Shoutbox

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Only when there is no need for multilines, (like in the address bar) then Ctrl-Enter may have the same function as Enter...

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
Open Outlook Express. Compose a little email, remembering to fill in the address field. Now press ctrl-enter.  The email has been sent.

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The body textarea of the mail is a multiline textbox.
Btw, I think Shift-Enter has, and always should have, a newline function, in multiline textboxes, but Ctrl-Enter never really had that fuction. Ctrl-Enter isn't generally standardised throughout windows applications, which is exactly the reason why ICQ and many other messangers used that key combination to invoke the Send, whereas with Enter, being the replacement of "Return", being the actual line-feed, it would only be logic that it has the function to add a line, rather than to invoke, in a multiline conversation box. The reason we all think it isn't logic, is because we're so very used to it sending the message, rather than newlining. Enter always has and always will newline in a textarea.
If we have a textarea in an options dialog, and we press enter to newline in it, and the dialog closes because it assumes that the Enter key was supposed to invoke the "Ok" button, we get irritated.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
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Originally posted by QWasson
Isn't the MSN9 protocol a standard? Doesn't MsgPlus add features on top of that protocol for the benifit of its users?
Plus! doesn't touch the protocol...

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He didn't say it does, he said it added features unsupported by the way MSN Messenger handles the protocol.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
The way Ctrl-Enter and Enter works is VERY consistent in all Windows apps and you can ask any developer how it is implemented.

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Shift-Enter, yes, newline - no new paragraph
Enter, yes, newline - in all multilie textfields
Ctrl-Enter, no, it does not have a consistant meaning, and if it does, please do enlighten me.

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Originally posted by bach_m
OMG! 35 RESULTS!!!!

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How childish.

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Originally posted by ahtuin
I am a little puzzled by the flat refusal to consider the suggested change as worthwhile.  He is not asking for the change to be compulsory usage for everyone, only that there be an option for users to select their own particular choice of key(s).  Presumably the existing setup will remain as the default, with any changes being made through user options.  He didn't send any thoughts on how the selection might be made.

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Which is exactly why I am perplexed by this refusal, I do ask Patchou to reconscidder and/or back his arguements properly so that we may follow in his logic and understand why his choice is what it is.

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
PS: and on the "doom"-keys... even for righthanded people (keyboard on left hand, mouse on the right) the arrow keys are number 1 choice! There is nothing ackward about it... Keys like "AWSD" in games are made because of the possebility of playing with two people at the same keyboard (player 1 uses the arrow keys, and player 2 the laternative keys (eg awsd"))

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Arrow keys are not the nr1 choice, they are the logic choice. For gamers, it has, after lots of experience, become more than clear that the space between your hands which is larger when using the QZSD (azerty) keys rather than the arrow keys gives you a very large accuracy benefit in controling the mouse and offers you a more dynamic access to other alternative keys around the main control keys. Arrow keys were used in old games because of the logic, experience learned gamers that they are not optimal, so games which offered customisation were customised in a way to optimise the gaming experience. Since you're most likely not a "hardcore" gamer, just like me, frankly, you probably don't really understand how those keys could be more handy. But trust me, they are.
And this isn't as much off topic as you would believe, because it very beautifully illustrates how customisation can result in optimisation of usage. We all need standards, and we all need to comply to them to understand each other and keep the order around us. But defaults are what should learn us standards, when people decide defaults aren't suitable for their needs, then they should have the right to personalise them. Hence why so many experienced users prefer Linux/Litestep/..., only because windows offers them a too limited range of customisations. Just as is the case with the existance of tweaking sites, and how everybody who knows how to control their pc a little, wants to tweak & personalise it.

~lhun

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If Patchou really refuses, then you can always do it by downloading a program that can send keystrokes on Ctrl-Enter in a specific WindowClass.. =/