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Originally posted by rav0

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Originally posted by Chestah

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Originally posted by Verte
With regards the IR laws (this is becoming an interesting thread!)

The fairness test:

The best fairness test is the employee. Why not let them decide if they would like to give up benefit X for reward Y? That's what the old system was.

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I disagree with the employee "fairness test". How can something be fair if its decided by one of the two parties which obviously has a bias towards decisions benefiting themselves? There has to be a "test" or at least an approach to deciding whats fair - the IR system has to be fair on both employers and employees offering both incentives for employers to employ workers and offering employees some flexibility in the process as well.

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It has to be made by both people concerned, and both people will have an interest in benefiting themselves. They should be able to decide what's fair on their own, however an external review can help employees recieve more consideration.

Verte, under the old system employees were not allowed to give up certain benefits for other rewards.

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I would suggest, if any party disagrees, no agreement should take place. An employee should be able to get all the benefits required to be offered under the previous laws, and they can decide whether or not they stay based on the pay.

Employees certainly were allowed to give up benefits. Few employers offered a system for doing so is all. In Western Australia, many miners were on AWAs before the new IR laws. The difference today is that employers can mandate them for new employees. All they have done is remove choice from workers.

edit: fixed splelling.