lame...

Lets remember that we are talking about one of the worst things that ever hapened to the IT industry here... They have essentially been butt F*%&ing the entire world ever since M$DOS became the defacto standard.

If you wanted to purchase M$Windows XP Pro & Office 2003 Pro, the cost is higher than an entire new computer!!

M$ can handle the loss of the few pennies the ads give them.. the programmers (although I believe most of them don't deserve the title) certainly aren't going to go hungry.. M$ employees are some of the best paid in the world!

Like I said, If patchou wants to take the ad banner removal out of Plus on a matter of principle, then that is his right, but those that think it's because M$ will lose revenue are living in Cloud Cuck-Coo Land!

Patchou: Keep it up! I Love Messenger Plus, it makes using Messenger almost bearable

Dash

That's very much beside the point. MSN Messenger is thanks to Microsoft, and I think Patchou has some respect for the product that he has based his software on.

Weather they are rich or poor isn't really an issue here. It's about principle. Maybe think of it from their point of view. If you created a Messenger program, but millions of people were able to bypass the ads which was a source of revenue for you, would you be slightly frustrated?

As for the fact that you don't think they'll lose money, well, do you know how much they get from it? Have you seen their figures? Do you know how they distribute their money around the company? Hmmm. They've put ads their for a reason.

Other patches remove them, Patchou doesn't want to be the one who is taking away a source of their income. It's not that difficult to understand. So just happily march along and use an alternative patch if the ads bother you (I can stand MSN Messenger ads, it's the AIM ads with stupid mouse over popups that are a pain).

Would you do the same in Patchou's position? I know I would.

I support patchou with the removal of the advertisment bar option...

it something that should've been realised before and its quite amazing that nobody got even the faintest idea that msg plus was on the similar life support and advertisements were very important

great job patchou i think you made the right choice

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Originally posted by zaidgs
i think i read before that applying patches can break plus! compatability sometimes, especially the polygamy patches.
will applying hide ad-banner patches cause any trouble for
plus ?!?!

personally, i wish thats plus could be all-in-one program,
and not using several programs beside plus to get stuff the way i like. i wish this could hold true, i thought that after signing-in with any status was added to msn7, i will not need anything other than plus (as that was the only missing thing for me) ....

anyways, just sm1 tell me, does patching messenger conflict with plus...

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Where the MSN today button and the Email buttons go when your signed in.

I can't find it, does this look right?

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I can't find it, does this look right?

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aha, I was looking for a "default" setting

I am not sure if the technical reason was posted or not for the banner removal but here is [b]MY[/b[ technical reason for it. Its not a part of revenue generation but the fact that the MSN Messenger team wrapped their entire contact list control (including tabs, the search bar, and advertisement bar, etc) in a DirectHUI window. From what I remember these are all created when the program is run they are not seperate controls so Patchou would need to change the entire banner HIDING (not Removal there is a big difference, Patchou hid the window and resized the contact list, he never removed it). Now since everything is stored in a UFile (hence the created at run time part) Patchou would have to try and patch the UFile in memory which is harder then just hiding the window.

Lets please stop bugging him about the banner removal as this feature is "dead" on MSN Messenger 7. Like stated before there are plenty of patchs available for MSN Messenger so...

Thats the end of my speil, I hope it made some sense, I am working on a little bit of sleep had a tossing and turning night... Time go go program...

I don't think i should do this tho, you guys trust me when you install my software... maybe I should program while awake)

Matty: u're not entirely correct, the tabs can be removed by changing your registry values

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Matty: u're not entirely correct, the tabs can be removed by changing your registry values

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aha, I was looking for a "default" setting

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I will no longer be recommending Messenger Plus, nor will I be using it.  The additional features are not useful to me and the only reason I kept it on my system was to remove the advertising bar at the bottom of Messenger.  Now that Microsoft is allowing logging (without Messenger+)  I can't too many reasons to keep Messenger Plus on my system...

Here is a link to a tool that will allow you to remove the ad bar even though messenger plus has lost this functionality:

http://www.msgshit.com/downloads/447

It's called the MSN 7 Universal Patcher++

Hope this helps