I've edited my post even before readin yours, but:
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Originally posted by gif83
coherent is not really enough for the definition since a telesales person could be talking down to the phone to you coherently.
coherent means the individual parts need to be in some kind of relationship (defined by the creator or beholder) to the other parts and to the whole... If there isn't a relationship, then you have individual hearable stuff, nothing more...
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Originally posted by gif83
you say artform is subjective... but so is music...
That's indeed exactly what my definition says, see the words "for the creator or beholder". If it wasn't something subjective that line wouldn't be there.
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Originally posted by gif83
and it's not up to the creator to define... or else music wouldn't be alive.
Music doesn't need to be alive at all. I can create something and call it music. For me it is music and since music is subjective, this is were it ends without discussion...
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Originally posted by gif83
the sound of the end of school bell may be music to many pupils' ears
indeed. But now you're using the word "music" as something else, as a metaphor and not literally as a definition requires; The bell may sound like "crazy" also (metaphor), is the bell therefore crazy (definition of crazy)? Or: a table can look to me as a "car". Surely the definition of a table doesn't include anything related to a car....
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