I agree fully with what ipad said
here
Discrate, your agruments don't hold up imo...
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Originally posted by Discrate
The skit that was performed was meant to be humerous, it is a parody of the jackson 5. What colour are the jackson 5? black, so they wore black wigs and black face paint, i fail to see how that's racist. If they the skit was about parodying black people then that would be pushing the line.
Contradicting.
First you say it is a parody (which _is_ taking the piss out of people or things). Then you say the J5 are black. So, yes, they DO parodying black people, no?!
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Originally posted by Discrate
But the funniest thing about this all is that 3 of the performers are actually indian and 2 others are lebanese. Oh the irony.
What irony? As ipad said, that doens't matter at all. Even a black guy painting his face black (in that same manner) and putting a black wig on can be on the border of racism depending on the context.
Irony would be the fact that the guy playing MJ is a plastic churgeon.
Racism is the act of insulting _a_ race, knowingly or not. It absolutely doesn't matter what race the racist has. But from what I've read about these matters in past threads you seem to have a different idea of what racism is or can be.
But most wrong argument which doesn't make any sense at all imo is:
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Originally posted by Discrate
Anyway, as i see it, if you take offence to someone saying something about your race then you are pretty much saying you are ashamed of your race. For example, If a black person came up to me and said "Your a white dog" I would in no way take offence to this and would piss myself with laughter. But if it was the other way around and i said that to a black person, they would take huge offence to it. That basically says that they are ashamed of there race, and they think that there race is bad.
That makes absolutely no sense at all imho. "Ashamed"?? If you take huge offence to it when someone insults you because of your race, how on earth would that mean that you're ashamed or not of your own race then???? I fail to see the logic here. On the contrary, I would say they would be proud of their race.
And if you laugh a comment like "white dog" away, you indeed either aren't insulted by it and ignorent to such comments, or you don't know they actually insulted you with a racist comment. I dunno what the worst of the two is...
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Originally posted by Discrate
It seems political correctness has been imprinted into peoples brains already. Automatically when they see someone wearing black face paint they think it's racist.
As someone said already there is a time and place for most things. Putting pure black paint on your face like that, together with such a wig to portray a 'typical' black person is the _exact_ characteristical image people used decades ago to redicule black people. If you do not understand that then it is maybe time to brush up on your world history.
I have seen a lot of performances where non-black people dress up as black people and all are done in a tastefull manner, and none looked like those performers shown on that video. So, yes you can dress up as a black person, why not, but do it in a tastefull manner (the guys on that video weren't that distastefull imo though, I've seen far worse too). And even exaggerating it can be done in a tastefull and funny manner without resorting to such a typical image. Although I'm sure/hope it wasn't their intention to insult, that particular image in the context to portray black people has a big and very sensitive history though.
Thus:
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Originally posted by Discrate
Automatically when they see someone wearing black face paint they think it's racist.
No, not automatically at all. But when they put black paint and a wig like that in the context to portray black people, then yes it can.
Saying that shows you don't know or fail to understand from where that image comes from. And thus jumping like that on the people who say something about it only shows that you don't know that particular history and/or the big impact it had and maybe still has in some parts of the world. So you realy realy should look up from where and when that exact image (pure black paint on the face and big afro wig) comes from and for what it was used in what circumstances in the past.
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Originally posted by Discrate
There is no debate on whether blackface was appropriate, because it was appropriate.
Nope it was not, at least not in such a manner. There are far less insulting ways of dressing up as a black person without using such a typical image, and still being funny and parodying.
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Originally posted by Discrate
They were taking the piss, but not out of the jackson 5, out of themselfs. That's the whole point of the segment. People come and perform things and usually make fools of themselfs and they win prizes.
Isn't doing a parody 'taking the piss out' of something. So, now you're saying they are not 'taking the piss' out of the J5? This is the opposite of what you said in your first post, quote:
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Originally posted by Discrate
The skit that was performed was meant to be humerous, it is a parody of the jackson 5.
Which it indeed was... (but on the same time insulting towards others)
Whether or not they make a fool of themselfs doing the parody is a mute point though.
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Anyways and again, if you fail to see what the fuzz is about and why it can be seen as insulting and being racism, then you should realy look up from where that exact image comes from and study some American history (especially the American entertainment history).
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