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Originally posted by Chestah
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
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Originally posted by Chestah
This puts Patchou in a really weird position.
No it doesn't...
Reasons? People are continually becomming more conscious of spyware/adware etc
And that is a good thing. People should be aware of which things are what.
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Originally posted by Chestah
and even though we know that it is not this and its merely an optional sponsor the average public don't know this. No matter how much advertising and helping people, some just won't understand and will not use plus - this may be a minority but i can only see this increasing in the future. As people learn more about spyware they'll just categorise msgplus! as bad straight away before even investigating that its optional.
On the contrary, if people learn more about spyware and adware and stuff, they become more aware to read stuff, learn stuff, know stuff, etc and less people will categorize Plus! as bad malicious spyware, but rather as a program containing optional adware, which is, after all, the truth...
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Originally posted by Chestah
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
The point is to promote Messenger Plus!, not to promote all the various unofficial sources where you can download Messenger Plus!. Although, less people will stumble across Messenger Plus! now, this doesn't mean it goes against the purpose of promoting it...
Patchou wants maximum visibility with the new version of Plus! Esp. because of the new custom emote sound feature which will attract even more users! The point of this competition is to let more people know about Plus! hence more people downloading it and using it!
Yes, but not by downloading it from various unofficial sites. There is a massive huge difference between promoting Plus!, and promoting to download it from unofficial sites (which is NOT a good thing).
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Originally posted by Chestah
Its discouraging while in the background many unofficial download sources that inevitably promote Plus through visibility are removing Plus! from their sites! As i said above: as more people are becomming aware of what dangerous spyware can do companies are mass producing anti-spyware software that catergorises Plus! as dangerous for your computer - even though we know even if the sponsor is installed its not dangerous at all, the general public will believe their anti-spyware software.
You are putting things too much on 1 heap (is that an english expression?):
It is not because 1 company has now a zero-tolerance to any form of advertising that suddenly everybody is going to make anti-spyware software that will categorise Plus! as being bad and that everybody is blindly going to believe that....
And besides, what is wrong with a zero-tolerance to advertising? They didn't say Plus! is a malicous spyware, didn't they? And companies which make anti-spyware software do not depend on such download sites to base their findings on either.
Those two things aren't related.
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Originally posted by Chestah
All the background activity going on at the moment which i only see to increase in the future is going against Patchou's original purpose of this promotion.
Nope, it isn't....
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Originally posted by Chestah
Yes the competition is to promote Plus! - so more people will start using Patchou's software. Promotion = Attracting more users. With download.com simply removing programs such as Plus! this will automatically slightly lower the amount of new users downloading Plus!
Promotion = Attracting more users => means attracting more users to www.msgplus.net, not to download.com!
And tbh, download.com wasn't much of a promotion to Plus! anyways if you read all the stupid comments from people. Removing Plus! from there can be actually a good thing...
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Originally posted by Chestah
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Just because one site gets rid of Msgr Plus! doesn't mean it won't be as popular.
True for the meanwhile, but as i've said above: more people are starting to think Plus! contains dangerous spyware
No... If it isn't on download.com in the first place, it will not have stupid and false comments which say it contains spyware in the first place... (as it are those comments on such sites which people base their "findings" on)
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Originally posted by Chestah
and as more sites follow download.com's example this means even more (slightly) people won't know about plus that their could be if their was no sponsor.
Errrmm... hu? The only disadvantage from removing it from download.com is that people will not know about the existence of Plus! if they go to there. Unless they visit decent sites which state the truth about it (mess.be, fanatic, plus forums, etc). The big advantages is that stupid anti-Plus! comments aren't present anymore on download.com and above all can't be read and believed by those new people.
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Originally posted by Chestah
Also theres the issue with anti-spyware programs.
These have nothing todo with the download.com issue at all.
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Originally posted by Chestah
I'm sure that if everyone realised that the sponsor was not dangerous and it was completely optional there would be no problems. But not everyone knows this, espicially people that don't know alot about computers.
Hence removing Plus! from sites where any dipsh*t can enter a comment can be a good thing...
If it means that thousand ("stupid") people can't read, believe and spread the false comments anymore, against a few hundred (sensible) people who can read between the BS and who otherwise would download Plus!, then it is a very good thing (even good for the promotion).
"better no promotion then bad promotion"
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Originally posted by -rafy-
Many people are simply just labeling plus spyware and not using it at all. I'm sure you have all seen the thousands of "Is plus spyware threads" all over the internet. (In fact there was a new one on this forum today) The fact is some people do not know its optional, hell they dont even know its there untill they see its effects.
they label it as that mostly because they read the comments on it on sites like download.com...
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Originally posted by -rafy-
Remember most people who use plus are probally less computer illiterate than us.
1) And thus can't distinguish between a true comment and a false comment on such sites.
2) And thus didn't know that Plus! once was available on download.com in the first place (to wonder why it was removed).
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Originally posted by -rafy-
A battle is being fought against adware by the majority of internet users. Seems funny that we here are the ones that are supporting it.
We are not supporting that. We are supporting the fact that people should be AWARE of which things are what and which things they install and what those software packages do... aka: we support "knowledge"...
If people are "educated" (wha, fancy word
), like we try to do here, they become aware of the major differences in spyware, adware, virusses, etc and there wouldn't be any problem in the first place.
This is just the same as the fact that I never was (and never will be) a big supporter of direct download/mirror links to software on unofficial sites but rather direct links to informative official sites where the user has all the crucial info he needs...
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