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Originally posted by CookieRevised
for me:
Music is a combination of things you can hear which the creator or beholder thinks of it as coherent.
I did
don't get me wrong, i actually like this definition. But your choice for using non-subjective adjectives is a little puzzling since this definition of yours is subjective anyway (your personal opinion).
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
reread what I said... let me say it in a different way:
1) for him it may be coherent, while it is garbage en simply mumbling to me.
2) No it is not music for me as this hasn't anything to do with what I call "sounds".
3) Yes it could be music for me if I was his boss...
The definition I gave is perfectly valid...
it definitely makes more sense now that i've read the edited definition (creator or beholder)
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btw definitions become a bit confusing when you require to define the words used to define it (for example the use of your definition of "sounds")
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
As I said in my previous post: I edited the post right after I wrote it, before I read your reply... And creators have opinions of their own too. even by adding "creator" alone, it makes it subjective already...
well i WAS trying to make the point that it was subjective
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
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Originally posted by mwe99
Google defines it as "organized sound"
my point exactly... organized = coherent (although I added the subjective part to it also). Without it you don't have music. All the other things are irrelevant...
i actually prefer the use of coherent seeing as organised implies some sort of order whereas i believe music requires no order in sound. coherent in this case kinda means understood (sorry can't find a better word right now to express what i mean).
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
This is by no means a definition of painfull, although it can be used as an example of what it is... And if your sentence was a definition in itself, then it's wrong, cause music isn't always pleasurable...
once again you have picked dodgy examples. you assume that pain is only physical. pain can be defined as the grievance in this case.. and that example you gave is in fact far more similar to mine. the bell IS the thing that inflicts the pain upon the pupil.
you say it is wrong but yet you just agreed before that definitions could be subjective. most metaphors of this sort are subjective but generally understood (actually they are objective derived from the subjective but that's another off topic discussion).
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Originally posted by multimillion2k
In conclusion:
Music is music. (dooooooolce!)
i like it... sweet sweet music! that's why we have the word music... so we can express ourselves without the need of the "definition". the most useful words are words that cannot really be described with other words.
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