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Originally posted by Vilkku
Seems like I am going to post here after all, even if I said to myself that I would stay out of this thread. Without agreeing or disagreeing, let me post a quick comment:

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Originally posted by ddunk

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Originally posted by Discrate
It mostly the people who hang around on the irc  who pick on the new members, so really most of you guys are morons

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Wow. Seriously. Fuck off. You've been on IRC like, three times? The first time you decide you want to flame the fuck out of us, then when you come back you expect us to be nice to you? Really?

Not one regular on IRC negatively repped the person mentioned at the start of this topic. Don't bring personal vendettas into this just because we aren't nice to you because you annoyed us first.

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Even if we pick on new members in #banana it shouldn't be related back here, I know this might sound silly but #banana isn't officially related to Plus! anymore, it's just the most popular chat channel where the members meet. There is an official chat channel (#msgplus.chat), and if you would get picked on there you could report us and we would deserve getting banned.
On the forums I try to act as properly as possible, not "flaming" people for doing various things (I many, however, rant a bit about it on #banana, because that is somewhere else). If the member happens to be in that channel, he will of course get insulted, but he doesn't have to drag it to the forums.
In short, what I am trying to say is what is happening in #banana should be kept in #banana and not be dragged to the forums.
And now I'm gonna try to make and example of what I mean, which will probably be extremely bad:
Imagine that you are in a classroom (this is the forum), and you start talking crap about the teacher (and somehow breaking the school rules that say that no craptalking of teachers is allowed). You would then be taken to the principals office.
Now, on the break (official MsgPlus IRC channels) you and your friends are talking crap about the teacher, but no teacher is there so nothing happens to you - but if a teacher came or someone would tell about it to a teacher you would be again taken to the principals office because you were in school.
Finally, after school somewhere else (unofficial IRC channels), you and your friends are of course talking about the teacher. Suddenly, the teacher walks in and hears everything. But because it's not in school he can't enforce the school rules and nothing would happen to you, except your relation to the teacher would become worse. So, stuff you do outside school would carry over to school, but the consequences wouldn't be the same.

Because this example is so great, I will also use it to show how generalizing is bad:
Say the place outside school was a popular gathering place for the students, and the teacher would know this. He would assume that everyone is there, so next day in school he mentions that he is disappointed because all students are unfriendly towards him, even if a part of the class haven't ever been to the place. Also, some students might have been doing something else, so they were falsely accused.

I don't feel like I am being rude towards new members, so some times when someone says that "the people on IRC are morons" I feel falsely accused. However, if I'm rightly accused for doing something I need to be able to accept it. I'm guessing others are feeling like this as well.

None of my comments were aimed at anyone particular, and the examples are made up by me (that's why they are silly). I would also appreciate if you didn't quote me as "people on IRC" either.

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We are not talking about how new members get picked on in the irc..... we are talking about how most of the members who pick on new member are from the irc.