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Originally posted by Nitro
Definetly not, what you do as a student outside school, isn't in general the school's business.
I like to differ.... Schools, just like youth movements or other organisations someone is in, have a big part to play into raising and teaching proper moral values. This goes also for outside the school gates.
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Originally posted by saralk
well Internet Bullying is a crime, and what they were doing was internet bullying. The headmaster could potentially have filed a proper complaint and maybe have them charged, but they decided to suspend them instead.
So I say, justified.
NEXT CASE!
500% agreed
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Originally posted by Voldemort
NOT unless that they actually did something against them..
Bullying and threatening shouldn't be tolerated.
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Originally posted by Voldemort
I once created an email with a teachers name, fooled around with some people... no insults, no nothing... just chatting....
Which is extremely wrong (and even a crime in some countries; identity theft. You may not see it like this, but it is...)
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Originally posted by Voldemort
i don't they can punish you IN SCHOOL for something you did outside of it... for example as if i egged a house and instead of the police taking me over my school expelled me automatically... unfair...
They have every right to do this, and they should.
Schools, just like youth movements or other organisations someone is in, have a big part to play into raising and teaching proper moral values. This goes also for outside the school gates.
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Originally posted by .Lou
Well, having been part of a previous issue regarding the internet, and off school property stuff happening, I personally believe this to be unjustified. The principal had all the rights to sue the students, and etc. However, they did nothing wrong at school, and thus definitely should not be denied schooling for what happens outside school. If the comments had been posted while the students were inside the school, or using school computers, then the suspension would have been justified.
Hiding behind the fact that school equipment is used or not isn't the issue. The issue is the bad moral values of those students. And that is why they were punished.
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Originally posted by .Lou
I'm quite sure that the school principal (the story having made it on the news) is going to regret the decision because parents are going to get angry most likely.
I'm puzzled at how easy this is twisted around. Tbh, the parents should be mad on their children for what they did. When I do something wrong, it is quite normal that my parents would be mad about it.
Also, there are more and more parents who are ignorant towards such stuff, and schools do need to take over the 'raising' and teaching moral values.
I stress on this because it seems that many times youngsters only see schools as a needed unpleasant thing where you learn some facts. While actually schools have a major huge responsebility on the upbringing of youngsters and teaching them how to behave, what is good and what is wrong, etc.... School isn't only about learning some facts which you read in a book.
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Originally posted by Nagamasa
We have the right of speech don't we?
This doesn't have a single thing to do with "freedom of speech".
Why is "freedom of speech" always used to justify insulting? That is just as stupid as censoring on its own.
There is also something like common sense and having respect for others and opinion of others. And an opinion does not equal bullying, nor threatening. Freedom of speech is used way too much to justify things like this.
"freedom of speech" does not mean you can get away with bullying, threatening, insulting or whatever. It means you can state your opinion in a civil manner and differ from opinion withoug fearing punishment. It doesn't mean you can start insulting everybody and disrespect people/cultures.
Nor should "freedom of speech"
ever be used to justify that.
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Originally posted by Nagamasa
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Originally posted by MeEtc
No, this has nothing to do with school.
True, but the thing is, the school is allowed to be invovled when it risks the safety of its staff and students, and in this case, the moral safety for its principal.
true to that too
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Originally posted by lizard.boy
I'm gonna wander waaay off topic here, but none the less.
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indeed, since what has been punished is not the fact that they discussed the banning of electronical equipment in the school. And that is apparently what some misunderstand about this issue.
What has been punished are the plain racist, sexist, immoral and severe threatening which happened. It wasn't a discussion at all anymore, even in the smallest sense...
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Bullying and threatening always has been a big problem. And one of the first steps to erase it is to punish those who do it. And this starts almost always in the school itself. Bullying and threatening doesn't end once you step outside the school gates, hence why this shouldn't be ignored either. The school has every right, heck, even the duty, to punish such students.
I also think many people really underestimate what has been said on that group and really underestimate the implications or even the underlying thinking patterns, which are plain immoral and wrong. And underestimate what bullying and/or threatening means or can cause.
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