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Originally posted by linx05
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
I do not see how trying to protect someone's income/property is wrong.
Me neither. Except when they start using tactics which prevent us even watching the DVD I bought with our own money on our own computer or DVD player. There are a couple of protections that are so mangled and illegal (spec wise) that DVD players and computers choke.
If there are such protections than don't buy that specific edition, but buy one which doesn't have that restrictions. Such restrictions are almost always written on the box...
If you buy something which states 'can't be played on the pc' and you play it on a pc, it is your own fault, harsh, but true...
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Originally posted by linx05
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
And it starts with the 'little guys', namely you and me. How many of the people using mIRC actually payed for it for example?
This is a completely different circumstance. People make cracks and keygens so that users do not have to pay for the program. Now, people make programs designed to remove the protection on their DVDs so they can back them up and do what they feel to them.
This is related though. It does start with things like using a keygen. It are such actions why people/companies search for ways to prevent it. It are those things which make it look 'normal' to copy stuff and use illegal materials. People now don't even consider it bad to use serialz. It is this state of mind which is not 'normal' at all... But it is done on such a large scale that many people don't even think about it anymore and don't see what they do is wrong. And then they complain that companies try to protect their income....
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Originally posted by linx05
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
It are those 'little guys' who copy and distribute stuff thinking they do nothing wrong, yet it are those very same 'little guys' who complain when a company is trying todo something against it...
We have a right to backup our DVDs. We have a right to change whatever we want with them. I remove all the ads and crap from my backups. We also have a right to watch the movie I bought on anything in my house.
You actually do not have every right. And certainly do not have any right to alter stuff, even for you own use!!!
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Originally posted by linx05
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Originally posted by CookieRevised
If you want to do something against it or stand up against it, you should start by standing up against your friends and those other 'little guys' who copy stuff, use serialz, warez, cracks, etc.
If you stop copying, using serials, cracks, etc, the 'big companies' wouldn't have any reason to try to prevent illegal distribution...
You're going to tell me they would stop putting on protections once pirating DVDs ceased? Tell me another one 
. One of the benifits of removing the protection on a HD DVD is that you can watch it on a monitor and video card which is not DHCP compatible. Otherwise you would have to go and buy a new monitor and card just to watch the movies on your computer. And that would cost a bit, especially after just having bought a HD DVD reader.
Then don't buy such a DVD if you can't watch it.... or don't complain or don't accuse the companies to screw you. It is clearly stated on the box that it is a HD DVD, requiring DHCP equipment. If you don't have that, buy the normal edition...
This is almost the same as me complaining to a company who makes Mac software for not letting me run it on a PC...
And yes, if nobody would copy stuff anymore (which will never happen of course), then there is no reason for the big companies to put money into developping new copy protections...
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Originally posted by linx05
In short, the way these companies treat its customers is absurd. Not everyone goes around stealing just because they can. Long live copy protection removal I say. It fills in the holes which the company cannot forfill.
If you don't do anything illegal, you also would have no reason to remove a copy protection in the first place.
There are some copy protections which are not that good, user-friendly-wise. But those are not used anymore. The issue, as I see it, is about the general state of mind "there is nothing wrong in copying and spreading stuff' and/or "it wont hurt anybody if I crack that program".
IMO, companies don't even do enough to fight illegal copying. And I would love to see them sueing eveybody and making copy protections even harder and what not. I have absolutely no problem with that; I buy my DVD if I like a movie, I don't need to download a crappy bootleg.
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