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Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union
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O.P. RE: RE: Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union
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Originally posted by Adeptus
I should note that the Allies victory and the end of WWII was not a factor contributing to Soviet occupation of Estonia.  That was already a part of the agreement between USSR and Hitler's Germany (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and the outcome for Estonia would have been the same either way.


I agree. However, there was an occupation (though the pact wasn't respectable at all). I just don't understand why they keep turning it down. I don't think they're ashamed because of that. Rather - denying history is disgraceful.

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The Soviet occupation of Baltic states was an act by a regime that no longer exists even in Russia.  Blaming all people of Russian nationality for it is probably not very fair.


Im not blaming every russian. Instead, im blaming the authority and administration of their country. I've been to Russia, i have seen that actually people living there can be very nice. Nevertheless, russians are those who are dominating Russia. I hope it's just a bad coincidence that Russia's ruleing people react like this to something that isn't so abnormal.

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Originally posted by Supersonicdarky
to the point, why does it really matter? its just a random monument. will it effect your everyday life if it stays or not? probably not. so why be so angry?


No, it's not a random statue. The monument has remained at it's location in peace and quiet until last couple years. There are few people who are very sensitive about justice and overrule conserning independence of Estonia (for example, people who fought in the War of Independence) and these persons started to express their dissatisfaction about the statue. From that moment on, there has been several conflicts between estonians and local russians by the monument. For now, there's been 24/7 surveillance for half a year around the monument. Affected by this, lately government decided to validate the new law.

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Overall, I think it's time for the Baltic states and Russia to get over the past and move on with the future.  Historical, cultural and economic connections have always existed there and probably should continue to.


Yes, of course. It's pointless to live in past, especially in this scenario. Estonia would gladly move on and in my opinion, this is the way to move on. Unfortunately it's not a process that Russia would like. And im afraid that there will be very few of them.
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Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union - by rix on 01-24-2007 at 10:20 PM
RE: Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union - by Rolando on 01-24-2007 at 10:44 PM
RE: Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union - by foaly on 01-25-2007 at 12:37 AM
RE: Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union - by Adeptus on 01-25-2007 at 04:18 AM
RE: Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union - by Supersonicdarky on 01-25-2007 at 04:58 AM
RE: RE: Russia criticizing Estonia for removing monuments honoring Soviet union - by rix on 01-25-2007 at 02:19 PM


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