Wow.. Some nice support going on here.. Even some of the "big" guys vote for yes!!!
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To name those that support until now, notice some of them being very respectable users of this forum and are "important members"...
-rafy-, Anubis, jren207, Juzzi, lp15, may73alliance, Melon, Mike2, monster.rat, Penderrin, Purity, Tasha, traxor, ~INVASION~
And those against it:
raceprouk, Tochjo, -dt-
I know this doesn't make this right, but if such a fair deal of users agreeing on this one then why don't listen the users?... It is thus those people that make sure there is a board, without all these users there would be no reason for a board right? We want democracy...
(That sentece should properly not have been there...)... Hopefully WDZ or Patchou would drop by this thread and see it, comment on it...
.. Maybe someone with more contact to the them could give them a hint to drop by?...
Anyways....
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Originally posted by Millenium_edition
sorry, but if it's just because you couldn't be arsed, then you shoul set up your own forums and let people register there. this still remains a help forum and plugin threads are tolerated but not part of the core of the forum.
I just set this up in a few mins... I will have a domain ready during the next few days and the forum will be build properly, I just did a quick setup of the shit...
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CyBeRDuDe's MsgPlus! Plugins Forum
Anyways, would be nice if I didn't have to do this and host this on my crappy connection... Hopefully I will be able to move it sometime....
Edit: I hadn't seen your post...
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
The inital idea is good, and from some point of view (from the regular member who knows what is where and what should go where) it seems a nice idea and something which will solve many problems...
However.... In practice, even now I constantly report posts which are placed in wrong forums, double threads, and most of all linking to already existing threads. The situatie as it is now, is that people don't search anymore, cba to search, and that even many cba to make proper threads in the proper forums.
Dividing the forums a bit more isn't going to solve this, on the contrary, it is going to get worse. eg: the plugins section: your suggestions of subforums for this is nice, but will not work in practice. Even now, many plugin threads start by a suggestion, evolve into a release of a beta, and end in support for this plugin. Nobody (at least the majority) is going to bother to split this all up. And if they did, many questions or other important info is going to be cross posted. And nobody is going to bother reading 2-3 threads about the same plugin to get info before they ask in a 4th thread... In fact these things (and the not reading of other related threads) happens right now already.
You gave many examples of what can be done, and in a certain way I like it. But on the other hand they aren't pratical... untill everybody learns how to make proper threads, what to place where, etc... etc...
Your suggestion is excellent for a database kind of thing where only a handfull of people can place stuff in it, not for a major site. You said: look at MSNFanatic, well, there are many, and I mean many, threads in different subsections, yet they are about the same subject... MSNFanatic has exactly the same problems we have here, and they do have all kind of subsections (where, tbh, a n00b wouldn't see the tree in the forest when he visists the first times)
However... all this said... I could see an addition of 1 or 2 new subforums and a decent split up/ordening of the subforums in "Messenger & Technolgoy" though. But this is already heavly discussed before. As for the Messenger Plus! related forums, I think there are more then enough (sub)subforums already, more will only confuse the visitor even more...
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Originally posted by (CyBeRDuDe)
And if by a chance you take a look at the poll results you would notice (Even it's not yet a big number, but gives a general idea) that 11 out of 13 people have vote the "BIG YES"... This only shows that i'm not the only one that wants this to happen, and not just a part of the community but a GREAT part of the community agrees with me!... This has to say something!!!
not much tbh (like so many polls) because, and this is going to sound even more arrogant but blah, I wonder how many people of the ones who voted can see the big picture of this and can imagine/know how it will work in practice and understand the full implications of something like this....
Don't get me wrong though, like I said, I like the idea too, if we lived in a perfect world... only in the real world, it will not be practical and isn't going to solve a thing, in fact it is going to make matters worse. It isn't as easy as it looks from the first point of view...
So my vote is:
"I like the theoretical idea, but in practice matters will get worse, so no"
See this is the answer I was hoping(not hoping) to get... This has information in it, and explains why it should not in a reasonable manners...
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But I still can't see why we wouldn't be able to split the Plugins forum in sections/subs?... Just the 3?... Devoloper/Beta Releases(With the additonal text "This forum is not for Helping questions), Help/Errors etc(With the additional text "Here you can ask the community about your problems with a specific plugin etc..") and Requests/Is it possible(With the additional text "This is not intended for requests on extra features to a plugin but requests for the plugin creators to create a specific plugin, and to ask weather your idea is possible or not").. Or something similar..
You are correct that making lots of subs probably won't do good.. But I really think it would help SOOO much to just split a few of them in a few subs...
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